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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#141 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:29 am

fatlever wrote:i wonder if kemba's 0 assist night will cost him the assist lead.

It comes down to the perfomances of Damian Lillard, Eric Bledsoe, and Jeremy Pargo over the next 2 days. As of right now, Kemba still has the slightest edge of a lead. Interesting that even though he didn't record an assist tonight that he still managed to keep his turnover ratio to an even keel. The fact that he's not turning the ball over in this type of erratic Summer League play is a good sign, at least a bright spot.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#142 » by amcoolio » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:56 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:Such bull. He must have really hurt that knee then.



Unless everyone is lieing and he really ISN'T practicing (not likely) then this is them being stupidly careful. The kid is practicing at 100 percent. He is just as likely to get injured there as he is in a game. This would had been a great opportunity for MKG to experience some of the grind of the NBA. Instead, we p***y out and sit him. It's really annoying. You can't argue the kid should sit out to prevent injury when he is practicing just as hard as everyone else. Idk what the hell their doing...it's really annoying though.


Maybe MKG is very Lebron-like in practice and they don't really need to see anymore out of him in SL play. Better to let the guys fighting for a spot on the team than put your Lebron 2.0 out there and take their playing time.

Also, Dunlap is gone and we throw Silas out there and back to being blown out. :lol:

Dunlap is quickly becoming my all time favorite coach (Hornets/Bobcats), and he hasn't even coached a real game yet. Did we really luck out or what picking him over Shaw/Snyder/everyone else
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#143 » by TheKingofSting » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:58 am

amcoolio wrote:Maybe MKG is very Lebron-like in practice and they don't really need to see anymore out of him in SL play. Better to let the guys fighting for a spot on the team than put your Lebron 2.0 out there and take their playing time.

Also, Dunlap is gone and we throw Silas out there and back to being blown out. :lol:

Dunlap is quickly becoming my all time favorite coach (Hornets/Bobcats), and he hasn't even coached a real game yet. Did we really luck out or what picking him over Shaw/Snyder/everyone else


If he practices like he played the one game then I am sure they have seen all they needed too. I am sure if it were the regular season he wouldn't have missed but that first game after the injury if that.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#144 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:00 am

The nonstop full court press won't work in the regular season...Ask Rick Pitino how that worked.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#145 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:02 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
fatlever wrote:i wonder if kemba's 0 assist night will cost him the assist lead.

It comes down to the perfomances of Damian Lillard, Eric Bledsoe, and Jeremy Pargo over the next 2 days. As of right now, Kemba still has the slightest edge of a lead. Interesting that even though he didn't record an assist tonight that he still managed to keep his turnover ratio to an even keel. The fact that he's not turning the ball over in this type of erratic Summer League play is a good sign, at least a bright spot.


I dont care about his assist. I care about his shooting %. Hasn't gotten any better.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#146 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:02 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
fatlever wrote:i wonder if kemba's 0 assist night will cost him the assist lead.

It comes down to the perfomances of Damian Lillard, Eric Bledsoe, and Jeremy Pargo over the next 2 days. As of right now, Kemba still has the slightest edge of a lead. Interesting that even though he didn't record an assist tonight that he still managed to keep his turnover ratio to an even keel. The fact that he's not turning the ball over in this type of erratic Summer League play is a good sign, at least a bright spot.


I dont care about his assist. I care about his shooting %. Hasn't gotten any better.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#147 » by Jaruff » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:24 am

So I guess I made the right decision by skipping this game?

Josh Selby is a guy I like though. Just came out too early.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#148 » by BigSlam » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:53 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:The nonstop full court press won't work in the regular season...Ask Rick Pitino how that worked.

But the discipline they showed running and executing it will.

It's more about creating expectations and promoting communication than being a full court trap.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#149 » by ohara » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:49 am

BigSlam wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:The nonstop full court press won't work in the regular season...Ask Rick Pitino how that worked.

But the discipline they showed running and executing it will.

It's more about creating expectations and promoting communication than being a full court trap.


Thank you for pointing that out. That fact is being overlooked by most.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#150 » by LamarMatic7 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:28 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:The nonstop full court press won't work in the regular season...Ask Rick Pitino how that worked.

or Paul Westhead
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#151 » by fatlever » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:08 pm

a full court press wont work for 48 minutes for 82 games in the NBA. i think we all agree on this. its too strenuous on players and NBA teams can easily beat a press with a little gameplanning and practice which would leave our two bigs in 3 on 2 or 2 on 1 situations over and over.

however, i expect dunlap to use the press at certain points in the game, just like he will use a zone and man to man. i think this week was more about setting a tone about how hard and aggressive this team will play as well getting players into shape.

and it was more of a 3/4 press ;)
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#152 » by dre4bobcats » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:44 pm

Yeah a team like san antonio or denver would put up 120-130 on us if we were to incorporate that style of defense for 48 minutes...I do like it for 2 or 3 minute stretches in certain situations
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Post#153 » by MKG14 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:02 pm

I think you do the full court press until the other team beats it solidly a few times in a row, just like any other kind of defense. The point of having defensive sets is to change them up and keep the offense out of rhythm.
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Post#154 » by BigSlam » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:40 pm

Imagine if we had have played a press full time Vs the Magic in our one and only playoff series.

With their shooters it would have been a hilarious disaster.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#155 » by LamarMatic7 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:51 am

I can't imagine a full court press being successful against any team in today's NBA. The last teams it would work against probably were from the 80s. You would need this crappy 20-win team without any chemistry and three white guys on the floor. I can imagine them not being athletic enough to break it down.

Anyway, what's the last time anyone worked the press successfully in the pros? Could it be the early 70s Carolina Cougars with Larry Brown?
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#156 » by fatlever » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:08 pm

dunlap talked a little about the press recently

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page ... daily-dime

"I think we can press during the year," Bobcats coach Mike Dunlap said after a 99-86 win over the Denver Nuggets. "We try to do the hardest things first -- fitness, pressing 94 feet, rotations harder than stunting. But we want to let them know there are certain things we can do that are brandings of ours."


"When you get into the season, we can take it off; we can do it at times versus certain teams," Dunlap said when asked about using a strategy you don't see past the college level. "But it's a tool in our toolbox."


We know we have to work really hard to win during the year, so we want to start that now," Dunlap said.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#157 » by MKG14 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:44 pm

fatlever wrote:dunlap talked a little about the press recently

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page ... daily-dime

"I think we can press during the year," Bobcats coach Mike Dunlap said after a 99-86 win over the Denver Nuggets. "We try to do the hardest things first -- fitness, pressing 94 feet, rotations harder than stunting. But we want to let them know there are certain things we can do that are brandings of ours."


"When you get into the season, we can take it off; we can do it at times versus certain teams," Dunlap said when asked about using a strategy you don't see past the college level. "But it's a tool in our toolbox."


We know we have to work really hard to win during the year, so we want to start that now," Dunlap said.

That's what I was saying earlier. You don't press for 48 minutes, you press until they start beating it and then you show them zone (for example) and they're all out of whack again. And maybe later that same game you maybe feint at a press and force bad decisions. It's about forcing the offense to react to you instead of you waiting for them to get into their sets.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#158 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:40 am

The press can be useful during the year at times. Against teams with shotty back up point guards or only one solid ball handler. Or if the team has no good shooters on the floor the press can be effective because those guys will get open threes in transition but chances are they wont make them.

Also, it is just a good way to pick up the tempo of the game and get teams playing faster then they want to and that is what we want to do is run so I expect to see this a decent bit this year. Our team is going to be able to score in the open court with all the defenders and athletes we have so we should be much more exciting.
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Re: Summer League '12 GT #5 Vs Grizzlies 

Post#159 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:44 am

Just think about it.

We have MKG, Taylor, and Henderson who are all going to be really good wing defenders and get steals. We have shot blockers in the paint with Biyombo, Haywood, and Tyrus which will lead to run outs. And we have two of the fastest point guards in the league with Kemba and Sessions.

The only part of defense I am worried about will be our ability to rebound to close out the possesion. That is why it would of been nice to get a rebounding machine like Humphries, but that just means everybody will have to pick up the slack. That is another thing is our wings and even our guards rebound well so it takes some pressure off our bigs.

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