Seed the West

desertlakerfan · Post #81 » by **desertlakerfan** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:08 pm

1. Lakers
2. OKC
3. Spurs
4. Clippers
5. Denver
6. Memphis
7. Dallas
8. Minnesota

Spottieottie · Post #82 » by **Spottieottie** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:09 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Spottieottie wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:i cant tell if utah fans are the biggest homers or the biggest whiners?

Wow forgive us for defending out team against what we perceive as underrated forecasts. On a basketball forum of all places

i do. my question was serious. im trying to figure it out but having a little trouble.

For every Jazz fan saying "Top 4" there's probably a Nugget fan saying "Top 3". Most Jazz fans put us in 6-8. And you'd be pissed if Nuggets were being placed bottom 3 in the conference.

re49gb_2gho32fp · Post #83 » by **re49gb_2gho32fp** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:13 pm

Far too frequent issue to ignore.

Spottieottie wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:i cant tell if utah fans are the biggest homers or the biggest whiners?

Wow forgive us for defending out team against what we perceive as underrated forecasts. On a basketball forum of all places

O U R as opposed to "out"

T H A N as opposed to "that"

H A V E as opposed to "of"

Xsy · Post #84 » by **Xsy** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:14 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:i cant tell if utah fans are the biggest homers or the biggest whiners?

...they were two games behind Denver at the end of the year. We have a younger team with a rookie coach who still hasn't had an offseason.

What is it that makes Denver a 'playoff lock' and Utah a 'lotto lock'?

Spottieottie · Post #85 » by **Spottieottie** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:14 pm

shaolin wrote:Far too frequent issue to ignore.

Spottieottie wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:i cant tell if utah fans are the biggest homers or the biggest whiners?

Wow forgive us for defending out team against what we perceive as underrated forecasts. On a basketball forum of all places

O U R as opposed to "out"

T H A N as opposed to "that"

H A V E as opposed to "of"

Forgive my cell phone grammar? Rofl

Johnny Firpo · Post #86 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:16 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:yeah...2nd...better than the team that won the title

homers gonna homer

thats what the offseason is for!

Last season, without any kind of chemistry, and with an out of form Dirk, we were battling for the 3rd seed until that disastrous series of games. Dallas more often than not finishes in the top 4, i don't know why you think that's some kind of homer statement. With Dirk, you have an automatic 46-48 win team, regardless of the roster. I think 3 or 4 team will battle it out for that 2nd spot, and yes, if they can build some chemistry, the Mavs can definitely be one of them. I'm not saying i would bet on it, i'm saying it wouldn't shock me, and i can see them as high as 2nd, because they have a talented, deep roster.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #87 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:20 pm

Spottieottie wrote:
For every Jazz fan saying "Top 4" there's probably a Nugget fan saying "Top 3". Most Jazz fans put us in 6-8. And you'd be pissed if Nuggets were being placed bottom 3 in the conference.

yeah except there are jazz fans saying top 4 and there are not nugget fans saying top 3. good try though.

people put denver low all the time. i dont get pissed.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #88 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:23 pm

MacheteConfetti wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:i cant tell if utah fans are the biggest homers or the biggest whiners?

...they were two games behind Denver at the end of the year. We have a younger team with a rookie coach who still hasn't had an offseason.

What is it that makes Denver a 'playoff lock' and Utah a 'lotto lock'?

2 games in a shortened season. we are young as well (young enough that its not a factor at all).

i never called denver a playoff lock. or utah a lotto lock. (i only said utah fans are homers - that i am guilty of)

was there anything in your post correct?

Nuggets_Talk · Post #89 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:24 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:yeah...2nd...better than the team that won the title

homers gonna homer

thats what the offseason is for!

Last season, without any kind of chemistry, and with an out of form Dirk, we were battling for the 3rd seed until that disastrous series of games. Dallas more often than not finishes in the top 4, i don't know why you think that's some kind of homer statement. With Dirk, you have an automatic 46-48 win team, regardless of the roster. I think 3 or 4 team will battle it out for that 2nd spot, and yes, if they can build some chemistry, the Mavs can definitely be one of them. I'm not saying i would bet on it, i'm saying it wouldn't shock me, and i can see them as high as 2nd, because they have a talented, deep roster.

the old dallas team used to get top 4 all the time. no question there.

but they arent finishing top 2. nor winning a title.

keep homering it up. its the offseason - the time homers live for.

Spottieottie · Post #90 » by **Spottieottie** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:26 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Spottieottie wrote:
For every Jazz fan saying "Top 4" there's probably a Nugget fan saying "Top 3". Most Jazz fans put us in 6-8. And you'd be pissed if Nuggets were being placed bottom 3 in the conference.

yeah except there are jazz fans saying top 4 and there are not nugget fans saying top 3. good try though.

Yeah right. All fan bases have homers. I find it hard to believe you have a Sauron eye over every single fan. Or even a majority of fans. So your categorical denial really means nothing.

people put denver low all the time. i dont get pissed.

Really so if these predictions had Nuggets in lotto 90% of time you wouldn't object? Or argue on behalf of your team? :lol:

Xsy · Post #91 » by **Xsy** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:28 pm

Here's a better way for me to put it.

Teams are in no particular order, just a tier of how high I think they can get. Example, the first tier has the Lakers, Spurs and Thunder, meaning those teams will probably be the 1, 2, and 3 seeds-- just not in any particular order. Then the next tier, 4-7 has teams that will most likely land 4-7-- just not in any particular order, etc.

1-3 Tier:
Lakers, Spurs, Thunder

4-7 Tier:
Nuggets, Jazz, Grizzlies, Clippers

8-11 Tier:
Mavs, Wolves, Blazers, Golden State

12-15 Tier:
Suns, Rockets, Kings, Hornets

Xsy · Post #92 » by **Xsy** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:30 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
MacheteConfetti wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:i cant tell if utah fans are the biggest homers or the biggest whiners?

...they were two games behind Denver at the end of the year. We have a younger team with a rookie coach who still hasn't had an offseason.

What is it that makes Denver a 'playoff lock' and Utah a 'lotto lock'?

2 games in a shortened season. we are young as well (young enough that its not a factor at all).

i never called denver a playoff lock. or utah a lotto lock. (i only said utah fans are homers - that i am guilty of)

was there anything in your post correct?

This was directed at the thread as a whole, not just you.

I'm not accusing you of saying anything-- I'm just wondering why people tend to be thinking this (as shown by reading these lists.)

You're so abrasive in every topic I see you in.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #93 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:30 pm

Spottieottie wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Spottieottie wrote:
For every Jazz fan saying "Top 4" there's probably a Nugget fan saying "Top 3". Most Jazz fans put us in 6-8. And you'd be pissed if Nuggets were being placed bottom 3 in the conference.

yeah except there are jazz fans saying top 4 and there are not nugget fans saying top 3. good try though.

Yeah right. All fan bases have homers. I find it hard to believe you have a Sauron eye over every single fan. Or even a majority of fans. So your categorical denial really means nothing.

people put denver low all the time. i dont get pissed.

Really so if these predictions had Nuggets in lotto 90% of time you wouldn't object? Or argue on behalf of your team?

no. i would question the logic but not the seed. if you (or anyone) puts denver at 12th for example, does that increase or decrease the chances denver gets 12th?

Nuggets_Talk · Post #94 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:33 pm

MacheteConfetti wrote:
This was directed at the thread as a whole, not just you.

I'm not accusing you of saying anything-- I'm just wondering why people tend to be thinking this (as shown by reading these lists.)

You're so abrasive in every topic I see you in.

well you replied to me so i wasnt sure.

im not abrasive but when i tell people what they dont want to hear (anti-homer) they take it as abrasive. like i said, its the offseason, a magical time when homers run free and spew all sorts of sillyness hoping that some how it makes their hopes and wishes more likely to come true!

Post #95 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:34 pm

Im not a Jazz fan and I think they should be a playoff team this year. They made what appear to be minor changes but their roster is much more balanced and they dont have Devin Harris playing pg anymore. If they get the expected improvements from Favors,Kanter,Hayward, Burks they will be improved. Milsap and Jefferson are playing for contracts so they should be motivated to be in shape and be productive.

Spottieottie · Post #96 » by **Spottieottie** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:34 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:no. i would question the logic but not the seed. if you (or anyone) puts denver at 12th for example, does that increase or decrease the chances denver gets 12th?

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Same with anyone ranking anyone anywhere? Obviously these predictions are a pointless offseason exercise for bored/desperate basketball fans. Everything will work itself on the court over the course of the season.

HornetJail · Post #97 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:36 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Im not a Jazz fan and I think they should be a playoff team this year. They made what appear to be minor changes but their roster is much more balanced and they dont have Devin Harris playing pg anymore. If they get the expected improvements from Favors,Kanter,Hayward, Burks they will be improved. Milsap and Jefferson are playing for contracts so they should be motivated to be in shape and be productive.

Utah's improved, but so have other teams. :wink:

Nuggets_Talk · Post #98 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:36 pm

Spottieottie wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:no. i would question the logic but not the seed. if you (or anyone) puts denver at 12th for example, does that increase or decrease the chances denver gets 12th?

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Same with anyone ranking anyone anywhere? Obviously these predictions are a pointless offseason exercise for bored/desperate basketball fans. Everything will work itself on the court over the course of the season.

i meant that if someone put denver 12th because, for example, "they have no depth" then i would say "yes we do!" but not care about 12th.

im pretty sure we have depth. but we could finish 12th.

Xsy · Post #99 » by **Xsy** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:37 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:im not abrasive but when i tell people what they dont want to hear (anti-homer) they take it as abrasive. like i said, its the offseason, a magical time when homers run free and spew all sorts of sillyness hoping that some how it makes their hopes and wishes more likely to come true!

Tis quite a magical time. I'm a homer, through and through, but I still try to be a little objective. Honestly, the only post that blew my mind was the one that had Utah at like, 13, below the Hornets.

TheXFactor wrote:
ndee1234 wrote:1. OKC
2. LAL
3. SA
4. LAC
5. DAL
6. MEM
7. DEN
8. MIN
9. GSW
10. PHX
11. POR
12. NOH
13. UTA
14. SAC
15. HOU

I mean, that's just ridiculous.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #100 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:38 pm

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Im not a Jazz fan and I think they should be a playoff team this year. They made what appear to be minor changes but their roster is much more balanced and they dont have Devin Harris playing pg anymore. If they get the expected improvements from Favors,Kanter,Hayward, Burks they will be improved. Milsap and Jefferson are playing for contracts so they should be motivated to be in shape and be productive.

Utah's improved, but so have other teams.

what ive learned so far is that 14 of 15 western teams have improved. i see each winning 5-10 more games. jazz at least 20.