OFFICIAL:I **** HATE DOLAN, THIS ORG, MELO, JR, ETC THREAD

[AllanHoustonFan]

Raptor fan here,

I've heard some people make comments that Dolan's ego played a huge part in Lin not being back. I don't know the situation with Lin and Dolan so I wasn't sure what that meant. Can someone explain this to me?

James Dolan is a guy who is big on loyalty. He was butthurt because Lin went back and got a bigger contract from what was previously agreed upon with the Houston Rockets.

[AmazingJason]

Raptor fan here,

I've heard some people make comments that Dolan's ego played a huge part in Lin not being back. I don't know the situation with Lin and Dolan so I wasn't sure what that meant. Can someone explain this to me?

No we can't really because it is unfathomable how the owner has consistently acted in bad faith. All we know is he holds huge grudges and will keep players because they are his pets and will let better players go.

Dolan and the Knicks management seem to have a particular way of doing business and if you don't cater to them, they will hold it against you. I am almost certain that if Lin fired his agent and went with CAA - like Woodson - that there would not have been any of this drama and controversy whatsoever. To me, it's more telling that Lin has stuck with his original agent - whose only high-profile client is Jeremy - through everything, even when going with a more prestigious firm.

[towelie]

James Dolan must be deeply mentally ill, to a clinical extent. No other explanation for this.

He is probably still taking instructions from Isiah. That's a sick person.

You know, I've actually defended Dolan in the past. I think you have too. He had his faults. He was stubbornly loyal to Isaiah Thomas, held grudges against players/coaches like Sprewell or Larry Brown because of their off-the-court shenanigans.

But we could always count on him for one thing -- he was willing to spend, and a lot of fans took that for granted.

Now we can't even count on him for that. We're the most valuable team in the NBA according to Forbes (despite not being a winner since the 70's). We have the highest ticket prices. We have a fanbase that spans the entire country to the point that we can take over road arenas. Yet now our owner doesn't want to pay for the most marketable player they've had in decades. smh

[K_ick_God]

Sadly you'll see Knicks fans get excited when Felton has a few good regular-season games. Guess what? Even if his entire regular season is good, the guy has ban horrible (not bad, he's been horrible) in the last two playoff runs. He was atrocious with Denver most recently and before that, Jameer Nelson burned his ass and he was terrible.

He is not very talented, so the playoffs expose him and he plays particularly poorly.

ZERO HOPE.

[AmazingJason]

James Dolan must be deeply mentally ill, to a clinical extent. No other explanation for this.

He is probably still taking instructions from Isiah. That's a sick person.

All of the major players are connected. CAA...Melo...JR...Woodson...SAS...Dolan...Isiah...Grunwald

Think about it this way. We only got a tiny sample of the negative quotes from Melo and JR; if you don't think there hasn't been a ton of smack talk thrown at Lin behind-the-scenes, then you don't understand real life. Most of us fans were sitting here coming up with ideal lineups like Nash/Lin, Lin/Kidd, Lin/Felton...when in reality, Lin was most likely not an active FO target...they were going hard after Nash and Felton to replace Lin, not to play alongside him.

[Invictus]

**** dolan. I've been loyal to the Knick franchise for 20 years and will continue to be so but James Dolan can go **** himself.

His personal grudges trump all basketball responsibility to his staff, and more importantly, his patrons who pay to watch the games. So what if lin may be a bust. He did more last season than felton has done since he was traded at the 2011 trade deadline. And then, they could have traded Lin for some key assets to improve the team, if they wanted to. I wouldn't have even been mad at that.

But to impose some stupid grudge, regardless of the cost to the team itself and it's on-court performance/potential. Good God...this man's stupidity, idiocy, incompetence, feeling of entitlement, and ignorance have left me catatonic in regards to this team. I mean, 20% of the team is at or almost 40 years old. 66% of the point guard position is over 35. We have a 3 year window with amar'e, tyson, and melo, and dolan intentionally blew a chance to retain some sort of flexibility by keeping lin as an asset.

Owner doesn't care about winning. He cares about satisfying grudges, and fielding a team that can make the playoffs. The pocket book is bottomless as long as the first condition is satisfied, and the second goal is met. championship is just some plateau he'd like to get to, but only so he can pull down his pants and **** on everyone who ever crossed him.

[omerome]

I'm surprised no one from the Knicks orgazniation has come out and addressed their decision. What kind of accountability is this? This is how you treat your fans? This wasn't just some small decision, it was a pretty big one.

[Invictus]

I'm surprised no one from the Knicks orgazniation has come out and addressed their decision. What kind of accountability is this? This is how you treat your fans? This wasn't just some small decision, it was a pretty big one.

i am not surprised at all. The gravity of this choice is so idiotic that they are struggling to come up with a response. And even if they do have a response, there is nothing they can do to stem the firestorm that has already started. They'll wait a few days and then say some empty statement about how they are committed to success and attaining an NBA championship, but that after great deliberation and careful thought, they didn't think their best point guard on the roster as of the end of the season was conducive to winning a title. And instead they brought back a "proven" veteran in Felton, and Jason Kidd, who has championship experience. They should then take the opportunity to admit that Kidd will mentor no one, and instead spend an increasing amount of time drinking heavily.

Puke.

[kakaman]

Pringles and Black Mamba can't believe it either.

Lin's departure a surprise to ex-coach, teammates

MANCHESTER, England (AP) — Mike D'Antoni was there for the start of Linsanity, Kobe Bryant on the wrong end of its greatest highlight.
Neither imagined next season opening without Jeremy Lin on the New York Knicks.

"No. Not when the kicker was they can match. I'm thinking, for sure," said former Knicks coach D'Antoni on Wednesday before the U.S. Olympic team practiced. "Even when I was there, well at least we got him, we don't have to worry about him blowing up and us not being able to afford it."

But the Knicks ultimately decided they couldn't or wouldn't.

Lin became a Houston Rocket on Tuesday night when the Knicks refused to match a three-year deal worth about $25 million, ending a brief but amazing run as New York's point guard.

The Knicks had repeatedly said they planned to keep the restricted free agent, and Olympians Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler both believed they would.

"I know the Knicks organization wanted him back, I know his teammates wanted him back, I felt like Jeremy wanted to come back, but can't pass up what Houston threw out there," Chandler said.

D'Antoni, who gave Lin a chance to play in February, resigned a month and a half later when the Knicks were struggling. He remains a firm believer in the undrafted point guard from Harvard. Bryant had no choice but to become one after Lin scored a career-high 38 points, outplaying one of the NBA's biggest stars during a nationally televised victory over the Lakers.

"The plays that he was making, it didn't seem like he had too much of a difficulty making them. He seemed like he was pretty comfortable in making those plays and he was pretty consistent afterwards," Bryant said. "His numbers weren't 30 and 15 assists or whatever, but they were more than solid numbers. He can play, he's a very good player."

How good is impossible to predict, because Lin made just 25 starts before his season ended because of surgery to repair torn cartilage in his knee. His numbers were already falling by then, a combination of fatigue and a lesser role in the offense once Mike Woodson replaced D'Antoni, who is now an assistant coach on the U.S. Olympic team.

"I mean, I don't think nobody really has an idea what his ceiling is," Anthony said. "What he was able to do for that little stretch that he played before he got hurt, he was at the all-time high, from a game standpoint doing what he was able to do, averaging 20 something-plus points, almost 10 assists. I'm ready to see what's next."

He would have seen it in New York, but the third year of the contract, worth nearly $15 million, could have cost the Knicks more than double that in luxury tax payments.

"Houston threw something in the game that was kind of crazy," Anthony said.

It's possible Lin may never live up to the deal, but D'Antoni refuses to rule it out. And he won't accept the idea that Lin was only a creation of his high-scoring offensive system.

"First of all, I think that's not fair to anybody, I think especially not to Jeremy," he said. "For 20 games he was one of the best in the league and he was dominating from the headlines to even on the basketball court. So you can't discount that he'll never be able to do it, because not only did he do it, he did it at the highest level possible.

"So I'm happy for him, I think it's a great contract for him and Houston could find themselves a very, very, very good basketball player. At least he's going to be a good player. The guy's got quickness and determination, so he's going to be good. Now it depends on what level, nobody knows that, but I wouldn't bet against him."

[seren]

So Lakers are spending 90 million a season not including taxes. Miami is spending 83 million a year. Brooklyn just got a barely playoff team for 82 million a year. Orlando is spending 80 million a year.

None of these include taxes. And we can't afford Lin? Really?

[AmazingJason]

I'm surprised no one from the Knicks orgazniation has come out and addressed their decision. What kind of accountability is this? This is how you treat your fans? This wasn't just some small decision, it was a pretty big one.

i am not surprised at all. The gravity of this choice is so idiotic that they are struggling to come up with a response. And even if they do have a response, there is nothing they can do to stem the firestorm that has already started. They'll wait a few days and then say some empty statement about how they are committed to success and attaining an NBA championship, but that after great deliberation and careful thought, they didn't think their best point guard on the roster as of the end of the season was conducive to winning a title. And instead they brought back a "proven" veteran in Felton, and Jason Kidd, who has championship experience. They should then take the opportunity to admit that Kidd will mentor no one, and instead spend an increasing amount of time drinking heavily.

Puke.

Something telling was when a Knicks cabinet member admitted that he projected that Lin would be better than Felton the next 3 years.

I think what it came down to is that Lin wasn't a part of the club. He didn't have the backing of Melo, JR and Woodson...he didn't join CAA...he didn't use the Knicks publicist...he wasn't wanted here, unless we couldn't get anyone else.

[Nono]

By biggest worry right now is that Shumpert is probably going to be traded in the near future. We have a history now of trading away our young talents. It makes me sick.

[Jan_Sobieski]

By biggest worry right now is that Shumpert is probably going to be traded in the near future. We have a history now of trading away our young talents. It makes me sick.

This team hasnt won a ship without having at least one draft pick on the team.

[Hitman33]

I feel like someone died. The Knicks died. And my fan interest in them died.

A part of my fandom died with the Melo trade.

Now it's all go gone.

Even this forum, with the exception of this thread, has totally jumped the shark. Sad day.

[Fury]

I'm sports depressed

[TTorelli]

We overpaid on EVERY one of players for the past 10-15 years and the one player that actually shows flashes of potential we let go???

The NY Yankees pay a HUGE luxury tax bill each season and yet they still make a ton of money....which that's what it's all about right???

We were cool with paying $20 million in salary/tax for Lin's 3rd year but because of an additional $10 million we let him go???

MSG stock has already lost millions in the stock market over the past few days...and today it's DOWN when the rest of the market is UP

**** YOU DOLAN

[MR IB4TL]

Knicks without Lin still can become a defensive-minded power house in the East. The more important young guard is still on the roster - Iman Shumpert.

[NYK210]

You are a moron and your mother is a whore

Your words define you just fine.

[K_ick_God]

I feel like someone died. The Knicks died. And my fan interest in them died.

A part of my fandom died with the Melo trade.

Now it's all go gone.

Even this forum, with the exception of this thread, has totally jumped the shark. Sad day.

It's just a very bad day. Idiocy seems to have a permanent stranglehold on our team.

You'd have to go from fandom to fun-dumb to continue investing in this dysfunctionally clueless team.

[Fury]

I always attacked fans who stopped rooting for the team over trades, signings whatever. I never thought I'd see the day were I don't think I could root for the Knicks. It feels like when the games start, I'll be rooting against them out of spite, which is terrible, but also somewhat justified the way the team is ran and the way some of the players act (Kidd drunk driving wife beater, Raymond Felton never in shape, Melo dumb ass comments also sometimes not in shape, JR Smith a jackass). Why should I root for them? Cause they play in NY? I always thought that was a good reason but that does not replace the disdain I have for half the players on this team.

Blind loyalty is ridiculous to me now. I can't say I'll never be a Knick fan again but in three years maybe we start a new team, and I can get behind that. Lin will do well in Houston, and when he does and we don't, Grunweld may get thrown the **** out. Dolan will be owner of the team for a while, and there is nothing I can do about that. If it wasn't about the money, and instead the loyalty thing, there's a slim light of hope because though that is stupid as hell to let someone go, at least he will spend. And if it was about the money, and we're this close again to building a championship team, then LOL what then?

I don't know how I will feel opening night, but right now I can't wait till half the team is off it.