Big Al to Houston for What?

blackham9258 · Post #1 » by **blackham9258** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:28 am

As a Jazz fan I love Al as a 20/10 beast, but I see that it is likely that one of our two bigs is gone after this year: Al or Millsap. My assumption is that Paul will sign for less and that he will get the nod from our front office. We all also know that Kevin McHale loves Al, so the question is... is there a match to be made without you guys giving up too much?

If we traded Al to you guys who would you be willing to part with? Which rookies do you value the most? We wouldn't really want back K Mart as he isn't part of our plans, but would rather a pick and a rookie of yours.

I can't imagine you guys wanting to go into the season with 3 rookies and 2 sophomores. Who would you give up?

Personally I would like a protected 1st and TJones or R WHite.

Just wondering if there is a deal here.

Also, if you end up with Asik I think he pairs perfectly with Big Al. Al's only deficiency is on defense and that is Asik's core competency. I think Al works great for you guys if you miss out on Howard/Bynum.

Thoughts.

texasholdem · Post #2 » by **texasholdem** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:34 am

Why wouldn't you want KMart? CJ Miles is gone. Hayward isn't a true shooting guard. Alec Burks didn't exactly light the league on fire in his rookie year. Martin would be perfect for you and he'd have to be included to match Jefferson's salary anyway.

zapatasblood · Post #3 » by **zapatasblood** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:34 am

Martin and well only Martin but no to it all together

Post #4 » by **Mr. E** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:37 am

If we were to bring in Big Al, then Kevin Martin as an outgoing would be a given. Then it would be one of the picks at the most, not any of the young players.

Sorry, but I've never been that high on the guy.

Post #5 » by **Mr. E** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:39 am

Actually, I don't know if I'd even do a swap for Martin & a second. I don't think that a player like Al Jefferson fits in with this Houston team at all. It would be like trading right now for Pau Gasol...only not as good.

b_mind · Post #6 » by **b_mind** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:48 am

I'll give up a bag of peanuts and Martin expiring.

texasholdem · Post #7 » by **texasholdem** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:52 am

Mr. E wrote:Actually, I don't know if I'd even do a swap for Martin & a second. I don't think that a player like Al Jefferson fits in with this Houston team at all. It would be like trading right now for Pau Gasol...only not as good.

Al is still young compared to Gasol. He's not even a full year older than Dwight Howard and they came into the league at the same time.

Jefferson for Martin + Marcus Morris + the draft rights to Sergio Llull and Furkan Aldemir

Post #8 » by **Mr. E** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:56 am

Al is young compared to Gasol, but I'd still rather have Gasol if I had to choose between them (Laker Fan - this is not an invitation to start up the Pau trades again! :lol:

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I don't see Al as a player that you give up a lot to get if you are in the situation that our team is in.

I'd much rather keep those minutes free for Motie & Patterson rather than bring in a guy like Al who won't make this team better just by his addition. I'd rather stick with the unprovens.

texasholdem · Post #9 » by **texasholdem** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:01 am

Mr. E wrote:Al is young compared to Gasol, but I'd still rather have Gasol if I had to choose between them (Laker Fan - this is not an invitation to start up the Pau trades again! )

I don't see Al as a player that you give up a lot to get if you are in the situation that our team is in.

I'd much rather keep those minutes free for Motie & Patterson rather than bring in a guy like Al who won't make this team better just by his addition. I'd rather stick with the unprovens.

He would be coming here as a center so he would take minutes from Asik not P2 and Motie.

Br0ken_Sp0ke · Post #10 » by **Br0ken_Sp0ke** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:22 am

Don't want Big Al on the Rockets at all.

MaxRider · Post #11 » by **MaxRider** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:26 am

why every 3 months there is a topic about al jefferson

Br0ken_Sp0ke · Post #12 » by **Br0ken_Sp0ke** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:31 am

MaxRider wrote:why every 3 months there is a topic about al jefferson

Everyone thinks we want him because of McHale...The problem is McHale is the coach while Morey is the GM. I don't think Morey values Big Al whatsoever. There's absolutely no way he'd trade one of our young bigs and a pick for him...

texasholdem · Post #13 » by **texasholdem** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:47 am

I don't think Morey values Big Al whatsoever

Morey was part of the Celtics front office team that drafted Jefferson in 2004.

MaxRider · Post #14 » by **MaxRider** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:47 am

Br0ken_Sp0ke wrote:
MaxRider wrote:why every 3 months there is a topic about al jefferson

Everyone thinks we want him because of McHale...The problem is McHale is the coach while Morey is the GM. I don't think Morey values Big Al whatsoever. There's absolutely no way he'd trade one of our young bigs and a pick for him...

even before mchale is the coach

texasholdem · Post #15 » by **texasholdem** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:48 am

MaxRider wrote:why every 3 months there is a topic about al jefferson

Because he's about to be a free agent and he's a top 10 center.

Br0ken_Sp0ke · Post #16 » by **Br0ken_Sp0ke** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:51 am

texasholdem wrote:
I don't think Morey values Big Al whatsoever

Morey was part of the Celtics front office team that drafted Jefferson in 2004.

Who cares, it's way past 2004 and he sucks. No more bigs that can't play a lick of defense; he is even worse than Scola!!!!

Post #17 » by **Mr. E** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:12 am

texasholdem wrote:
MaxRider wrote:why every 3 months there is a topic about al jefferson

Because he's about to be a free agent and he's a top 10 center.

A "Top Ten Center" doesn't mean much in today's NBA game.

The Era of the Great Centers is long past. There are only a handful of players at that position who are game-changers. The rest are just tall role-players.

Al is not worth youth and picks. Especially since, as you've pointed out, he's about to be a free agent. There is no worse position to be in with big men than to see one testing free agency where people will pay dollars by the inches.

Teckon · Post #18 » by **Teckon** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:29 am

Would do it for Martin + Morris for Al Jefferson. Maybe throw in a 2nd round pick (from NYK) if feel generous on the day of negotiation.

spolgar · Post #19 » by **spolgar** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:38 am

I don't think it is particularly merciful to stick Al Jefferson in a rebuilding effort again. I think he might feel a bit resentful and our locker room will be plenty gloomy enough as it is this year. Besides, one of the few things this team can do competently out of the gate is run. Unfortunately, and that is something that defines Al Jefferson is his lack of speed between free throw line and free throw line.

He's a good player that has an excellent back to the basket game fundamentally, but his inability to protect the paint makes many sour on him. Chicago might also work out as a good destination, although I'm not sure what you would take back without recruiting a third (or fourth) team. Good luck with your search man, but with Orlando holding on to Dwight Howard to put into Rasheed Wallace mode ala Detroit 2003-2004, we really ought to go with the full rebuild mode and go from there.

I tell you what though, we'll take Burk for Morris straight up and maybe throw in a pick.

dantian · Post #20 » by **dantian** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:38 am

I don't understand the rationale against Al. He is an asset you could trade later, sign him long term next summer, or sign-and-trade him for assets. Much more valuable than KMartin and a couple picks/draft choices. Also, even when tanking, you don't want to play to not winning any game at all. You want Lin/Lamb et al. play with some solid vet star for proper NBA experiences, instead of just a bunch of youngsters worried only about stats.