Official Speculation Thread (Pt.XLI Off-Season Edition)

ilikebeer · Post #161 » by **ilikebeer** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:31 pm

If LA is able to swap Bynum on a one year contract for Dwight Howard on an extended contract and not give up anything or take on any bad contracts, then the NBA is truly lost. How does LA keep making these great deals? Why can't we?

Don't be that guy Rob... Please don't be that guy...

OrlChamps2030 · Post #162 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:31 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Idunkonyou2 wrote:We better not deal with the Lakers, unless we are getting Bynum, plus the Lakers flip Gasol for picks/young players to send our way as well and that 3rd team also takes a couple of our players like Hedo and JRich.

dont hold your breath. LA can easily walk away and play with their team they have now. They dont have to make this deal. They do it to upgrade, but they dont have to do it.

everyone better understand, we arent going to get 5 prospects, multiple draft picks AND ship out all our bad contracts. If Dwight was under contract and healthy, then maybe. But not now.

LAL sending out Gasol without getting Dwight + another worthwhile asset (that we cannot provide) is very unlikely... Gasol is one of the reasons Nash went to LAL. Nash, Kobe, Gasol, Bynum > Nash, Kobe, Howard

OrlandoMajinBuu · Post #163 » by **OrlandoMajinBuu** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:35 pm

I heard we are going to sign Kyle O'Quinn after all the Dwight drama has ended.

Coach_McGuirk · Post #164 » by **Coach_McGuirk** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:35 pm

LarsV8 wrote:If Bynum really wants to be in Houston, I think we would rather just pursue him in the offseason as a free agent.

I don't forsee Houston being involved in any 3 way deals with Orlando, where Dwight doesn't end up in Houston.

Good luck with that... Bynum, with his injuries, will want as much money as he can get with his next contract. Whoever has him on his team, when free agency comes around, will be able to offer him the most money, which will be either the Lakers or Magic. But I'm sure he rather take a smaller contract to join the Rockets!

Post #165 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:35 pm

Kurt Helin ‏@basketballtalk
No new Howard "news" but @HPbasketball with a great post about how Magic GM Rob Hennigan has played this brilliantly.

Excellent read. I encourage all to read. Not really groundbreaking stuff, but I agree with the premise.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... s-rainbow/
Here are a few excerpts

It was an impressive full-court press from Billy King just to get the Magic talking and move the trade to that point. King did everything you do when you want to exert pressure, including making it seem like there were no other options than to take the Nets deal.

In short, Hennigan was “close” to vomiting in a trash can and calling that the Dwight Howard trade.

The most important move of his career, just weeks into his tenure, and Hennigan seemed set to fail in every conceivable way. Writers, columnists, fans, and bloggers like me sharpened our knives to carve apart the decision while facepalming with the other hand.

The deal fell apart.

Throughout the process, all the talk about the deal came from two sources: reporters with sources close to the Nets and reporters with sources close to Howard. In short, from the two sides that most desperately wanted the deal to come through. But from other places the indications were strong that the Magic planned to be patient, that the Magic were always, always weighing their options. So after the deal fell apart, it wasn’t a huge shock. Hennigan proved to be the more patient party. Resisting the pressure and the invisible clock on getting a deal done for Howard before the season starts and Magic ownership and executives were forced to deal with the indignity of another year under the cloud of the mess they helped make last year with their emotional reactions to the Howard situation.

Now, it would appear, that great come-and-get-it day is on the horizon, and Hennigan’s rainbow is coming into view.

Even if the Lakers talks fall through as well, the ball has been moved forward, the bar for offers has been raised. Vomit in a trash can is no longer good enough.

So to review: instead of being forced into taking on a questionable max contract, poor draft picks, filler, and not unloading as much as they need, the Magic are closer to being able to get more flexibility, better draft picks, young assets, and maybe salvage some dignity from the deal.

The key here has been patience. Hennigan hasn’t taken a ton of questions, he’s not leaking a ton of information to the press. He’s been succinct in his statements and in reality, there’s been very little noise from anyone in Orlando outside of Howard. Hennigan hasn’t overreacted and has been careful in not going after any one particular asset. He’s not focusing in on Andrew Bynum, but he’s open to it. He’s used the three teams in the running for Howard (Brooklyn, the Lakers, and the Rockets) to raise the value of the offer.

There’s a lot more to be done, a deal could fall apart. But the reality is that Hennigan has reasserted control over the situation with cold, clinical precision. When Howard gets traded, if Howard gets traded, it will be on Hennigan’s terms and will put the Magic as close to where they want to be going forward. It won’t be perfect. But it’s got a good chance of being the best move possible.

Hennigan took a job coming into a difficult situation and while the contract for Jameer Nelson was an auspicious start, his early tenure will be judged entirely on how the Howard trade is handled. Early on, he’s managed to avoid the big disaster and has moved the pieces in place to get what they need. In the NBA it’s not just about what moves you do make, it’s about the ones you don’t. And Hennigan’s proven he’s not over his head.

OrlandoMajinBuu · Post #166 » by **OrlandoMajinBuu** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:39 pm

Interesting take from Denton:
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/denton-op ... -19_071912

BadMofoPimp · Post #167 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:41 pm

Zmill wrote:
LAL sending out Gasol without getting Dwight + another worthwhile asset (that we cannot provide) is very unlikely... Gasol is one of the reasons Nash went to LAL. Nash, Kobe, Gasol, Bynum > Nash, Kobe, Howard

Agreed

OrlandoMajinBuu · Post #168 » by **OrlandoMajinBuu** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:45 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Zmill wrote:
LAL sending out Gasol without getting Dwight + another worthwhile asset (that we cannot provide) is very unlikely... Gasol is one of the reasons Nash went to LAL. Nash, Kobe, Gasol, Bynum > Nash, Kobe, Howard

Agreed

+1

Nyce_1 · Post #169 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:45 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Kurt Helin ‏@basketballtalk
No new Howard "news" but @HPbasketball with a great post about how Magic GM Rob Hennigan has played this brilliantly.

Excellent read. I encourage all to read. Not really groundbreaking stuff, but I agree with the premise.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... s-rainbow/

I was just coming to post this article. Everyone on the cliff should read this.

Orlando Tragic · Post #170 » by **Orlando Tragic** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:52 pm

OrlandoMajinBuu wrote:Interesting take from Denton:
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/denton-op ... -19_071912

Interesting read.

"Don't be surprised if Howard is still a member of the Magic as late as the start of training camp in October."

Post #171 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:00 pm

Larry Ridley ‏@mrlarryridley
#Magic source, if D12 traded which isn't a given, Hennigan "wants to get young and rebuild with guys on rookie scale contracts" #Orlando

BrianEvansfor3 · Post #172 » by **BrianEvansfor3** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:03 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Larry Ridley ‏@mrlarryridley
#Magic source, if D12 traded which isn't a given, Hennigan "wants to get young and rebuild with guys on rookie scale contracts" #Orlando

This is what I have been thinking all along, he wants the best youth and picks that a team will give.

MagicTownBaller · Post #173 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:04 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Larry Ridley ‏@mrlarryridley
#Magic source, if D12 traded which isn't a given, Hennigan "wants to get young and rebuild with guys on rookie scale contracts" #Orlando

I thought we've known that. Larry Ridley is just posting the obvious.

Orlando Tragic · Post #174 » by **Orlando Tragic** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:05 pm

Laker board already poppin the corks...

"Getting real excited. Havent felt this way since we last won championships after acquring Pau and after acquring Shaq..

I mean, I am just mesmerized by this starting lineup:

KOBE NASH HOWARD GASOL MWP
(and I always considered MWP a star, unlike all the others who wanted him amnestied. why? He's our key stretch defender)

JAMISON
J HILL (please re-sign)
EBANKS (please stay)
J ONEAL ?

Minus J Oneal, we have our shortened 8-man rotation for playoffs and I think is outstanding.
Cant wait for this season. Let's go!!"

YosemiteSam · Post #175 » by **YosemiteSam** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:05 pm

Great WhiteHope wrote:
Well, I agree with you, but the kind of people who buy courtside seats and luxury boxes in 2012-2013 and even the few years beyond that? Hard to close a deal with a client by saying "hey lets go see the 15 win Magic team with a bunch of unknowns get destroyed by 20 points tonight!" A half empty area is a bad option if you are in this as a business.....

This is a perfect example of why it's a business decision as well as a basketball one. I buy two club seats to take clients and prospective clients to games. If the team totally tanks, do I really want to invest that $10K, or do I look at some other way to invest it? For some folks that's not a big deal, but I assure you it's a huge deal for me.

Do small businesses take a chance on that kind of investment if the team is nothing but rookies and Anderson Varejeo?

If your business decisions really are affected whether a sports team that you actually do no business with other than go take clients to, depends if they win or not they that says something about YOUR selling ability!

I meant a business decision for the Magic Einstein. :noway:

And you don't think people are more likely to enjoy taking their clients to a competitive team in full arena with an exciting crowd?

SEBAS-07 · Post #176 » by **SEBAS-07** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:20 pm

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/07/19/buyer-beware-when-it-comes-to-andrew-bynum/

Buyer beware about Bynum. **** the Lakers and Nets, I`m not trading him to those teams

The Lakers are trying to sell high on Bynum, they don't want to give a max salary to this walking injury.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #177 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:20 pm

Another day, nothing new.

This thread has made me crazy, I think about it in my sleep.

LarsV8 · Post #178 » by **LarsV8** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:22 pm

TSKD000 wrote:You always post as if you are involved in HOU's front office. Why do you even keep posting here??? Nobody here cares...

Basketball discussion. You may not care, but I am sure there are plenty who would be interested in the Rocket perspective.

pogiro wrote:Hence why the Cavs are involved. If Houston doesn't give up enough assets then they could end up without either center.

I don't think the Cavs have much to offer. A couple future firsts? They are a team on the rise, not going into the dump.

jadewbj · Post #179 » by **jadewbj** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:23 pm

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8178617/stephen-smith-new-york-knicks-not-wait-jeremy-lin-great
If you are not in NY than you suck! Once Dwight ends up anywhere but NY SA will be back to bashing the hell out of him.

Stop the tears, please. Just stop it. And if you can't, get some tissue. But whatever it takes, let's stop bloviating about how the Knicks blew up their chance at a championship just because they let go of a dude who was a breath removed from playing in the NBA's D-League.

Jeremy Lin is a slightly above average player -- one who excels outside of conventional offenses, primarily when he's allowed to run around like a chicken with its head cut off, and without the responsibility of being a floor general.

He is not Chris Paul. He is not Deron Williams, Derrick Rose or Rajon Rondo. He's no Tony Parker or Russell Westbrook, either. Until further notice, he doesn't even measure up to Mike Conley.

As for anyone

Post #180 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:28 pm

Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins
#Orlando #Magic and the #Hornets will play a preseason game in Mexico City on Oct. 7.

In addition, the NBA Mexico Game 2012 affords newly acquired Magic center Gustavo Ayón the opportunity to return home. Ayón is the league's third Mexican-born player; he signed with the Hornets as a free agent prior to the 2011/12 season.