NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22)

Mizerooskie · Post #241 » by **Mizerooskie** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:25 pm

Conditioning does not mean health.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys out of shape for Summer League. Once the combine and their workout circuit is over, I'm sure plenty shut it down for several weeks.

I do think Cleveland will regret drafting him-but because he was a reach, not because of conditioning issues.

dobrojim · Post #242 » by **dobrojim** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:35 pm

maybe if they were going to reach, DLamb would have been the call

LOL

Nivek · Post #243 » by **Nivek** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:40 pm

If I was a Cleveland fan, I'd say the same thing about Waiters that I'll say now as a Wizards fan: It's waaaaaaaaaaaay too early to give a moments thought to regretting the team drafting him. It's summer league. It means very close to nothing. He has two months to get in shape and be ready for training camp. He's played precisely zero meaningful NBA minutes.

DCZards · Post #244 » by **DCZards** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:53 pm

It's not Waiter's poor shooting that would bother me as a Cavs fan. It's that he should already be in shape. That's the very least I expect from a pro athlete, especially a 20 year old. I worry about guys who come to work without doing the basic preparation, which for an athlete means being in shape.

Nivek · Post #245 » by **Nivek** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:58 pm

It would worry me if Waiters shows up to training camp out of shape after being out of shape for summer league. The summer league can be chalked up to ignorance (not knowing what "in shape" means at the pro level) and/or immaturity. If he corrects the mistake and is ready to go at training camp, then summer league goes into the bygones category. If he doesn't correct the problem...then it's a much bigger issue because it tells the team some bad things about the guy's character and work ethic.

Post #246 » by **Zonkerbl** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:10 pm

llcc25 wrote:The only encouraging sign from watching wiz in summer league is that beal is going to be a very good sg for us for years to come. I have little confidence and hope that singleton and vesely can be anything more than backup rotation players. I expected a little more from our first round picks last year. And Mack simply is horrible. D league player at best. Gosh I wish we had a mulligan for last year so we could've picked klay Thompson and Faried.

Beal is a good player, granted. But he's supposed to be able to shoot. I'm seeing more of the 33% 3pt shooter from his freshman year regular season than the 42% shooter he was in the tournament.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketb ... lorida.htm

Dat2U · Post #247 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:06 pm

vesely just went down with what looks like a sprained ankle on an awkward looking drive to the rim.

Jay81 · Post #248 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:45 pm

Dat2U wrote:vesely just went down with what looks like a sprained ankle on an awkward looking drive to the rim.

if we had the pheonix medical staff...i wouldnt be too worried but He is likely out the year

llcc25 · Post #249 » by **llcc25** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:15 am

Crowder with 20 and 8 tonight for mavs. I hope I'm wrong but my gut tells me crowder, tyshawn Taylor and d lamb will prove we made mistake in taking Tomaz. According to leonsis, we r done rebuilding so y draft a guy that can't help us for another 2-3 years.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #250 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:43 am

I think Terrence Jones is going to be one heck of a good NBA player one day.

omegatronic3 · Post #251 » by **omegatronic3** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:53 am

Zonkerbl wrote:
llcc25 wrote:The only encouraging sign from watching wiz in summer league is that beal is going to be a very good sg for us for years to come. I have little confidence and hope that singleton and vesely can be anything more than backup rotation players. I expected a little more from our first round picks last year. And Mack simply is horrible. D league player at best. Gosh I wish we had a mulligan for last year so we could've picked klay Thompson and Faried.

Beal is a good player, granted. But he's supposed to be able to shoot. I'm seeing more of the 33% 3pt shooter from his freshman year regular season than the 42% shooter he was in the tournament.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketb ... lorida.htm

from what Ive seen when Beal has a good look he knocks it down.....in the Milwake game he had to toss up some bad shots to beat the clock. What I like about Beal is toughness....he takes contact and finished...hustle..hes had some blocks just by hustling.....good decisions....he hasnt turned the ball over..he does look like the smallest player out there though...I definitely think he can play some PG

he also hit some nice pull up jumpers coming off screens.

payitforward · Post #252 » by **payitforward** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:26 pm

I spent a while looking at what round 2 guys did in SL, and the early returns do not make us look like geniuses (except for me of course; see below) -- Crowder and Barton have played poorly. Draymond Green hasn't played well. Quincy Miller... bad. And so forth.

Doron Lamb has been better than any of these guys -- none of you called for him, but I did. I was *absolutely sure* he was the guy for us at #32. Didn't I mention that? Oh....

None of us called for Bernard James -- he's dominated in SL. Of course, he's 27, but then so are a lot of the other players in SL. Still, a bit old for a draft pick which is probably why none of us raised a flag for him.

Further down the board, Kyle O'Quinn stands out for his SL work -- and in this case, no joke, I did actually call for him to be picked at our #46 when we still had it.

And then there's one guy who's really been bad -- and that would be Tomas Satoransky. Thank God we have him in the fold, huh?

Nivek · Post #253 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:48 pm

^^^ And this is exactly why it makes no sense to make a big deal of summer league either way.

Take Crowder for example. Does anyone really think he's a 40% free throw shooter? Add 3 made free throws to his totals (he shot .735 last season on 119 attempts at Marquette) and his efficiency (ortg) rises 7 points.

He's shooting 4-14 on 3pt attempts. Well that's "just" .286. He must suck as a 3pt shooter, right? Add a single made 3 and his percentage would jump to .357 and all of a sudden he's a solid 3pt shooter.

Summer league is too short to mean much of anything.

Jimmy Recard · Post #254 » by **Jimmy Recard** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:33 pm

Poor Shelvin :lol:

The more glaring need, however, is finding a backup point guard.

“We’re looking for somebody who can run a ball-club,” said Sam Cassell on Sunday. “We’ve got John Wall, but after John Wall, we need to figure it out. That’s what we’re trying to do.”

Now, this is not an indictment of Shelvin Mack, although his summer league play did little to inspire.

And just now on Twitter..

Shelvin Mack ‏@ShelvinMack
Think Positive.....

Mizerooskie · Post #255 » by **Mizerooskie** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:55 pm

Baron Davis, here we come...

DMVleGeND · Post #256 » by **DMVleGeND** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:29 pm

Mizerooskie wrote:Baron Davis, here we come...

Isn't he sitting out next yr because of that major knee injury?

Mizerooskie · Post #257 » by **Mizerooskie** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:43 pm

DMVleGeND wrote:
Mizerooskie wrote:Baron Davis, here we come...

Isn't he sitting out next yr because of that major knee injury?

Yup.

Just in an especially pessimistic mood about EG's direction today.

tontoz · Post #258 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:53 pm

@ Cassell dissing Mack.

TGW · Post #259 » by **TGW** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:24 pm

tontoz wrote::lol: @ Cassell dissing Mack.

I'm glad he's doing it. Someone has to break the news to our ignorant front office that Mack is not an NBA-quality point guard. He should be in the NBDL working on his game.

Only in Ernie Grunfeld's delusional mind is Mack worthy of a roster spot, let alone a backup point guard spot. :roll:

nuposse04 · Post #260 » by **nuposse04** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:37 pm

I'm glad the organization is looking elsewhere. I do feel somewhat bad for mack, he doesn't come off as a malcontent or knucklehead. He just isn't NBA stuff yet. I think he needs to bounce around in D-league play or overseas for about 2-3 years. That and lose some damn weight.