Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLII Off-Season Edition)

[pogiro]

Yeah Jameer's contract is really gonna bite us in the ass. His contract was as pointless as Richardson's. Maybe even worse. Same reason too "we can't find anyone better". Actually in both cases we probably could easily

How the hell can you compare Jameer's contract to Richardson's?

First off, we have a better SG than Richardson on roster in J.J. You don't like Jameer? Our alternative on roster was Duhon.

Second, Jameer's contract is half the length of Richardson's contract.

Third, Jameer is better than Richardson.

So you have this and you think Jameer's contract could be WORSE than Richardson's??? Do you guys have a supply bank of irrational and empty Jameer criticisms stashed somewhere?

[TSKD000]

Why is everyone freaking out about Jameer's contract?? it's not like he just got a 5 year MAX deal. He got paid 5 million for his production and the rest for loyalty/leadership...he and BBD should be our captains this season regardless if Howard stays or goes. People saying we should have signed all these other PGs, last time i checked we had no cap space...It is only a two year contract basically so get over it.

[The Real Dalic]

You are saying Turk and Duhon is crap but Meer is good XD give me a break...
they all suck...

"Duuuuurrrr jameer sucks." (Now to distract them from my ineptness with a big picture of cat)
Very deep analysis, thank you for making us all a little dumber.

you dont really have to cry about each Meer comment I make
want a napkin?

It's tissue.

[Furinkazan]

yeh like I said
you guys are so emo about Meer you blow out of proportion each single negative comment about him ^^


any negative comment bout Meer = Meer fans grp for Gangbang

What did I blow out of proportion? Just pointing out your baseless Jameer bashing.

yes its baseless
we got a great PG and OMG SO CHEAP
happy now?



no matter what facts will we all bring
at the end

Everyone is entitled to his own opinions.

[G-Heel]

So... anyone know for sure what's Jameer contract?

[toquito]

Yeah Jameer's contract is really gonna bite us in the ass. His contract was as pointless as Richardson's. Maybe even worse. Same reason too "we can't find anyone better". Actually in both cases we probably could easily

How the hell can you compare Jameer's contract to Richardson's?

First off, we have a better SG than Richardson on roster in J.J. You don't like Jameer? Our alternative on roster was Duhon.

Second, Jameer's contract is half the length of Richardson's contract.

Third, Jameer is better than Richardson.

So you have this and you think Jameer's contract could be WORSE than Richardson's??? Do you guys have a supply bank of irrational and empty Jameer criticisms stashed somewhere?

Because of the situation. When we signed Richardson at the time we were still trying to compete. Also the consensus around the league was that J-rich was far better than JJ, and just was having trouble finding his shot. What are we re-signing Nelson for? Duhon doesn't have to start well that's great but who cares? If were going to rebuild that's what we want.

[eyriq]

Meer still has fans outside of Magic ownership?

If this is the status quo going into next season I'll predict 48 wins. Howard will play at a superstar level, Ayon at a borderline all star level in limited minutes, Redick and Nelson at a solid starter level, JRich at a quality rotation player level, and the rookies, Duhon, and Baby at a below average level.

[mhectorgato]

yeh like I said
you guys are so emo about Meer you blow out of proportion each single negative comment about him ^^


any negative comment bout Meer = Meer fans grp for Gangbang

What did I blow out of proportion? Just pointing out your baseless Jameer bashing.

yes its baseless
we got a great PG and OMG SO CHEAP
happy now?

no matter what facts will we all bring
at the end

No one is really saying that, except for you.

People are saying that he's good for us (in a leadership role). Others are saying that overpaying him is partly because it's a mutual appreciation/respect.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinions.

Very true.

It's just that some people (not directly it solely at you) state their opinions as if it were fact, and then bash players/FO based on that (and lack of facts).

[mhectorgato]

Meer still has fans outside of Magic ownership?

If this is the status quo going into next season I'll predict 48 wins. Howard will play at a superstar level, Ayon at a borderline all star level in limited minutes, Redick and Nelson at a solid starter level, JRich at a quality rotation player level, and the rookies, Duhon, and Baby at a below average level.

It would appear that Henny's pitch to Howard is to not to focus on this off-season/next year, but the following off-season. It would be build something lasting and not the way we did previously with Otis, swapping pieces in/out season after season.

[pogiro]

yeh like I said
you guys are so emo about Meer you blow out of proportion each single negative comment about him ^^


any negative comment bout Meer = Meer fans grp for Gangbang

What did I blow out of proportion? Just pointing out your baseless Jameer bashing.

yes its baseless
we got a great PG and OMG SO CHEAP
happy now?



no matter what facts will we all bring
at the end

Everyone is entitled to his own opinions.

Pretty sure you're getting more emo than me about this. If you can't have a simple basketball conversation based on facts and resist temptation to exaggerate what you read and say, and not want to get arguments in return, then maybe a basketball discussion board is not a place you want to be.

[Furinkazan]

Why is everyone freaking out about Jameer's contract?? it's not like he just got a 5 year MAX deal. He got paid 5 million for his production and the rest for loyalty/leadership...he and BBD should be our captains this season regardless if Howard stays or goes. People saying we should have signed all these other PGs, last time i checked we had no cap space...It is only a two year contract basically so get over it.

I will remind you next summer.
Even though you ppl claim we aim for 2014.

dude
I would resign him and reward for being a good soldier...
hell ...give him 120 mil a year XD( I dont care its not from my pocket)...as long its a one year deal...not 2-3
this season is lost no matter what roster we assemble...so I really dont care
but we outbid ourselves again...
none would give him better contract
lets keep overpaying and outbid ourselves...
Im sure it will help
we propably have most expensive pair of medicore pgs in the league locked for next 2-3 years

[mhectorgato]

So... anyone know for sure what's Jameer contract?

Sham, Hoopshype and Storytellers still have TBD.

It's just Hoopsworld at the moment reporting a salary.

[TSKD000]

Nelson/FA
JJ/JRich/Liggins
Hedo/Clark/Q
BBD/Nicholson/Harper
Howard/Ayon/O'Quinn

add a PG to backup Jameer and that team still wins 50 games. We actually have front court depth.

[The Effect]

Nelson/FA
JJ/JRich/Liggins
Hedo/Clark/Q
BBD/Nicholson/Harper
Howard/Ayon/O'Quinn

add a PG to backup Jameer and that team still wins 50 games. We actually have front court depth.

Dwight+any 4 NBA players is a 50 win team

[pogiro]

Yeah Jameer's contract is really gonna bite us in the ass. His contract was as pointless as Richardson's. Maybe even worse. Same reason too "we can't find anyone better". Actually in both cases we probably could easily

How the hell can you compare Jameer's contract to Richardson's?

First off, we have a better SG than Richardson on roster in J.J. You don't like Jameer? Our alternative on roster was Duhon.

Second, Jameer's contract is half the length of Richardson's contract.

Third, Jameer is better than Richardson.

So you have this and you think Jameer's contract could be WORSE than Richardson's??? Do you guys have a supply bank of irrational and empty Jameer criticisms stashed somewhere?

Because of the situation. When we signed Richardson at the time we were still trying to compete. Also the consensus around the league was that J-rich was far better than JJ, and just was having trouble finding his shot. What are we re-signing Nelson for? Duhon doesn't have to start well that's great but who cares? If were going to rebuild that's what we want.

The situation was pretty much the same as this year. Dwight had already made his trade demand. I remember wondering why JRich was kept and Big Baby was brought in with a longer contract than Bass. And I don't care about consensus around the league. It was pretty obvious to Magic fans who pay attention that Jrich is not a big step up from J.J.

And I guess if you want to put the worst possible team on the court, then there's no point to the rest of this conversation.

[Blue_and_Whte]

You are saying Turk and Duhon is crap but Meer is good XD give me a break...
they all suck...

"Duuuuurrrr jameer sucks." (Now to distract them from my ineptness with a big picture of cat)
Very deep analysis, thank you for making us all a little dumber.

you dont really have to cry about each Meer comment I make
want a napkin?

A napkin? You're accusing me of cry not eating a burger. If you're going to try to insult someone at least do it right. Damn dude.

[mhectorgato]

The situation was pretty much the same as this year. Dwight had already made his trade demand. I remember wondering why JRich was kept and Big Baby was brought in with a longer contract than Bass. And I don't care about consensus around the league. It was pretty obvious to Magic fans who pay attention that Jrich is not a big step up from J.J.

And I guess if you want to put the worst possible team on the court, then there's no point to the rest of this conversation.

My guess is that BBD & JRich moves was for the Fegan/D12 tandem.

[TSKD000]

Why is everyone freaking out about Jameer's contract?? it's not like he just got a 5 year MAX deal. He got paid 5 million for his production and the rest for loyalty/leadership...he and BBD should be our captains this season regardless if Howard stays or goes. People saying we should have signed all these other PGs, last time i checked we had no cap space...It is only a two year contract basically so get over it.

I will remind you next summer.
Even though you ppl claim we aim for 2014.

dude
I would resign him and reward for being a good soldier...
hell ...give him 120 mil a year XD( I dont care its not from my pocket)...as long its a one year deal...not 2-3
this season is lost no matter what roster we assemble...so I really dont care
but we outbid ourselves again...
none would give him better contract
lets keep overpaying and outbid ourselves...
Im sure it will help
we propably have most expensive pair of medicore pgs in the league locked for next 2-3 years

So if we trade Howard and rebuild, why does it matter? And if we keep Howard who says it is Hennigan's plan to sign Ellis or Iggy or Josh Smith next summer? That might be our plan but we have no idea what his plan is. So i will hold judgment. I agree that this year is probably a lost year. But next year if Howard walks and going into 2014 JJ will be gone, Hedo/Duhon will have expired and Jameer will be an expiring contract. So in the summer of '14 these are the contracts on the books...

JRich - $6.6 mill
BBD - $6.6 mill
Nicholson - $1.6 mill
Jameer - ?

And all 4 are expiring contracts at that point.
Plenty of cap space to throw at big FAs in Summer of '14
Hennigan can completely start over from scratch. Maybe that is his plan if he doesnt deal with HOU now.

[MagicFan41]

Alex Kennedy: Jameer Nelson got paid. He'll make $8.6 mil in 12-13, $8.6 mil in 13-14, $8 mil in 14-15. Last year is only partially guaranteed, but still. Twitter

[Skin]

Meer still has fans outside of Magic ownership?

If this is the status quo going into next season I'll predict 48 wins. Howard will play at a superstar level, Ayon at a borderline all star level in limited minutes, Redick and Nelson at a solid starter level, JRich at a quality rotation player level, and the rookies, Duhon, and Baby at a below average level.

It would appear that Henny's pitch to Howard is to not to focus on this off-season/next year, but the following off-season. It would be build something lasting and not the way we did previously with Otis, swapping pieces in/out season after season.

Better hope the rumors of Jameer's contract aren't true then. Cause I don't see how we have a lot of cap flexibility next offseason if we can't dump Hedo's contract on someone without trading Dwight.