Waiters?

[fart]

one of these days, he will shoot at least 40%. one of these days!

[gordito]

one of these days, he will shoot at least 40%. one of these days!

I am really going to do some serious praying for this guy to pan out. I'm getting very nervous with the way things are currently looking. He doesn't look like the type of player that could have longevity in the league. At all. Hopefully some of ya'll are right and it's "just the Summer League".

[SaiCLE]

one of these days, he will shoot at least 40%. one of these days!

I am really going to do some serious praying for this guy to pan out. I'm getting very nervous with the way things are currently looking. He doesn't look like the type of player that could have longevity in the league. At all. Hopefully some of ya'll are right and it's "just the Summer League".

Wait....you can determine a player longevity in the NBA, even though he had only a handful of games??
not trying to flame you, but imo you're logic is flawed..

[KuruptedCav]

[quote="SaiCLE"]Wait....you can determine a player longevity in the NBA, even though he had only a handful of games??
not trying to flame you, but imo you're logic is flawed..
quote]

Sure can... There are several such high risk attributes for a truncated career
1) drug addicts (Chris Washburn, Eddie Griffin)
2) injury risks (Jonathan Bender, William Bedford)
3) players without drive (Ed O'Bannon, Bo Kimble)
4) players without talent (Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Aleksandar Radojevic, Trajan Langdon)

Obviously we don't know if Waiters will fall into one of these truncated career categories, but don't draft injury plagued players from small schools/Euro League for who succeed by overmatching their opponents (7' players in a conference of 6'8" centers) and have a history of drug abuse in the top-10 picks.

[tidho]

Where is the causal link?

Poster A: Waiters doesn't look like he'll have longevity.
Poster B: You can tell after 3 exhibition games?
Poster C: You can tell, here's a (very good, btw) list of indicators.

Hmmmm.
That all makes sense except that none of the indicators were matched up to Waiters.

[No-Man]

When you look back at this Draft in the future, there'll easily 30 players way better than Waiters.

that big was the mistake with him... you should fire Chris Grant

[mcfly1204]

When you look back at this Draft in the future, there'll easily 30 players way better than Waiters.

that big was the mistake with him... you should fire Chris Grant

So you are saying that Waiters should have been a mid to late 2nd round pick?... sound logic.

[tidho]

When you look back at this Draft in the future, there'll easily 30 players way better than Waiters...

Wow! 30 easily better?
How many more only slightly better, or comparable?
I wonder if Waiters should have even been drafted at all.

Gosh I wish you were out GM so we wouldn't have made such a trecherous mistake.
Hopefully Zellers is one of the 30.

[SaiCLE]

When you look back at this Draft in the future, there'll easily 30 players way better than Waiters.

that big was the mistake with him... you should fire Chris Grant

Glad to know you can see in the future

[SaiCLE]

All jokes aside, Coach Scott mentioned that Dion needs to lose at least ten pounds even though he is not overweight . And the thing is he is right, when he loses the weight it will add more to his explosiveness, and to his overall game. The good thing is Dion is a gym rat and Byron will make him work hard. Which is just awesome, in the mean time I'll gladly entertain the trolls

Edit: Dion needs to work on his defensive technique, I saw glimpse of his man to man defensive yesterday and while not impressive it was good.

Dion Waiters has that potential regardless of what people say

[No-Man]

Will Barton and Doron Lamb are better, and will be better, and they get draft almost 40 spots behind Waiters.

Cavaliers drafts are hilarious, they should hire me.

[SaiCLE]

Will Barton and Doron Lamb are better, and will be better, and they get draft almost 40 spots behind Waiters.

Cavaliers drafts are hilarious, they should hire me.

If that's the case, why don't you fill out a application and send it to Dan Gilbert

[SaiCLE]

Where is the causal link?

Poster A: Waiters doesn't look like he'll have longevity.
Poster B: You can tell after 3 exhibition games?
Poster C: You can tell, here's a (very good, btw) list of indicators.

Hmmmm.
That all makes sense except that none of the indicators were matched up to Waiters.

[tidho]

Interesting to see Byron calling out Waiters so soon - re: conditioning and defense.

Summer league will naturally bring the conditioning but I'm sure he doesn't want any backsliding before the season starts.
Defense is going to be a challenge for him simply because what he was asked to do in college is so much different than it is here.

[mcfly1204]

Will Barton and Doron Lamb are better, and will be better, and they get draft almost 40 spots behind Waiters.

Cavaliers drafts are hilarious, they should hire me.

Aren't you the same renob that made a mock draft on here with Sullinger going #2, Henson going #6, Beal going #8, and Doron Lamb going #14 overall?

[SaiCLE]

Interesting to see Byron calling out Waiters so soon - re: conditioning and defense.

Summer league will naturally bring the conditioning but I'm sure he doesn't want any backsliding before the season starts.
Defense is going to be a challenge for him simply because what he was asked to do in college is so much different than it is here.

Yea i watched a lot of Syracuse games, and they played zone religiously. So it will most likely take him a while to adjust to playing non zone D.

[TheOUTLAW]

Will Barton and Doron Lamb are better, and will be better, and they get draft almost 40 spots behind Waiters.

Cavaliers drafts are hilarious, they should hire me.

And yet, everyone had Waiters going in the top 10 and nobody have Barton or Lamb going that high. Yeah, your absolutely correct.

[truwizfan4evr]

Dion Waiters is shooting 30 percent from the floor entering Thursday’s summer league game against the Timberwolves and has struggled at times defensively.

“The biggest thing with him is conditioning,” Scott said. “Once he gets in shape, all the other stuff will start to come.”

Scott believes Waiters needs to drop about 10 pounds as well as work on his defensive technique.

“He’s so used to zone [defense] the last couple of seasons that he stands around a lot on the defensive end,” Scott said. “We have to get him out of that. He has a ways to go in that


Reading this story I want to know what do Cavs think of Dion Waiters so far? And his health and do you regret drafting him? And would you guys would of like to had move up to second pick to draft Bradley Beal?

[gordito]

one of these days, he will shoot at least 40%. one of these days!

I am really going to do some serious praying for this guy to pan out. I'm getting very nervous with the way things are currently looking. He doesn't look like the type of player that could have longevity in the league. At all. Hopefully some of ya'll are right and it's "just the Summer League".

Wait....you can determine a player longevity in the NBA, even though he had only a handful of games??
not trying to flame you, but imo you're logic is flawed..

I will start by saying that by "longevity", I don't mean that he will never be good. I mean that even if he is good at some point, I don't see him putting together a long, successful career, which is what one tends to expect from someone taken at #4 overall.

What is Waiters, like 20 years old? And he's already one of those "came out of shape/he could lose about 10 pounds" type of players. I'm not saying he can't lose the weight or get in shape, but when you're that young (and a wing player at that), do you think issues like that will not raise up in the future? Add that to the fact that he is very undersized at the 2 and needs the ball to be effective (which is not the greatest fit, especially on a roster with Kyrie as your PG). Oh, and he's a streaky jump shooter and not a good defender at the moment (nor does he have the tools to be, aside from quick hands).

People like to throw out that Wade "small guard" comparison, but the fact is, even Wade has about 5 inches of reach on Waiters!! Not to mention Wade had/has elite athleticism. Just look at his block on Chandler in the Finals and try to imagine Waiters being physically capable of doing anything like that. They both may be able to get to the lane with ease, but finishing will be a big part of doing that successfully, and as of now, I haven't seen anything that tells me Waiters will be able to do consistently in the NBA.

[gordito]

Given your screenname, I'm not sure if this is an attempt at a troll post, but: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1190586&start=195