What the hell is the front office doing???

[JDLAW]

You make it sound so easy. I'm sure they tried to do better than Warrick and Childress. Not to mention obviously the free agent crop was different, and our cap situation was different. Sarver has definitely made issues and so has our Front Office at any given time but our team had enough talent at different times. We just didn't get it done(and had some unfortunate luck)

Sure Nash left but the Suns didn't want him back.

The bottom line is the Suns were never this aggressive in bringing in talent while Nash was here, which is why he left. The second he leaves, they go full force. It's BS, very difficult to like them after they did this. Feels like they back stabbed Steve, not the other way around like some are saying here.

That is your bottom line. Neither you nor I have knowledge about what was going on in the Suns front office. The Suns chased a championship all the way up to the time Amare left. They were aggressive in bringing in talent - sometimes good sometimes not and eventually like most teams that do that their window closes and whatever talent left dissipates. If it makes you feel better, you certainly can rant all you want about the front office, but I think it makes you look juvenile and ignorant.

[cmw17]

You make it sound so easy. I'm sure they tried to do better than Warrick and Childress. Not to mention obviously the free agent crop was different, and our cap situation was different. Sarver has definitely made issues and so has our Front Office at any given time but our team had enough talent at different times. We just didn't get it done(and had some unfortunate luck)

Sure Nash left but the Suns didn't want him back.

The bottom line is the Suns were never this aggressive in bringing in talent while Nash was here, which is why he left. The second he leaves, they go full force. It's BS, very difficult to like them after they did this. Feels like they back stabbed Steve, not the other way around like some are saying here.

That is your bottom line. Neither you nor I have knowledge about what was going on in the Suns front office. The Suns chased a championship all the way up to the time Amare left. They were aggressive in bringing in talent - sometimes good sometimes not and eventually like most teams that do that their window closes and whatever talent left dissipates. If it makes you feel better, you certainly can rant all you want about the front office, but I think it makes you look juvenile and ignorant.

That's a joke! the Suns were not aggressive in bringing in any talent during Nash's latest Suns contract, if you don't see that, it's not even worth the time to debate with you. The second he left they went crazy. Had they shown this kind of aggression in bringing in talent, he would have agreed to stay. That's all he ever asked for and he gave them way more chances than he ever should have. They are lucky he even re-signed a few years ago. Everyone was saying he was crazy for doing that because the Suns have proven that they were unwilling to bring in talent to surround Nash.

[ATTL]

They signed Beasley and Goran while striking out on Gordon. They were able to make these crazy signings because the Suns finally had enough capspace to make the attempt.

[cmw17]

How did they back stab steve? You realize without any of the big contract we have had the past few years ( including Steve's) it opens up more cap space? Really the only time they COULD bring in talent was the last 2 years or so. Otherwise we had our money tied up in some combination of Nash, Q, Marion, Amare, Shaq, Diaw, Barbosa. We haven't had significant cap room during Nash's tenure here with the exception of when Amare left. And yes that offseason was a bust but I would put that more on the lack of a real Front Office then a willingness to get talent.

I think the biggest issue people have with Nash now is that not only did he go the Lakers but that he asked the Suns to have facilitate a sign and trade so he could get pain AND be on the Lakers.

I personally don't care about Nash leaving, I think it was LONG overdue. This should of happened 2 years ago at least.

Ever since Nash came to the Suns, one by one, the Suns lost all their star players - Joe Johnson, Marion, Amare, etc. They have given up or even sold important draft picks, some of which turned into stars. They have turned a Championship contender into a lottery team. Nash was ridiculously loyal, even though they did nothing to deserve this loyalty. He said that he went to management and they told them they are going in a different direction and rebuilding. So obviously they don't want him, so he leaves. And idiot Suns fans are hating on him now.

Ok, so I expected they were gonna go younger and try to rebuild. So, they Start signing veterans like Scola now??? WTF??? They're handing out max contracts? bringing in Beasley, signing Dragic to a big contract, getting rid of Childress? My God, where was all this when he was here? Ok, Dragic and Nash's contract are almost a wash, but what about everything else??? They totally back-stabbed him. If they were this aggressive when he was here, we could have been championship contenders for years.

[Phystic]

How did they back stab steve? You realize without any of the big contract we have had the past few years ( including Steve's) it opens up more cap space? Really the only time they COULD bring in talent was the last 2 years or so. Otherwise we had our money tied up in some combination of Nash, Q, Marion, Amare, Shaq, Diaw, Barbosa. We haven't had significant cap room during Nash's tenure here with the exception of when Amare left. And yes that offseason was a bust but I would put that more on the lack of a real Front Office then a willingness to get talent.

I think the biggest issue people have with Nash now is that not only did he go the Lakers but that he asked the Suns to have facilitate a sign and trade so he could get pain AND be on the Lakers.

I personally don't care about Nash leaving, I think it was LONG overdue. This should of happened 2 years ago at least.

Ever since Nash came to the Suns, one by one, the Suns lost all their star players - Joe Johnson, Marion, Amare, etc. They have given up or even sold important draft picks, some of which turned into stars. They have turned a Championship contender into a lottery team. Nash was ridiculously loyal, even though they did nothing to deserve this loyalty. He said that he went to management and they told them they are going in a different direction and rebuilding. So obviously they don't want him, so he leaves. And idiot Suns fans are hating on him now.

Ok, so I expected they were gonna go younger and try to rebuild. So, they Start signing veterans like Scola now??? WTF??? They're handing out max contracts? bringing in Beasley, signing Dragic to a big contract, getting rid of Childress? My God, where was all this when he was here? Ok, Dragic and Nash's contract are almost a wash, but what about everything else??? They totally back-stabbed him. If they were this aggressive when he was here, we could have been championship contenders for years.

I'm not defending out Front Office at all. They(being different people at different times) have made plenty of mistakes. Again Hindsight is 20/20. Did you know Rondo was going to be an All-Star? Would he have been had he stayed with the Suns? Gortat wouldn't of been the same player had he stayed with us. He got to play with the best big man in the game and developed a chip on his shoulder being stuck on the bench. Sure the Deng/Iggy draft debacle was a terrible mistake but stuff happens. Other than that who did we lose? Rudy Fernandez? Sergio Rodriguez? Nate Robinson? I know selling the draft picks was a mistake but at the time it had some reason behind it. D'uhtoni never played rookies(or even more than an 8 man rotation with starters getting 35+) and we were at the cap so why pay rookies when we don't need to. It was a shortsighted decision but , again, there was some reason to it.

Other than the Joe Johnson mistake(which Sarver really screwed up but he was a young younger who just dropped MILLIONS up on MILLIONS on the team and Nash/Q) I don't see what you're complaining about. Marion was constantly whining and our team wasn't able to break through so they tried something new. Now whether it was the right chance to take is up for debate but it's quite normal for teams to break up a team that hasn't gotten over the hump for a few years. Amare was a BLESSING. He just isn't the same player he used to be and his contract will be a HUGE burden. The fact that he didn't even have enough faith in his health to take basically the same contract with less of a guarantee speaks volumes.

You act like our team hasn't made an effort to spend money when that is really not the case. If I'm not mistaken our team has had one of the higher payrolls in the league during Nash's tenure here. Again, if you want to argue HOW they spent it fine. But don't act like they haven't tried to make moves to improve our team because they have. And how do you know what avenues were open to them? How do you know they didn't look into countless trades or try to sign better free agents only to realize they couldn't afford it or they didn't want to come here? You don't know what's happened between closed doors.

I don't see what's so hard to understand, Scola was a STEAL at the contract we got him at. And he's not an asset we can use in future trade negotiations. And his third year is basically not guaranteed. To get a 15 and 7 big man for 4M a year is pretty damn solid. I agree a 32 year old isn't ideal for a rebuilding team but it's also not a hinderance. What's wrong with them handing out a Max contract? Sure he would of been overpaid and it was a very risky move but they are trying to rebuild quickly with quality young players. Let's see dropping Childress last season wouldn't of done us any good because we still wouldn't of had cap space to do anything. And Dragic was available due to Nash being gone. I'd much rather have a young possibly up and coming PG for 7-8M then a 38 year old PG for 10-12M. Sure Nash is still a very good player but let's be honest it hasn't worked for 8 years it's not going to magically start working now. So it was time to rebuild.

I still don't see how anybody backstabbed anybody. It was amicable. The team and player wanted to move on. The Suns were EXTREMELY generous and professional by helping him do what he wanted to do. Do you realize we traded our best player to our most hated rival as a thank you to him? As for "Idiot Suns fans hating on him" again I refer to my explanation before. People don't care that he left. People care that it was to the Lakers and that he wanted us to facilitate it. If he wanted to stay by his kids, that's fine. If he wants to play for a championship, that's fine. But he shouldn't expect to get paid like he's playing for the Raptors/Suns(10+ M) and still get to play for a top contender with 3 All-Stars. He wanted his cake and to eat it too. That's the only issue.

[Sun Scorched]

They signed Beasley and Goran while striking out on Gordon. They were able to make these crazy signings because the Suns finally had enough capspace to make the attempt.

It really is this simple.

[rsavaj]

I will say this....we've had an interesting offseason. Not trying to keep Nash or Hill but then going after Scola doesn't make much sense to me. I think we overpaid Beasley, which doesn't make sense to me. I'm really, really glad we got Goran, because I am skeptical about Marshall.

I don't think we're a playoff team though. I think a lot of people are suffering from ex-girlfriend syndrome, and we're all kind of saying "eh, Steve really wasn't THAT great....we'll be fine without him."

We really, really won't. Not this season, at least. We now have a roster full of guys who haven't really played together at all. It's going to take them a lot of time to learn each other's games, and I think the expectations for this team are just way, way too high. Beasley isn't going to turn into an efficient 20 ppg scorer. Markieff won't turn into LaMarcus Aldridge. We still don't have a shooting guard.

We're making some interesting moves, but never confuse activity with achievement. Nash and Hill's absences will be felt pretty heavily both on the court and in the lockerroom.

[DonaldSanders]

rsavaj hits the nail on the head. Goran isn't anywhere near Steve in terms of on the court and off the court impact. Who on the suns is going to tell Beasley he's taking bad shots besides Gentry? I get the whole veteran presence thing but Scola isn't going to provide it. Good signing (Scola) but there are some seriously delusional Goran Dragic fans on this board. I'm sure Gortat is sobbing in a bathtub with a bottle of wine right now

No way the suns get close to the playoffs. And the FO was nice to Steve by sign/trading him to Lakers, they didn't screw him, they just continue their bungling which destroyed Steve's chances at a championship with the Suns.

[collidingNeurons]

the reason scola was a mistake isnt because of how much he is paid or what or what he cant do on the court still, it's because he hinders the development of morris and beastly, the only way any of this turns into anything good is one of the of beasly marshall or morris have to become major contributors and it cant happen without playing time. Dragic is what he is, he may improve a bit more, but we arent goign to see him suddenly transform himself into an elite point guard.. he's an above average starting calibre pg, people with top 5 or 10 pgs in the league expectations are going to be majorly disappointed, i think


the team is currently full of B level talent in a league where you need multiple A levels to compete. I seriously see no stars currently on the team or even anyone that individually would scare an opposing team. my prediction is 8-12 in the west next year, and unless we get some significant upgrades around there again the following year

[No-Man]

we're going to be 10-15 in the west and 23-30 in the league for sure, I mean look at the roster, even the Kings are better

[RunDogGun]

the team is currently full of B level talent in a league where you need multiple A levels to compete. I seriously see no stars currently on the team or even anyone that individually would scare an opposing team. my prediction is 8-12 in the west next year, and unless we get some significant upgrades around there again the following year

Denver used their B level talent to take a three allstar player team to a seventh game. It really all depends on how the team is run, and how well they work together. They had a ton of injuries to those B level players, and often leaned on some C level guys to get it done. I am not saying this will work for every team, but it can be done.

[ATTL]

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