Trade Rumors Thread - Brewers Open for Business (30)

[ReasonablySober]

This is new, I didn't pay much attention to new CBA so I didn't know about this:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb

Interesting that these picks can be traded. If my late night, can't sleep math is right - looks like 12 of the 14 teams listed will get a pick either between rounds 1 and 2 or 2 and 3.

So, the #Brewers get the fifth pick in Comp. Round B. With new rules, won't know precisely where that pick falls until next spring.

Yeah, I guess teams still can lose first round picks for signing guys, but those picks don't go to the team that lost the player, the pick just disappears and everybody moves up a spot. Or something like that?

Yup.

[trwi7]

Would anybody want Hanley Ramirez, if the price is right?

No

[ReasonablySober]

The Dodgers are interested in Hart too, according to Heyman.

[trwi7]

Greinke, Hart and Ramirez should all be traded.

[ReasonablySober]

Greinke, Hart and Ramirez should all be traded.

Word.

[Kerb Hohl]

Greinke, Hart and Ramirez should all be traded.

Again, I'm normally all for this type of stuff, but when do you expect to compete again?

I realize Braun has 4-5 years left of his prime but I don't want to piss a bunch of it away.

[trwi7]

Greinke, Hart and Ramirez should all be traded.

Again, I'm normally all for this type of stuff, but when do you expect to compete again?

I realize Braun has 4-5 years left of his prime but I don't want to piss a bunch of it away.

Because spending money on free agents is obviously working. Stop with this Braun's prime bull crap.

[El Duderino]

Greinke, Hart and Ramirez should all be traded.

Again, I'm normally all for this type of stuff, but when do you expect to compete again?

I realize Braun has 4-5 years left of his prime but I don't want to piss a bunch of it away.

For me, it all depends on what the offer is for any of these guys.

Ramirez i view differently given his age and how his contract is backloaded, especially in the last year of the deal where he's owed 16 million. No team will likely give up a really good prospect and take on his contract.

Greinke will get us two comp picks if kept, so the offer has to be good to trade him. With his struggles/issues of late, it might lessen what teams will give.

As for Hart, he certainly wouldn't be untouchable for me, but given his favorable contract status, the offer would have to be good enough before i'd trade him.

Any trade or non-trade of a player is all about the details and unfortunately in many cases, we fans don't get to hear exact details of what a GM was or wasn't offered for a player.

[El Duderino]

Greinke, Hart and Ramirez should all be traded.

Again, I'm normally all for this type of stuff, but when do you expect to compete again?

I realize Braun has 4-5 years left of his prime but I don't want to piss a bunch of it away.

Because spending money on free agents is obviously working.

They won 96 games games last year, most in team history and were two games from the World Series. Don't over-exaggerate and act like Melvin and Attanasio's desire to win now the last two years has been some huge failure.

This year obviously hasn't worked out as they hoped, largely because of the bullpen, but it's not like the team spent money and all they got for it the last few years were say under .500 non-playoffs seasons.

[Kerb Hohl]

Twirl, I'm a fan of the way a team like the Rays build it, but you're crazy if you say it isn't working.

Aramis Ramirez was a great signing. It may be painful of year 3 when he's old at 16 million, but it isn't going to cripple the franchise. He's already through year 1 of 3 as a "worth it" move. We were 2 games away from the World Series last year...I'll take that risk.

The Twins had a bunch of success and at the tail end, they were paying money to some free agents to keep them or signings like an Aramis Ramirez type.

Honestly, the bullpen is 90% of the difference from this year to last year. Now, I'd agree that part of the problem is that we're stretched a bit thin spending money and can't fill in the gaps in the bullpen like the Yankees, but it imploded. Say it didn't, we're right back in the mix this season.

I think the majority of our recent signings have been good. Would I like to build through the draft? Yes. But a key is that it's not my money. If Mark wants to spend 20 million over the top to try to get it done, I'm happy as a fan, because we were right on the cusp of a World Series.

I realize we've lost some of our "win-now" trades in the sense of not having Lawrie for multiple years or Odorizzi/Escobar, etc. but Mark filled in a lot of those holes with signings. I wasn't a fan of the Marcum deal and I think last year having Lawrie instead of Marcum may have been a good thing, even though Marcum was helpful for a while. This year, I'd rather have Aramis Ramirez and Marcum instead of Lawrie, money be damned in a one year scenario the way Lawrie is playing.

I agree that trying to be a big market team as the Milwaukee Brewers is not a fool-proof strategy. Someday, the house of cards may collapse. I even wanted Melvin fired a few years back as he had made some head-scratching "win-now" trades that sucked. That said, he's absolved all sins for a while in my mind. I would have been much more patient, but if Mark wants to spend the money and prospects, I'm going to enjoy surrounding Ryan Braun with All Star players.

EDIT: Lawrie is having an incredible defensive season.

[trwi7]

Greinke will get us two comp picks if kept

One.

[Kerb Hohl]

Twirly, you've won 96 games last season and have a "last hoorah" with Greinke/Marcum. You are losing Fielder, but in somewhat hindsight, you know that Aoki/Hart/improvements from random other guys is going to indirectly cover it up a bit, plus you're counting on Gamel prior to the season.

Would you not want to upgrade 3B and SS? The only difference to last year's team really is Saito/Hawkins other than that. Saito hasn't even thrown a pitch yet (I realize he was a second half guy last year as well). Hawkins has thrown 20 innings.

You win 96 games and you wouldn't make some reasonable signings like Gonzalez? A-Ram's last year of his contract is a bit unreasonable, but it's only a 3 year deal and you're going for it. Again, you just won 96 games and were 2 games from the World Series.

[ReasonablySober]

Lawrie's defensive metric numbers are completely jacked. You should ignore those in such a small sample anyway.

And yea, the most we'd get out of holding onto Greinke is a sandwich pick.

As for trades, I'm a firm believer in cleaning house a year early as opposed to a year too late. The Brewers are in position to do it right and make moves now. Sitting on guys like Ramirez and Hart would be a bad gamble in my opinion. I don't think the Brewers are making the playoffs this season and with three new additions to the rotation next season I think it's even less likely in '13.

If we could get three to four '14+ starters for Greinke, Hart, Ramirez and Rodriguez I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[El Duderino]

I agree that trying to be a big market team as the Milwaukee Brewers is not a fool-proof strategy. Someday, the house of cards may collapse. I even wanted Melvin fired a few years back as he had made some head-scratching "win-now" trades that sucked. That said, he's absolved all sins for a while in my mind. I would have been much more patient, but if Mark wants to spend the money and prospects, I'm going to enjoy surrounding Ryan Braun with All Star players.

EDIT: Lawrie is having an incredible defensive season.

A lot of people are focusing on what Melvin will do at the deadline, but i don't think it's mainly just his call like it would be with Ted Thompson. I highly doubt that Doug can choose to be a buyer or seller without Attanasio stating first which direction should be taken. Mark clearly strikes me as an aggressive win now preference type of owner and who will only waive the white flag if he's near certain hopes for a playoff run are almost non-existent.

As for the overall plan the team has taken the last few years, i'm fine with it for the most part, the Marcum trade being my only sizable regret. Yea the team fell short of the World Series last year, but as a very long time huge Brewers and baseball fan, i personally found last season to be such a fabulous and enjoyable ride to watch. Baseball IMO is a unique sport to follow as a fan when your team is good because of the 162 game schedule. The team plays nearly everyday for six months and longer if the playoffs are made. Yet, even with so many games, if your team is in legit contention, each game feels like high drama. It's even extra exciting when following a team that spent over 20 straight years being terrible to mediocre at best.

So for me, that late run in the Sabathia season and the 96 wins/playoffs last year have totally revived my love for Brewers baseball again, regardless that neither team won it all. Same for the city as a whole, amazing attendance for a city this size. Big name players no longer view the franchise as one to flee from ASAP or ignore completely in free agency. I'm 40 and lived through countless bleak seasons under Bando and Taylor. Usually by about a 1/3 to 1/2 of the season, all hope was lost and i stopped caring enough to tune in. Hell, hope many times was lost before a season even started. If the team managed to develop a good young player or got one in a trade, by about 2 years from free agency, trade threads would start on Brewerfan because actually keeping that player wasn't realistic.

So while Doug and Mark have made their share of moves over say the last 3-4 years which i wasn't a fan of, i think there has been major tangible value in the successes from the two playoff runs, even if they also have come up short. The city loves the team again. A young HOF player in Braun chose to sign long term vs counting his days to free agency. Big name players at the very least consider us in free agency and aren't pissed anymore to get traded here. Granted, next year could be one of those crossroads seasons if Greinke/Marcum are lost, but i certainly wouldn't just assume as fact right now that the team couldn't be competitive or even better than that. Outside of powerhouse franchises like NY, baseball can be quite unpredictable, look at the Pirates, Dodgers, and White Sox this year. Odds do seem against them being say an 85-plus win team next year without Greinke and Marcum, but so many unknown things right now will influence how next season ends up shaking out. Including the upcoming trade deadline.

[El Duderino]

Lawrie's defensive metric numbers are completely jacked. You should ignore those in such a small sample anyway.

And yea, the most we'd get out of holding onto Greinke is a sandwich pick.

As for trades, I'm a firm believer in cleaning house a year early as opposed to a year too late. The Brewers are in position to do it right and make moves now. Sitting on guys like Ramirez and Hart would be a bad gamble in my opinion. I don't think the Brewers are making the playoffs this season and with three new additions to the rotation next season I think it's even less likely in '13.

If we could get three to four '14+ starters for Greinke, Hart, Ramirez and Rodriguez I'd do it in a heartbeat.

K-Rod has a hefty salary over the rest of the season and hasn't been reliable for the most part all season long. If Attanasio agreed to pick up most or all of K-Rod's salary, maybe we could get a half way decent prospect, but i won't be expecting all that much.

Ramirez is owed 10/16 million over the next two seasons. Granted, salaries in baseball are going up and will just keep going up given all the big money cable deals teams are signing, but i'd still be surprised if Melvin could get a say top 100 level prospect in return. Ramirez doesn't have some ugly contract, but it does involve some risk in year three to the team acquiring him.

So those two would likely would be more salary dumps than prospect hauls, but Greinke and Hart would be the two which should be able to bring in potential young higher end talents. That said, when Greinke gets his last few starts before the deadline, if he's not impressive, trade offers for him could take a major hit.

[WEFFPIM]

Twirly, you've won 96 games last season and have a "last hoorah" with Greinke/Marcum. You are losing Fielder, but in somewhat hindsight, you know that Aoki/Hart/improvements from random other guys is going to indirectly cover it up a bit, plus you're counting on Gamel prior to the season.

Would you not want to upgrade 3B and SS? The only difference to last year's team really is Saito/Hawkins other than that. Saito hasn't even thrown a pitch yet (I realize he was a second half guy last year as well). Hawkins has thrown 20 innings.

You win 96 games and you wouldn't make some reasonable signings like Gonzalez? A-Ram's last year of his contract is a bit unreasonable, but it's only a 3 year deal and you're going for it. Again, you just won 96 games and were 2 games from the World Series.

THANK YOU.

This idea that the Brewers are back in the Stone Age of baseball is such a giant crock of ****.

[mlloyd10]

Not a big deal but

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Source: #Rockies starter Jeremy Guthrie traded to #Royals for Jonathan Sanchez.

[mlloyd10]

Another one

The Astros have made a 10-player trade with the Toronto Blue Jays this evening, General Manager Jeff Luhnow has announced.

Houston will ultimately receive seven players from Toronto in the deal, including two Major League players, RHP Francisco Cordero and OF Ben Francisco, four minor league players, RHP Joe Musgrove, RHP Asher Wojciechowski, LHP David Rollins and C Carlos Perez, and a player to be named later. Two of the players the Astros received are former first-round draft picks. In exchange for the seven players, the Astros have sent RHP Brandon Lyon, LHP J.A. Happ and RHP David Carpenter to the Blue Jays.

[ReasonablySober]

Not a big deal but

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Source: #Rockies starter Jeremy Guthrie traded to #Royals for Jonathan Sanchez.

What a **** clown show that is.

[trwi7]

The Brewers offered star righthanded pitcher Zack Greinke a $100-million-plus, five-year deal sometime within the past few weeks, but there's nothing yet to indicate he will sign quickly and give up free agency, people familiar with the talks told CBSSports.com.

The quiet Greinke offer, which is said to have come more than a week ago, was said by one person to have been for close to the $112.5-million, five-year extension Matt Cain signed and may have even replicated it (though Cain's total could be looked at as $127.5 million since he had a year to go at $15 million when he signed the extension this spring). Greinke is expected to hit the free-agent market, which would give him a chance to look around.

If he hasn't accepted it by now, he's not going to. Trade him.