Rockets Signs Lin

Zubby · Post #381 » by **Zubby** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:28 pm

^^ Those are best pg... best PLAYER in the league type numbers

JVGDietCoke · Post #382 » by **JVGDietCoke** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:53 pm

Lin will be great offensively for you guys but defensively he gets slaughtered.

Line1108 · Post #383 » by **Line1108** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:03 pm

JVGDietCoke wrote:Lin will be great offensively for you guys but defensively he gets slaughtered.

Really? Stats points to an average defender with exceptional take away ability.

Bill Bradley · Post #384 » by **Bill Bradley** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:20 pm

JVGDietCoke wrote:Lin will be great offensively for you guys but defensively he gets slaughtered.

Have you ever watched him play?

MaxRider · Post #385 » by **MaxRider** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:17 pm

we don't care how Lin is on offense and defense
we just want to tank and at the same time sell tickets and make money from broadcasting rockets game in asia

JVGDietCoke · Post #386 » by **JVGDietCoke** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:45 pm

No I felt like making this post on the Houston board out of nowhere. Yes he has quick hands and will get steals but he can't guard a trash can. Makes Steve Nash look like Tony Allen

MaxRider · Post #387 » by **MaxRider** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:58 pm

JVGDietCoke wrote:No I felt like making this post on the Houston board out of nowhere. Yes he has quick hands and will get steals but he can't guard a trash can. Makes Steve Nash look like Tony Allen

we don't care

HolyMage110 · Post #388 » by **HolyMage110** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:46 am

I can't wait to see lowry versus lin. :lol:

Lowry is going to make him look silly.

MaxRider · Post #389 » by **MaxRider** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:11 am

HolyMage110 wrote:I can't wait to see lowry versus lin.
Lowry is going to make him look silly.

?????
did you mean lowry vs dragic?
he's the one took his starting job

EGarrett · Post #390 » by **EGarrett** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:20 am

JVGDietCoke wrote:No I felt like making this post on the Houston board out of nowhere. Yes he has quick hands and will get steals but he can't guard a trash can. Makes Steve Nash look like Tony Allen

You have no idea what you're talking about.

aznkillabeezZz · Post #391 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:20 pm

JVGDietCoke wrote:No I felt like making this post on the Houston board out of nowhere. Yes he has quick hands and will get steals but he can't guard a trash can. Makes Steve Nash look like Tony Allen

Wait till u see old Kidd and fat Felton run the point for the Knicks. They can't defend jack squat and the Wnba players can outrun them.

inquisitive · Post #392 » by **inquisitive** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:55 pm

so now we get the full story and sequence of events about what happened this summer:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81793 ... n-lin-camp

Leaguepass · Post #393 » by **Leaguepass** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:30 pm

inquisitive wrote:so now we get the full story and sequence of events about what happened this summer:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81793 ... n-lin-camp

Sounds about right but at the same time there isn't anything new in this article. The bottom line is that the Knicks never thought that Lin was worth paying a harsh luxury tax penalty in the third year of his contract. That's really the only thing consistant that you can draw from their behavior,actions,rumors and all the articles written on this subject.
I personally love Lin and hope he succeeds in Houston--I have zero hard feelings towards Lin/Rockets or Knick organization. IMO every side did what they were supposed to do really. Rockets got a guy selling tickets while rebuilding,Lin got largest possible deal and the Knicks made the financially sane decision.

Ever since linsanity and teams adopting to Lin's game there was the writing on the wall(IMHO) that Lin is probably overhyped. It wasn't just the Miami game...After Linsanity he had like 8 games against strong defenders and he really didn't play well in any of them. Some were ok, some were pretty terrible....against Philly he shot 4-17 once, and 5-18 the second time, against Chicago 4-11, against Boston 6-16, against Dallas 4-13, against Min and Rubio 8-24, not to mention the infamous Miami game where he shot 1-11 , he had 42 assists vs. 34 turnovers in those games.......I saw every single game and at times he had trouble bringing the ball up. IMO Lin made (for him) the absolute right and logical decision to sit out the playoffs vs. Miami---it would have impacted his earning potential significantly.
The Knicks as a win now team with their main players between 28-40 (lol) it just did not make any sense to develop Lin at the point position hoping that he can withstand high pressure defense and playoff pressure. Our "contending" (contending used very loosely here) window is just way too narrow to have our starting PG needing 2-3 years to figure it out---by that time Amar'e will be a shell of his former self and Chandler might also not be the motor that he is today. Felton at 3-4 is the definition of mediocre but at least you know that even under high defensive pressure he can provide solid PG play.

MaxRider · Post #394 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:11 pm

lin is living in mosaic building

adrenaLINe · Post #395 » by **adrenaLINe** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:00 pm

Leaguepass wrote:
inquisitive wrote:so now we get the full story and sequence of events about what happened this summer:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81793 ... n-lin-camp

Sounds about right but at the same time there isn't anything new in this article. The bottom line is that the Knicks never thought that Lin was worth paying a harsh luxury tax penalty in the third year of his contract. That's really the only thing consistant that you can draw from their behavior,actions,rumors and all the articles written on this subject.
I personally love Lin and hope he succeeds in Houston--I have zero hard feelings towards Lin/Rockets or Knick organization. IMO every side did what they were supposed to do really. Rockets got a guy selling tickets while rebuilding,Lin got largest possible deal and the Knicks made the financially sane decision.

Ever since linsanity and teams adopting to Lin's game there was the writing on the wall(IMHO) that Lin is probably overhyped. It wasn't just the Miami game...After Linsanity he had like 8 games against strong defenders and he really didn't play well in any of them. Some were ok, some were pretty terrible....against Philly he shot 4-17 once, and 5-18 the second time, against Chicago 4-11, against Boston 6-16, against Dallas 4-13, against Min and Rubio 8-24, not to mention the infamous Miami game where he shot 1-11 , he had 42 assists vs. 34 turnovers in those games.......I saw every single game and at times he had trouble bringing the ball up. IMO Lin made (for him) the absolute right and logical decision to sit out the playoffs vs. Miami---it would have impacted his earning potential significantly.
The Knicks as a win now team with their main players between 28-40 (lol) it just did not make any sense to develop Lin at the point position hoping that he can withstand high pressure defense and playoff pressure. Our "contending" (contending used very loosely here) window is just way too narrow to have our starting PG needing 2-3 years to figure it out---by that time Amar'e will be a shell of his former self and Chandler might also not be the motor that he is today. Felton at 3-4 is the definition of mediocre but at least you know that even under high defensive pressure he can provide solid PG play.

yes lets pretend Felton has faced anywhere near the game planning for him , like Lin did...

hard doubles against Lin in some cases right up to half court...

your talking as if these strong defenders went up against Lin 1 on 1 every single play when in fact it was mostly hard doubles

Leaguepass · Post #396 » by **Leaguepass** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:05 pm

Sorry but I have a different view....especially the Philly games/Boston game and partly Chicago/Dallas games he was played one on one often and could barely initiate the offense.

I've nothing against the guy and hope he succeeds but IMHO the Knicks' decision to let him go will be viewed as the right one 1 year from now. Doesn't mean he's gonna be a bust or anything...I just don't think he's anywhere close to being a top 10 PG, not now and my feeling is that he won't be there in the future as well.
Whenever you play the PG position and have mediocre quickness, mediocre athleticism and below average ball handling skills along with a mediocre shot ,you are gonna struggle. Not saying he can't improve on these things but in order to come anywhere near his hype he'd have to really make a significant jump in all these categories....call me a sceptic but I'll be rooting for him anyways.....it's almost as if you've watched a Hollywood movie but halted 30 minutes before the end......

Bill Bradley · Post #397 » by **Bill Bradley** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:18 pm

Leaguepass wrote:Sorry but I have a different view....especially the Philly games/Boston game and partly Chicago/Dallas games he was played one on one often and could barely initiate the offense.
Whenever you play the PG position and have mediocre quickness, mediocre athleticism and below average ball handling skills along with a mediocre shot ,you are gonna struggle.

So where do you rank Felton in those areas? He is a better ball handler than Lin but that's about it.

People who bash Lin for the Miami game or for his turnovers are just seeing what they want to see. Anyone who watched the games knew that Lin was breaking down physically because D'Antoni "rode him like Secretariat" (D'Antoni's own words). D'Antoni was playing him ridiculous minutes after he had gotten no PT prior to that.

I can't wait until the games start and we go from the theoretical to reality. It will be interesting to see the excuses you make when the Knicks and Rockets have similar records and when Prigioni takes over Felton's starting spot.

Leaguepass · Post #398 » by **Leaguepass** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:30 pm

I'm personally really rooting for Lin to succeed. I rather have him succeed and our FO look bad than vice versa. I genuinely like the guy so I'm not trying to make excuses or something. Felton is quicker and has a better handle and IMO is the better defender (if motivated). Lin is pretty much the clearly better offensive player in terms of scoring,shooting,shooting FTs etc.---I think there is no question that at 4mill. Lin would have been the easy choice but when you have to decide between giving Felton 3.5mill. a year and Lin 8.5 mill. I think it is not too farfetched to argue in favor of going with Felton. Again, I would have liked the Knicks to match Lin instead of signing Felton but at the same time I can definitely understand the Knicks point of view here. There are remaining question marks surrounding Lin's ability to handle high pressure defense while with Felton you have the more experienced version there.
I don't know if I have made my point of view clear but I look at it like this.....If I had the choice between Irving and Nash I'd take Irving 10/10 times....but for ONE or two playoff runs?I'd go with Nash, especially if he'd cost less than half the money.

BTW I also think that Lin was wearing down to a certain extent but to argue that this was the main reason for his struggles is wrong IMO. If you look at his game log you can clearly see that after Linsanity there was no steady decline. It went like this ---bad game,good game, bad game , bad game, good game , good game....it just happened that his good games were against mediocre or bad teams while his bad game were mostly against strong defenders.

Pubsaint · Post #399 » by **Pubsaint** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:31 am

Bill Bradley wrote:
Leaguepass wrote:Sorry but I have a different view....especially the Philly games/Boston game and partly Chicago/Dallas games he was played one on one often and could barely initiate the offense.
Whenever you play the PG position and have mediocre quickness, mediocre athleticism and below average ball handling skills along with a mediocre shot ,you are gonna struggle.

Somebody really sound like Stephan A. Smith. :lol:

Ya, Lin is quick, and all scouts only describe him "deceptively quick". Quickness is quickness, there is nothing called "deceptively quick". The reason people say he is deceptively quick is because they don't think he is supposed to be quick.

If he is only mediocre, how can he successfully penetrate as often as he did in every game he played? I am just shocked that some people just don't want to believe when certain facts happened right in front of their eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inarvjDJuHo

Bill Bradley · Post #400 » by **Bill Bradley** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:17 am

Leaguepass wrote:I'm personally really rooting for Lin to succeed. I rather have him succeed and our FO look bad than vice versa. I genuinely like the guy so I'm not trying to make excuses or something. Felton is quicker and has a better handle and IMO is the better defender (if motivated). Lin is pretty much the clearly better offensive player in terms of scoring,shooting,shooting FTs etc.---I think there is no question that at 4mill. Lin would have been the easy choice but when you have to decide between giving Felton 3.5mill. a year and Lin 8.5 mill. I think it is not too farfetched to argue in favor of going with Felton. Again, I would have liked the Knicks to match Lin instead of signing Felton but at the same time I can definitely understand the Knicks point of view here. There are remaining question marks surrounding Lin's ability to handle high pressure defense while with Felton you have the more experienced version there.
I don't know if I have made my point of view clear but I look at it like this.....If I had the choice between Irving and Nash I'd take Irving 10/10 times....but for ONE or two playoff runs?I'd go with Nash, especially if he'd cost less than half the money.

BTW I also think that Lin was wearing down to a certain extent but to argue that this was the main reason for his struggles is wrong IMO. If you look at his game log you can clearly see that after Linsanity there was no steady decline. It went like this ---bad game,good game, bad game , bad game, good game , good game....it just happened that his good games were against mediocre or bad teams while his bad game were mostly against strong defenders.

Under no circumstances is choosing Felton over Lin a good move, especially when you consider the fact that the Knicks are over the cap either way. Anyways, I think everyone is in agreement that this was not about money.

Felton is not quicker and is not a better defender, and anytime you have to include an "if motivated" after your statement, you know that you are on shaky ground.

Comparing Felton to Nash in any analogy is beyond absurd. Listen, nobody wanted Felton. Better PGs were signed for the minimum.

If you believe your own arguments, why would you want Lin to make management look bad? According to your logic, they made the right move. Sounds to me like you are trying to convince yourself that it was all for the best as a Knicks fan. It was not.