Trade Rumors Thread - Brewers Open for Business (30)

[jr lucosa]

Maybe we'll get my guy De Aza

There is worse we could do, given that De Aza is under team control for like 4 more years...but he's not that great of a prospect. Not a whole lot better than Nyjer Morgan's abilities outside of power. Oh, and he's already 28.

Yeah I definitely wouldn't love a trade centered around him, although I'm pretty sure he's been better than Nyjer. Too lazy to look up the stats at work but i'm pretty sure he had an OBP of .400 last year and was close to the same this year last I checked.

[LUKE23]

Trade for the best prospects regardless of what level they are currently at

Fixed

[Kerb Hohl]

Maybe we'll get my guy De Aza

There is worse we could do, given that De Aza is under team control for like 4 more years...but he's not that great of a prospect. Not a whole lot better than Nyjer Morgan's abilities outside of power. Oh, and he's already 28.

Yeah I definitely wouldn't love a trade centered around him, although I'm pretty sure he's been better than Nyjer. Too lazy to look up the stats at work but i'm pretty sure he had an OBP of .400 last year and was close to the same this year last I checked.

Yeah, in 54 games last year he had a .400 OBP. His career is .342.

Nyjer has had several .375 OBP seasons (where he played most of the season) and has the exact same .342 career OBP.

De Aza is Morgan-ish at his younger age (very similar...both didn't surface in the MLB and really start every day until their late 20s). De Aza has a slight bit more power and doesn't have as big of a R/L contrast. He hits pretty well against righties and not horrible against lefties. Obviously Nyjer only can hit righties.

[ReasonablySober]

Haudricourt mentions Perez and Grimm as guys we're scouting in the Rangers system. I think most know about Perez but Grimm is a Thornburg type. 92-95 mph FB, plus curve, below average change with command issues. Upside is a #3, floor is a late innings reliever. Doesn't walk many.

[Ryan5UW]

Trade Greinke, KRod, Kottaras, Gomez. Keep ARam and Hart. Trade for prospects ready to make an impact at the ML level next year. This team doesn't need a rebuild, it needs a slight restock.

No, trade for the best prospects. I don't want them taking a lesser deal because they are close to the majors.

Trade for the best prospects that will be ready to play for the Milwaukee Brewers next season.

That's the same ridiculous philosophy that has the Bucks stuck in permanent mediocrity.

[mlloyd10]

Haudricourt mentions Perez and Grimm as guys we're scouting in the Rangers system. I think most know about Perez but Grimm is a Thornburg type. 92-95 mph FB, plus curve, below average change with command issues. Upside is a #3, floor is a late innings reliever. Doesn't walk many.

Perez and Olt for Grienke......Get it done

[ReasonablySober]

Can we stop comparing scouting in the NBA as if it's even remotely close to MLB? Like I said in that other thread, a year ago Dominic Brown was a top five prospect in all of baseball. Now he looks like a longshot to ever be an MLB regular. Profar was a fringe top 100 prospect, now he's the #1 overall. The best player in baseball fell to the end of the first round a few years ago.

We could trade for Mike Olt, a guy almost universally thought of as as the top available position prospect and he could bomb because that's what happens in the MLB. There aren't any sure things.

[El Duderino]

Can we stop comparing scouting in the NBA as if it's even remotely close to MLB? Like I said in that other thread, a year ago Dominic Brown was a top five prospect in all of baseball. Now he looks like a longshot to ever be an MLB regular. Profar was a fringe top 100 prospect, now he's the #1 overall. The best player in baseball fell to the end of the first round a few years ago.

We could trade for Mike Olt, a guy almost universally thought of as as the top available position prospect and he could bomb because that's what happens in the MLB. There aren't any sure things.

Every time i see highlights of Mike Trout dominating MLB pitching at such a young age, i think back to after that 2009 draft and remember Patrick from Brewerfan saying that Trout was at the top of their draft board and thus were very disappointed when Trout was picked by the Angels just one pick before the Brewers could take him. We ended up with Eric Arnett instead. What a gut punch.

I liken it a bit to Ron Wolf and i believe it was also John Dorsey who both brought up the John Michaels pick as their most frustrating draft moment. Both said they had intended to take LB Ray Lewis and even had his name on the to draft card, but were stunned when Baltimore took him the pick before because their were no rumors the Ravens were after Lewis. I think Wolf also said that was the most frazzled he ever had gotten in a draft room as a GM and after the draft was over, he had to do some self evaluation so something like that never happened to him again.

[BUCKnation]

Yeah, its crazy to imagine what this team would be like with both Trout and Braun

[kid idioteque]

Yeah, its crazy to imagine what this team would be like with both Trout and Braun

With this bullpen? Not so much.

[WEFFPIM]

That's the same ridiculous philosophy that has the Bucks stuck in permanent mediocrity.

An incredibly misguided, but predictable comparison. The Bucks are clouding most people's perspective, thinking that a below average year for the Brewers means OH MY ****ING GOD SELL EVERYONE!!!! THIS TEAM IS DOOMED, I TELL YOU!!! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!! When in reality, all this team really needs to sort out is the pitching, which you can do with *gasp* Major League ready pitching prospects that are worth a damn!!! A guy like...Randall Delgado!!! A guy many people on this board are a fan of!!! CRAZY TALK, I SAY!!! Then you have Thornburg and Fiers already waiting (more guys people on this board like!!!) behind Gallardo, and maybe that ole Chris Narveson guy coming back and God knows what else after in the pen. It's a bullpen, you see, one that we thought would be pretty good this year but is a complete abortion. Maybe prospects ready to start in the big leagues from a Zack Greinke deal can head there!!! Or the Brewers could sign the corpse of Ray King, if you'd rather.

But you know what? Nevermind. I'm in the wrong. This situation is JUST LIKE THE MILWAUKEE BUCKS. The Brewers are destined to wallow in years and years of mediocrity as the building around them crumbles and their owner puts on snazzy blue blazers. Let us look at scenarios around the Brewers rather than the Brewers themselves, so we can get angry when things don't go our way!!!

Deeeeerrrrrrrppppppppp!!!

[ReasonablySober]

If the Brewers wanted to they could offer Marcum arbitration and bring him back for $12 million. They could pick up Wolf's $10 million option. Next year the rotation is

Gallardo
Marcum
Fiers
Estrada
Wolf

Add Thornburg and Peralata to the pen, make another minor signing and leave the offense the way it is. That's a razor thin rotation but I don't know what else you do WEFFPIM unless you start dealing prospects and that's the absolute last thing I want to do.

So the rotation is average, offense is probably great, bullpen is a total unknown.

We've done the thing where we had the winning season. Then we took the wildcard and then the division. I don't know about others here but I'd like to field a team that can win the World Series and I don't think that's likely in '13. Since that's likely Hart's last year in Milwaukee and Ramirez's last season before he's insanely overpaid I'd rather move them now and constinue to build up the system.

[gbmb34]

If the Brewers wanted to they could offer Marcum arbitration and bring him back for $12 million. They could pick up Wolf's $10 million option. Next year the rotation is

Gallardo
Marcum
Fiers
Estrada
Wolf

Add Thornburg and Peralata to the pen, make another minor signing and leave the offense the way it is. That's a razor thin rotation but I don't know what else you do WEFFPIM unless you start dealing prospects and that's the absolute last thing I want to do.

So the rotation is average, offense is probably great, bullpen is a total unknown.

We've done the thing where we had the winning season. Then we took the wildcard and then the division. I don't know about others here but I'd like to field a team that can win the World Series and I don't think that's likely in '13. Since that's likely Hart's last year in Milwaukee and Ramirez's last season before he's insanely overpaid I'd rather move them now and constinue to build up the system.

If the Brewers want to contend in 2013, it really wouldn't be that difficult.

Trade Greinke for Randall Delgado and Tyler Pastornecky
Offer Marcum a QO and he accepts.
Sign an everyday CF, maybe BJ Upton? They have about 7 mil if MA approves another 100 mil payroll)
Trade for James Shields or Josh Johnson (maybe Thornburg and Jed Bradley?)
Keep Axford, fill out bullpen with retreads. Melvin usually is pretty solid filling in bullpens.
Cheap bench
SS is either a cheap Defensive guy, or maybe Pasternecky is he shows something

Rough sketch.

Rotation
1) Shields/Johnson 8-13
2) Gallardo 8
3) Marcum 12
4) Fiers/Peralta/Estrada/Narveson 1 mil
5)

Rotation 30-35 mil

Lucroy 2
Hart 10
Weeks 10
SS .5
Ramirez 10
Aoki 1.5
CF
Braun 8.5


Starters 40 mil plus CF

Bullpen
Axford 3
8th inning guy 3
other dude 2
400 k guys (Parra, two rotation losers, )
Kintzler? 400k

bullpen 10 mil


Bench

Green .4 mil
Gamel .4 mil
Bianchi .4 mil
random veteran 1 mil
MM .4

bench 3 mil


That team contends in a weak central division, or at least for the WC.

[notoriousTJ11]

The price tag for Greinke is extremely high, interested teams told Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. The Brewers are said to have a particular interest in a top young shortstop, and a source said they asked the Orioles Manny Machado, a request that was rebuffed.

[Captain Erv]

Under no circumstances would I pick up Randy Wolf's option for next year. I could live with bringing Marcum back, but not Wolf.

[LUKE23]

My buddy thinks we can get Profar in a Greinke deal. I told him meth wasn't good for him.

[Kerb Hohl]

8th inning guy 3
other dude 2

Well, you did nail two certainties with that post.

[LUKE23]

JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
Ron Washington told us that Profar is going nowhere but everyone else has to be considered in deal even for a rental this is their WS window

[ReasonablySober]

Still like that we've at least gone after Profar and Machado.

[LUKE23]

At this point, I'd consider Olt + one of their pitchers a great haul. That to me is best realistic case at this point. Olt was the #11 prospect by BA in their report that came out a month ago. He'd be the best bat in our system easily.