Official Arsenal FC Thread

jerrod · Post #861 » by **jerrod** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:26 pm

i thought bendtner would have moved on for good by now after his euro showing

Massimo · Post #862 » by **Massimo** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:14 pm

hahah

IronChef · Post #863 » by **IronChef** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:55 am

Massimo wrote:

hahah

Jog on.

What's your point? Ashley Cole sold out and joined the Chelsea money revolution which ruined football. Good on him, I guess. At least he's a class act, right?

Troll elsewhere.

Ted Lasso · Post #864 » by **Ted Lasso** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:05 am

IronChef wrote:Jog on.

What's your point? Ashley Cole sold out and joined the Chelsea money revolution which ruined football. Good on him, I guess. At least he's a class act, right?

Troll elsewhere.

Chelsea aren't ruining football. Neither are Manchester City, PSG, Malaga, or Anzhi.

North American owners; The men who buy teams on debt and try to make money off them are ruining football.

Owning a football team is not a business venture. It's a privilege.

Brt19 · Post #865 » by **Brt19** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:36 pm

Santi Cazorla rumored to sign for Arsenal FC. Around 20 million €. I don't understand why Wenger signs that much winger. Gervinho and Alex last year, Podolski and Cazorla this year. IMO Arsenal need side backs. Sagna is great but he has no back up, Santos isn't more than decent.

MaliBrah · Post #866 » by **MaliBrah** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:59 pm

Massimo wrote:

hahah

.... sighs

MaliBrah · Post #867 » by **MaliBrah** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:04 pm

Chandler Bing wrote:
IronChef wrote:Jog on.

What's your point? Ashley Cole sold out and joined the Chelsea money revolution which ruined football. Good on him, I guess. At least he's a class act, right?

Troll elsewhere.

Chelsea aren't ruining football. Neither are Manchester City, PSG, Malaga, or Anzhi.

North American owners; The men who buy teams on debt and try to make money off them are ruining football.

Owning a football team is not a business venture. It's a privilege.

No No , they're ruining football. It's not so much about the skill anymore but rather the transfer and wage dollars you have available. Chelsea started this disease and now the teams you've listed are just carrying it along.

Post #868 » by **magik9113** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:13 pm

nmabdi28 wrote:
Chandler Bing wrote:
IronChef wrote:Jog on.

What's your point? Ashley Cole sold out and joined the Chelsea money revolution which ruined football. Good on him, I guess. At least he's a class act, right?

Troll elsewhere.

Chelsea aren't ruining football. Neither are Manchester City, PSG, Malaga, or Anzhi.

North American owners; The men who buy teams on debt and try to make money off them are ruining football.

Owning a football team is not a business venture. It's a privilege.

No No , they're ruining football. It's not so much about the skill anymore but rather the transfer and wage dollars you have available. Chelsea started this disease and now the teams you've listed are just carrying it along.

not so much about the skill anymore? you think Man City won the EPL without skill? I understand your frustration, and won't even bother picking a side in this debate, but the money is there to buy players who have skill.
who knows...maybe every little club now can have the hope that in two years some foreign owner bajillionaire can turn their team into a powerhouse.

Massimo · Post #869 » by **Massimo** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:20 pm

IronChef wrote:
Massimo wrote:

hahah

Jog on.

What's your point? Ashley Cole sold out and joined the Chelsea money revolution which ruined football. Good on him, I guess. At least he's a class act, right?

Troll elsewhere.

Instead of getting mad at me, get mad at your team's management and the coach.

Your management is bunch of idiots who can't keep the good, talented players in the club. They let Arsene Wenger to destroy the team every single year.

Also, your coach is the one who has been making tons of mistakes year after year. Go to him and tell him, young talents would never ever win anything! You can't rely on them because since they know that Arsenal is a great team for them to show their talents, they play well, get the experience, once they think they are completed players, they leave right away

jerrod · Post #870 » by **jerrod** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:19 am

Chandler Bing wrote:
Owning a football team is not a business venture. It's a privilege.

no, it's a business venture.

i'm not one of those people that whine about what's ruining the game, but if something is ruining it, it's teams spending way beyond their means and ending up going bankrupt. that happens because teams aren't run as businesses.

Ted Lasso · Post #871 » by **Ted Lasso** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:37 am

jerrod wrote:
Chandler Bing wrote:
Owning a football team is not a business venture. It's a privilege.

no, it's a business venture.

i'm not one of those people that whine about what's ruining the game, but if something is ruining it, it's teams spending way beyond their means and ending up going bankrupt. that happens because teams aren't run as businesses.

Football teams aren't meant to be run as profitable businesses. I understand if we've gotten to the point where owners don't want to invest in clubs. Your goal can be to break even. But that is it. You buy a club on debt or make money off it, and you're stealing from its fortunes and potential success. This isn't the NBA.

I'd rather have a hundred Real Madrids or Manchester Citys than another Arsenal or Manchester United.

MaliBrah · Post #872 » by **MaliBrah** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:04 am

magik9113 wrote:
nmabdi28 wrote:No No , they're ruining football. It's not so much about the skill anymore but rather the transfer and wage dollars you have available. Chelsea started this disease and now the teams you've listed are just carrying it along.

not so much about the skill anymore? you think Man City won the EPL without skill? I understand your frustration, and won't even bother picking a side in this debate, but the money is there to buy players who have skill.
who knows...maybe every little club now can have the hope that in two years some foreign owner bajillionaire can turn their team into a powerhouse.

Don't get me wrong they did have a great side that won that title , but let me correct my self , all they did really was splurge cash , hand out high wages to get players to buy in to the idea of playing for man city a team players weren't exactly running towards to play for before the $$$ came in. Titles are basically won by the owners cheque books now and not so much what happens on the field

On topic though , Football is being ruined by these monster clubs driving the valuation of literally every single player up , every single player now you either have to get really lucky or you have to pay monster wages. Clubs asking for ridiculous fee's and some clubs even paying those ridiculous fee's you have agents making money of these huge clubs having huge influence on where their player signs by how much money clubs fork out to him let alone the player... You have tottenham asking for a monster transfer fee for luka modric , asking for literrally what 2 times his worth?

MaliBrah · Post #873 » by **MaliBrah** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:09 am

Anyways back to AFC , heavy rumours linking arsenal with santi cazorla , never really seen him play anyone want to give me the low down on him?

IronChef · Post #874 » by **IronChef** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:02 am

Chandler Bing wrote:
jerrod wrote:
Chandler Bing wrote:
Owning a football team is not a business venture. It's a privilege.

no, it's a business venture.

i'm not one of those people that whine about what's ruining the game, but if something is ruining it, it's teams spending way beyond their means and ending up going bankrupt. that happens because teams aren't run as businesses.

Football teams aren't meant to be run as profitable businesses. I understand if we've gotten to the point where owners don't want to invest in clubs. Your goal can be to break even. But that is it. You buy a club on debt or make money off it, and you're stealing from its fortunes and potential success. This isn't the NBA.

I'd rather have a hundred Real Madrids or Manchester Citys than another Arsenal or Manchester United.

Really? How have the Glazers and Kroenke ruined football? I can't say I'm a big fan of his, but Kroenke hasn't changed club policy, or anything significant to impact other clubs. Hell, he's only been the majority owner for the a year now. I'd take him over super-rich Usmanov any day.

I'm not saying clubs should be run for profit, but they should be self sustaining. Not reliant on massive sums of money from the owner to compete.

IronChef · Post #875 » by **IronChef** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:03 pm

nmabdi28 wrote:Anyways back to AFC , heavy rumours linking arsenal with santi cazorla , never really seen him play anyone want to give me the low down on him?

It's looking more and more likely he could be coming to Arsenal. Would be the creative, advanced mid we need to take Cesc's old role. Especially since it looks like Rosicky will miss the start of the season. He'd be a very good fit, he's versatile and can play anywhere in midfield, or on the wing. Only knock against him is size really. Great set-piece taker, great passer, high workrate. Really hoping we get him.

jerrod · Post #876 » by **jerrod** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:35 pm

Chandler Bing wrote:
I'd rather have a hundred Real Madrids or Manchester Citys than another Arsenal or Manchester United.

that's ridiculous. though.

100 madrids would mean there are no madrids. if the top 100 clubs in the world could all afford to spend like that, it would eliminate the massive gap between the top 6 or 7 and the teams they play against in their domestic league.

jerrod · Post #877 » by **jerrod** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:37 pm

i don't know anything about him, but i love any attempt to replace fabregas with a similar player. which is the only reason i loved the arteta signing at the time.

i like this trend toward signing players in their prime, it's more expensive in the front and back ends but it's so much less of a gamble.

MaliBrah · Post #878 » by **MaliBrah** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:12 am

IronChef wrote:
nmabdi28 wrote:Anyways back to AFC , heavy rumours linking arsenal with santi cazorla , never really seen him play anyone want to give me the low down on him?

It's looking more and more likely he could be coming to Arsenal. Would be the creative, advanced mid we need to take Cesc's old role. Especially since it looks like Rosicky will miss the start of the season. He'd be a very good fit, he's versatile and can play anywhere in midfield, or on the wing. Only knock against him is size really. Great set-piece taker, great passer, high workrate. Really hoping we get him.

great to hear , hoping we lock him up soon and get that deal done with and find a way to keep robin.

Love that were adding players already developed with some room to take their games to the next level instead of just investing in youth and hoping they take the step forward , if we can lock this up all we need now really is a 4th centreback (don't trust dgorou) and some fullback cover preferably at right back or a versatile one that can play both flanks because I think the leftback position is still up for grabs. If a player can provide all that and is versatile across the back 4 for spot duty all around then go for him. Backup keeper is needed as well

IronChef · Post #879 » by **IronChef** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:13 am

I don't see how RvP could consider the club unambitious if we add Podolski, Giroud, and Cazorla, this summer. Especially since Wenger has said he's still looking to bring in players.

I can't see us signing another CB. I don't know if we'd be able to find a CB much better than Djourou who would be willing to come in and be behind Vermaelan, Koscielny, and Mertesacker. Kyle Bartley has been promoted to the first team as well, so he offers an alternative if Djourou poos the bed again.

MaliBrah · Post #880 » by **MaliBrah** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:01 am

Seriously if we land cazorla after signing podolski and giroud , with wilshere coming back ,possibly diaby might be of use , and literally everyone else on the roster that plays looking to be on the rise we'd be making some serious ground on united and city. If he wants to still leave at this point then its just a money grab. Now if he leaves us after getting cazorla(assumption) and heads to juve I will be shocked....