Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLII Off-Season Edition)

[rcklsscognition]

IMO, wouldn't surprise me if the Magic agreed to trade Dwight at the end of the season to the Nets if he desired to do so, basically if the Magic didn't win a ring he'd leave. Then a day later, right after he signs away the ETO, the Nets trade their lotto pick to Portland and ruin their chances to acquire Howard in one single move. Magic no longer want to trade to the Nets for that weak package and thus we find ourselves in this situation where Dwight was promised to be moved and hasn't been. Maybe the Magic left it open, saying they'd trade him at some point, not necessarily when.

[trebone]

I would like to see us get Parsons, along with Donatas we need an upgrade from Hedo in the worst way.


In a 3 way scenario with LAL and Houston do you think we could end up with


Bynum/Parsons/Lamb???

Thats a strong and very young core, draft a pg next season and we are set barring injuries.

Jameer
Lamb
Parsons
Nick
Bynum


actually just thought about it and there would be no way

[MitchellUK]

Well one thing i think for certain is if Dwight really does want to go to LA then there isn't room for 2 dominant centers on that team plus Gasol....so maybe the avenue is going to be that 3 team deal with LA/Hou/Orl...everyone seemingly gets what they want.....Dwight gets LA.....Houston gets an All-Star in Bynum to pair with Lin......We get out of Dwightmare with all the fixin's......question is how do we get from here to that point?

For start Hennigan needs to stop pi.ssing everyone off with his indecision. I think Houston will be more open to Bynum since Dwight says there's no way in hell that he will resign with them. Lakers though PO will obviously get over it to get the best center in the league. I think we can still get a pretty good package but won't be able to send out as many bad contracts. I could see the framework somewhat similar to this.

Orlando receives: Martin, Donatas, Jones, Ebanks, McRoberts, and multiple picks.

LA receives: Dwight, Richardson

Houston receives: Bynum, Duhon

Lol, indecision, suggesting that there has been a remotely worthwhile deal on the table. TBH, I think the one you posted above is pretty decent, and I wouldn't be too upset if something like that went down, but I don't believe for a second that anything close to that has been offered yet.

[thelead]

That's because rookies with superstar potential typically get drafted to the WORST teams in the league, and rookies who aren't projected to be very good at all typically go to the best teams in the league (i.e. teams with established starters). You couldn't figure this out for yourself?

No, I understand Houston's position quite well. I was just trying to explain to someone why Houston would be hesitant to make a deadline move for Howard.

Also, the "thelead" took a very hard lined stance suggesting every player on a team that is in play for the #1 pick sucks, which is just ignorant. Charlotte, Sacramento, Washington, New Orleans, Cleveland were all in play for the #1 pick, but that doesn't mean Biyombo, Cousins, Wall, Gordon, and Irving are bad players.

This seems to have been lost on you, as you posted something completely irrelevant and then followed up with a snide statement, that frankly doesn't make much sense.

People are ultra sensitive these days. Your fans have a stance that giving up more than one of your four rookies would be ridiculous. If you really think you have four GREAT rookies plus Lin, Asik, Parsons, and KMart, there is no way you will be in position for that number 1 pick. I'm just saying that it's one or the other, your rookies are okay (maybe one of them turns out to be pretty good) and you are in position to get the number one pick OR your picks are so great that you wouldn't trade them for the best center and you'll be a slightly below average team with little chance to get the number one pick. Which one is it?

[Shishnizzle]

No trade to the Nets is acceptable. Only way I would be willing to trade with L.A is if we can involve a third team. Bynum sucks don't want him. Otherwise I am for rolling the dice. I do not care if Dwight walks if the offers we recieve from all teams other than the Nets suck. I don't care what the Nets offer. It's a no! Dwight can kiss my ass. Prima Donna loyal liar, fake christian. I would love to see that dude walk away from the money to a team that isn't on his list and have to ride the bench all year in Orlando. I have no problem with that. He is free to sign where ever he wants in free agency. He needs to honor the contract he signed.

[dsg2021]

If Hennigan takes the patience route all the way through, then he's waiting 'till Aug. 5th when DM's tradeable and crossing fingers Lamb is not signed yet (aka, agreement in principle). A Lamb, DM, Parsons, TOR, DAL picks, and maybe a far off HOU 1st with some minor protections would be a nice deal for sure like Denver's from Melo. And for HOU, they'll have the power duo of Lin/Dwight and get small contract players of Earl Clark and Q Rich who can replicate Parsons, DM's minutes at just above a stop-gap level of production if necessary, and their pick of either Turk or J Rich for their roster, while they get Dwight or some 3-way/return of Bynum, one-two 2nd round picks (Ebanks later), and not taking on either of J Rich or Turk b/c ORL/LAL swaps J Rich or Turk with MWP.
The worst case acceptable deal has to be Lamb, TOR/DAL/HOU picks, Parsons I think. After Lamb's signed, I think the Magic go towards a mid-season deadline deal instead (if not making Dwight walk), when pretty much every team is back in the trade talks.

Aug. 5th;

Trade 1:
Lamb, Montiejunas, Parsons, TOR 1st, DAL 1st, HOU 2nd, Martin

for

Dwight, Earl Clark, Q Rich, J Rich, (BBD (at HOU's option))

Trade 2:
Lamb, Montiejunas, Parsons, TOR 1st, DAL 1st, MWP

for

Bynum, LAL 2nd, Earl Clark, Q Rich

*LAL- Dwight, J Rich, Duhon

So the first offer will have HOU taking a J Rich for K Martin swap and getting Dwight direct, putting them in the driver seat of seeing how Lin/Dwight play or getting the Bynum/Lopez/Renter offers lined up with J Rich being the sticky contract again. If HOU facilitates to get Bynum early and impress him as the Rockets' Lin/Bynum power duo, then same deal as for Dwight but they don't have to swap K Martin for J Rich (6mil less $ to HOU and Martin is an attractive roster player or trade bait), with LAL instead taking J Rich and Duhon. The only thing I think I'm missing is if Hennigan wants to layer on both J Rich and one more bigger deal like Turk or BBD, but at least BBD is a great rotation player. If you look at many reporters', boards', (Rockets' twitter), and news reports, I think this accurately relegates any increasing leverage to the Rockets by having them take on dramatically less total cap money and having signed off on keeping both White and Jones; before the summer cycle transitions out towards the mid-season deadline trade scenarios and leverage is reset again.

[timgator]

Just about every rookie, even superstars, does not have a huge amount of team success in thier first year.

That's because rookies with superstar potential typically get drafted to the WORST teams in the league, and rookies who aren't projected to be very good at all typically go to the best teams in the league (i.e. teams with established starters). You couldn't figure this out for yourself?

No, I understand Houston's position quite well. I was just trying to explain to someone why Houston would be hesitant to make a deadline move for Howard.

Also, the "thelead" took a very hard lined stance suggesting every player on a team that is in play for the #1 pick sucks, which is just ignorant. Charlotte, Sacramento, Washington, New Orleans, Cleveland were all in play for the #1 pick, but that doesn't mean Biyombo, Cousins, Wall, Gordon, and Irving are bad players.

This seems to have been lost on you, as you posted something completely irrelevant and then followed up with a snide statement, that frankly doesn't make much sense.

No, my comment was pretty relevant. You stated your opinion, which I generally agree with, and I explained why your opinion has merit. It was a very simple and logical analysis.

Also, you are making your own assumptions as to what thelead was implying. Regardless, you agreed with what he said anyway, so I don't understand how you can call him ignorant when he basically spelled everything out for you and you agreed.

Now, as far as the players you mentioned, Biyombo shouldn't even be in the equation because, yes, he pretty much sucks when we're talking about trading for Dwight. But I guess that was the only player you could even consider from your Bobcats example. Second, DM, Lamb, White, Jones, and any other rookie Houston can offer are NOWHERE near the caliber of Cousins, Wall, Gordon, and Irving. Third, outside of Irving, if you don't think Washington, NO, or Sacramento would trade these respective players plus another rookie drafted in the mid- to late- first round for Dwight, if they were looking to rent-to-own Dwight, I would have to assume that you are out of your mind.

Either way, I wasn't trying to debate your opinion on a potential Dwight trade. I was providing an explanation to a statement you made which you tried to use as a basis for your argument.

[rcklsscognition]

Why would Henny fly to LA with no vision for the team? Seems like he was there gathering intel for trades, a trade the FO more than likely promised Dwight back in March. Not necessarily that they'd trade him in the summer no matter what, but more like, sign away the ETO and if you decide this summer you want to move on, we'll trade you. The Magic are backpeddling a bit, getting rid of Stan, hiring a new GM, seeing if Dwight really wants to leave before they pull the trigger on the gun they bought.

[Blue_and_Whte]

MOARRR ROCKETS TRADE SCENERIOS POSTS. lamb and parsons and monpoloilus, and lee and 1sts...OOOOOOR lamb and monoppilus then parsons and 1st..I've seen their names on here so much im sick of them already.

[LarsV8]

I'm just saying that it's one or the other, your rookies are okay (maybe one of them turns out to be pretty good) and you are in position to get the number one pick OR your picks are so great that you wouldn't trade them for the best center and you'll be a slightly below average team with little chance to get the number one pick. Which one is it?

That is false.

The Thunder had Wetbrook, Durant and Ibaka in 2008/2009 and won 23 games. They ultimately got Harden with the 3rd pick I believe.

You can have good young players, even a championship core, and be in play for the #1.

[arsenal6106]

david pingalore ‏@pinglocal6

Official annoucement coming soon from the @Orlando_Magic guess @DwightHoward doesn't really care for Vaughn. http://bit.ly/MLX9Dv

[arsenal6106]

ORLANDO, Fla. -

Local 6 Sports Director David Pingalore learned through NBA sources Thursday that Jacque Vaughn and his representation has and will continue to meet with the DeVos family and is currently ironing out a contract with an official announcement of his head coach position expected very soon.

Pingalore first reported last Saturday that Jacque Vaughn was going to named the Magic's next head coach.

Vaughn, who played for the Magic, was most recently an assistant coach with San Antonio.

Phoenix Suns scout Lindsey Hunter was told last weekend that he was runner-up to Vaughn, Pingalore reported.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Source ... index.html

[rcklsscognition]

ORLANDO, Fla. -

Local 6 Sports Director David Pingalore learned through NBA sources Thursday that Jacque Vaughn and his representation has and will continue to meet with the DeVos family and is currently ironing out a contract with an official announcement of his head coach position expected very soon.

Pingalore first reported last Saturday that Jacque Vaughn was going to named the Magic's next head coach.

Vaughn, who played for the Magic, was most recently an assistant coach with San Antonio.

Phoenix Suns scout Lindsey Hunter was told last weekend that he was runner-up to Vaughn, Pingalore reported.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Source ... index.html

Most anti-climatic event of the offseason.

[arsenal6106]

It looks like we're finally getting a coach!!!!!
In Part 42!!!

[arsenal6106]

Where is everybody?

[akhenaten]

Hennigan got totally played by Fegan. Fegan knew all along he was going to intentionally leak everything that was said the second that meeting ended, to embarrass the Magic and make them look bad. He used it to push his own agenda to get Dwight to either L.A. or Brooklyn, and nowhere else. And if Hennigan didn’t see this coming, then he should have.

Serves the Magic right for, once again, hiring a rookie GM with no experience. Martins and the DeVos family knew this was possibly the most important summer in the franchise’s history, and to hire a 30-year-old rookie GM to navigate it shows how ignorant they are. This is big-boy negotiating, and I hate to say it, but I don’t think Hennigan knows what the hell he’s doing. I’m glad a lot of you guys have blind faith in him (despite his complete lack of a track record), but I think this is going to get even uglier.

[ChildishGambino]

just when i was about to be upset that we don't have a coach in place......hope it happens very soon...as in the next 24-48 hours....waiting another week will kill me lol

[Ahmadab]

I'm just saying that it's one or the other, your rookies are okay (maybe one of them turns out to be pretty good) and you are in position to get the number one pick OR your picks are so great that you wouldn't trade them for the best center and you'll be a slightly below average team with little chance to get the number one pick. Which one is it?

That is false.

The Thunder had Wetbrook, Durant and Ibaka in 2008/2009 and won 23 games. They ultimately got Harden with the 3rd pick I believe.

You can have good young players, even a championship core, and be in play for the #1.

Durant went #2, Westbrook #6, Harden #4 i think.

You rookies went 12, 16, 18
There's quite a difference there.

[Ahmadab]

OMG GUYS why are you mad at Hennigan as if it was his fault he couldn't get Dwight to stay during that meeting i bet that no man in the world could have made him stay. This guy is a jackass and he is set on leaving. IT'S OVER. TRADE HIM.

[TDJacksonville]

I'm just saying that it's one or the other, your rookies are okay (maybe one of them turns out to be pretty good) and you are in position to get the number one pick OR your picks are so great that you wouldn't trade them for the best center and you'll be a slightly below average team with little chance to get the number one pick. Which one is it?

That is false.

The Thunder had Wetbrook, Durant and Ibaka in 2008/2009 and won 23 games. They ultimately got Harden with the 3rd pick I believe.

You can have good young players, even a championship core, and be in play for the #1.

Durant went #2, Westbrook #6, Harden #4 i think.

You rookies went 12, 16, 18
There's quite a difference there.

forgot to mention that glut at PF