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Post#181 » by knicksnyk » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:21 am

Bronx Baller wrote:Stackhouse gave his opinion. I wonder how many other players would agree with an anonymous poll?

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New Nets guard Jerry Stackhouse thinks the Knicks made the right move by not bringing back Jeremy Lin.

Stackhouse, an 18-year NBA veteran, said in a video interview on SI.com that the Rockets’ three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet was too much to match “for a guy that’s only played 25 games for you.” Lin, a restricted free agent, signed the sheet and the Knicks decided officially Tuesday not to meet it, mostly because Houston tinkered with it late and added more guaranteed money in the third year.

Stackhouse, who will be playing his home games across the East River from the Knicks in Brooklyn this coming season, believes the Rockets might grow to regret the finances of the deal, too.

“I think it’s too much, I think they're gonna look back three years from now and say we maybe could have used this to go out and get another player,” Stackhouse said. ... “I think it’s going to hamper them.”

Lin “was great” for the Knicks last year, Stackhouse said, but even “the cable man” – Knicks owner and Cablevision head James Dolan – said it “was a little bit too much.” Stackhouse feels that Raymond Felton, who the Knicks acquired in a sign-and-trade with the Blazers last week, is “a better point guard than Jeremy Lin right now.”

Stackhouse, who signed a one-year deal with the Nets earlier this month, also doesn’t think the added marketability of Lin due to his Asian American heritage will help in Houston.

“I don’t think they’re gonna sell that much [merchandise],” Stackhouse said.


all these guys need to stop talking. really making the NBA look bad.
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Post#182 » by knicksnyk » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:23 am

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Quick Kick wrote:Woulda been nice if Mr. 85% had manned up and chipped in,

Stephen A?

I felt it was weaksauce as well when Lin put that out there.

Clarifying what he meant made it worse, then reporting this summer he wanted to play but the entire team and owner said "no, you're the future" really pushed the perception over the edge.


People need to move on with there lives. All we heard all season was that Melo stopped putting in effort under MDA and that is why he quit. The it was about lin at 85%. Now it will be how melo never wanted lin. over and over it is like a broken record.
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Post#183 » by knicksnyk » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:24 am

mys_ticked wrote:Man, you guys gotta ease up here. Everyone seems to be a fortune teller these days, sheesh. So many can predict the future apparently.

Either you have too high expectations on Lin and put him on too high a pedestal, or constantly doubting him and wanting him to fail.

So hard to find rational peops online these days. Shakes head.

Give the kid time to play first before predicting his success or downfall, will ya? The polarizing views on this kid are really extreme...seriously. And same goes to all the other NBA players.


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Post#184 » by blackbishop » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:30 am

mys_ticked wrote:Man, you guys gotta ease up here. Everyone seems to be a fortune teller these days, sheesh. So many can predict the future apparently.

Either you have too high expectations on Lin and put him on too high a pedestal, or constantly doubting him and wanting him to fail.

So hard to find rational peops online these days. Shakes head.

Give the kid time to play first before predicting his success or downfall, will ya? The polarizing views on this kid are really extreme...seriously. And same goes to all the other NBA players.



I agree. The problem is you do not pay 15 million dollars for a maybe. The knicks realized this yet people want to kill the knicks for it.
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Post#185 » by AVolumeScorer » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:34 am

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mys_ticked wrote:Man, you guys gotta ease up here. Everyone seems to be a fortune teller these days, sheesh. So many can predict the future apparently.

Either you have too high expectations on Lin and put him on too high a pedestal, or constantly doubting him and wanting him to fail.

So hard to find rational peops online these days. Shakes head.

Give the kid time to play first before predicting his success or downfall, will ya? The polarizing views on this kid are really extreme...seriously. And same goes to all the other NBA players.



I agree. The problem is you do not pay 15 million dollars for a maybe. The knicks realized this yet people want to kill the knicks for it.

I would completely agree with you if this move was made based on a basketball decision
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Post#186 » by knicksnyk » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:46 am

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mys_ticked wrote:Man, you guys gotta ease up here. Everyone seems to be a fortune teller these days, sheesh. So many can predict the future apparently.

Either you have too high expectations on Lin and put him on too high a pedestal, or constantly doubting him and wanting him to fail.

So hard to find rational peops online these days. Shakes head.

Give the kid time to play first before predicting his success or downfall, will ya? The polarizing views on this kid are really extreme...seriously. And same goes to all the other NBA players.



I agree. The problem is you do not pay 15 million dollars for a maybe. The knicks realized this yet people want to kill the knicks for it.


You also don't worry about something that is going to happen 3 years from now. Everyone is focused way to much about the 15 million dollar figure it is absurd. He is getting pad 5 million dollars for the next two years. Ramon Sessios gets paid 5 million dollars and Lin is better than Ramon. People are acting like he is getting paid 15 million in his first year. Since when is a players first 25 games his best 25 games? I wan't to kill the knicks for it. Do I think it was the necessary decision for the team yes based on Jr's comments and all the media hype that surrounded lin. But do I think that the Knicks are going to regret it and look dumb down the road yes most definitely cause Lin can play and he will only get better. The Rockets GM has a history of finding undervalued talent who always prove to be greater than there worth see Lowry Scola Dragic. No surprise that Daryl Morey wanted Lin as well considering what he brings to the court. And I will be even more pissed if Lin plays well and we end up having to move Amare because then the luxury tax hit would have been less. But then we all know that this had nothing to do with the luxury tax.
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Post#187 » by gamer4Life » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:06 am

Goran is a "maybe", he's getting paid more than Lin. No one is complaining about his salary. Potential is what people are paying for.
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Post#188 » by Ginger Bean » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:21 am

It's a poison pill. It's supposed to make you blink. That's the whole point.

Does Asik deserve 25mil either?

It's the only way to get restricted free agents if you're a smaller market team like Houston.
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Post#189 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:27 am

knicksnyk wrote:You also don't worry about something that is going to happen 3 years from now. Everyone is focused way to much about the 15 million dollar figure it is absurd. He is getting pad 5 million dollars for the next two years. Ramon Sessios gets paid 5 million dollars and Lin is better than Ramon. People are acting like he is getting paid 15 million in his first year. Since when is a players first 25 games his best 25 games? I wan't to kill the knicks for it. Do I think it was the necessary decision for the team yes based on Jr's comments and all the media hype that surrounded lin. But do I think that the Knicks are going to regret it and look dumb down the road yes most definitely cause Lin can play and he will only get better. The Rockets GM has a history of finding undervalued talent who always prove to be greater than there worth see Lowry Scola Dragic. No surprise that Daryl Morey wanted Lin as well considering what he brings to the court. And I will be even more pissed if Lin plays well and we end up having to move Amare because then the luxury tax hit would have been less. But then we all know that this had nothing to do with the luxury tax.

Here's the thing.......no one really knows what happened, everything is nothing but pure speculation....as the tam who made the decision, said nothing about that decision.

But here's what we do know....

The Knicks targeted Nash, and signed Felton prior to any decision made about Lin.

Teams are worrying about three years from now primarily because of the repeater tax, which is why team payrolls are coming down at rapid rates......now.

As far as the 3rd year of the deal, ask the Bulls why they didn't match their either?

Asik helped hold down the paint when their bigs were injured, and earned playoff minutes for them too, but ultimately cost had something to do with it.

As far as what happens with Lin, no one knows that either.
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Post#190 » by knicksnyk » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:19 am

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knicksnyk wrote:You also don't worry about something that is going to happen 3 years from now. Everyone is focused way to much about the 15 million dollar figure it is absurd. He is getting pad 5 million dollars for the next two years. Ramon Sessios gets paid 5 million dollars and Lin is better than Ramon. People are acting like he is getting paid 15 million in his first year. Since when is a players first 25 games his best 25 games? I wan't to kill the knicks for it. Do I think it was the necessary decision for the team yes based on Jr's comments and all the media hype that surrounded lin. But do I think that the Knicks are going to regret it and look dumb down the road yes most definitely cause Lin can play and he will only get better. The Rockets GM has a history of finding undervalued talent who always prove to be greater than there worth see Lowry Scola Dragic. No surprise that Daryl Morey wanted Lin as well considering what he brings to the court. And I will be even more pissed if Lin plays well and we end up having to move Amare because then the luxury tax hit would have been less. But then we all know that this had nothing to do with the luxury tax.

Here's the thing.......no one really knows what happened, everything is nothing but pure speculation....as the tam who made the decision, said nothing about that decision.

But here's what we do know....

The Knicks targeted Nash, and signed Felton prior to any decision made about Lin.

Teams are worrying about three years from now primarily because of the repeater tax, which is why team payrolls are coming down at rapid rates......now.

As far as the 3rd year of the deal, ask the Bulls why they didn't match their either?

Asik helped hold down the paint when their bigs were injured, and earned playoff minutes for them too, but ultimately cost had something to do with it.

As far as what happens with Lin, no one knows that either.


But don't the bulls have a history of not being a team that pays the luxury tax whereas the knicks do?
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Post#191 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:31 am

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knicksnyk wrote:You also don't worry about something that is going to happen 3 years from now. Everyone is focused way to much about the 15 million dollar figure it is absurd. He is getting pad 5 million dollars for the next two years. Ramon Sessios gets paid 5 million dollars and Lin is better than Ramon. People are acting like he is getting paid 15 million in his first year. Since when is a players first 25 games his best 25 games? I wan't to kill the knicks for it. Do I think it was the necessary decision for the team yes based on Jr's comments and all the media hype that surrounded lin. But do I think that the Knicks are going to regret it and look dumb down the road yes most definitely cause Lin can play and he will only get better. The Rockets GM has a history of finding undervalued talent who always prove to be greater than there worth see Lowry Scola Dragic. No surprise that Daryl Morey wanted Lin as well considering what he brings to the court. And I will be even more pissed if Lin plays well and we end up having to move Amare because then the luxury tax hit would have been less. But then we all know that this had nothing to do with the luxury tax.

Here's the thing.......no one really knows what happened, everything is nothing but pure speculation....as the tam who made the decision, said nothing about that decision.

But here's what we do know....

The Knicks targeted Nash, and signed Felton prior to any decision made about Lin.

Teams are worrying about three years from now primarily because of the repeater tax, which is why team payrolls are coming down at rapid rates......now.

As far as the 3rd year of the deal, ask the Bulls why they didn't match their either?

Asik helped hold down the paint when their bigs were injured, and earned playoff minutes for them too, but ultimately cost had something to do with it.

As far as what happens with Lin, no one knows that either.


But don't the bulls have a history of not being a team that pays the luxury tax whereas the knicks do?

This CBA changed the game on how alot of teams have to move forward.

History is tossed at this point.

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Post#192 » by GettinitDone » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:18 pm

Lin haters like to point he only averaged 14.6ppg and 6.2apg completely saying he's not worth the money and Felton is better, COMPLETELY disregarding:
- Those averages of 14.6ppg and 6.2apg are averages counting the first 9 garbage-minute games before his Nets break out game.
- He was basically only a ROOKIE. The true PG All-Stars Deron Williams/ Rajon Rondo were role players in their rookie years. Did Jazz and Celtics say, "hmmmm Deron only averaged 10.8ppg & 4.5apg, this IS who he's going to be the rest of his career, let's get rid of him and get Hinrich he's more proven than Deron!!! Hmmmm Rondo averaged only 6.4ppg, 3.8apg, what a waste of pick... gotta shop for a better PG!" No. No. No. Steve Nash was a sorry-ass player in his first 4 years in the L. Kobe Bryant, averaged only 7.6ppg and shot airballs in clutch. Lin? 8 pts against Heat??? That's who he is the rest of his career!!! Felton is better!!! Completely disregarding the clutch games vs. Wolves, Raptors, Lakers, Mavs, Pacers, Sixers and other countless in-game clutch shots that extended lead vs. Nets, Jazz.

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It's true you cannot predict a player's future based on his talent alone. Kwame Brown once had 30pts & 19rebounds. How come so many players with so much talent just turn out to be busts? I believe there are many factors that determine their success have EVERYthing to do with their character:
1.) How they handle failure, e.g. handling turnovers, handling making mistakes, handling being made fun of sometimes, handling missing shots, handling "letting team/ teammates down",
2.) How they handle success, e.g. if you think it's fun to have millions of fans, it may be for a few days, after that, it gets really heavy as you have to continually meet/ exceed their expectations or risk "letting them down". How they handle media, which they have to face almost EVERYday... again, the first few days may sound fun, but after few days it gets tiring real quick. If a player says a wrong thing JUST ONE TIME it can affect how he's perceived by the world and could cause their downfall, e.g. Josh Howard and Star Spangle comment... Was an all star, was considered untouchable along with Dirk by Mavs, fell off, and traded after that season. Do they overcelebrate after a (few) good game(s)...? Overpartying, then comes women, alcohols, drugs maybe that are sure going to distract their focus, and play on floor?
3.) How they interact with teammates, e.g. if you are disliked by 1-2 teammates, it may not be a big deal, but what if you're disliked by whole team/ organization?? It sure is not going to make your road to success smoother
4.) If they can handle failure, and they can handle success, and they are generally liked by teammates/ organization, the last hurdle is their work ethic. Players with talent without work ethic don't get too far. Players with talent with work ethic become special.


I believe players like Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, Flip Murray, who for at least once showed promise just failed to live up to their talent simply because they can't handle failure/ they can't handle success, they have dramas with teammates, or they just don't have work ethic that prolonged their NBA success.

Lin is fail-proof when it comes to these
1.) He can handle failure: he committed tons of turnovers yet still demanded for ball and delivered in clutch. He missed long shots, but kept taking shots and made a few more clutch ones. He got knocked down but he kept coming to the paint for more.
2.) He can handle success: Linsanity in New York while whole world watching? Nuff said. 38pts on Lakers with Linsanity at its height? Front page news before game. Pressure? 28 and 14 against then-defending champs Mavs who had won 9 straight games.
He doesn't overparty because he doesn't even party, he sure doesn't use drugs, he sure doesn't get around women. How do I know? I know because I bet he must be in his gym and (though I'm not Christian) he's religious and it helps. The gym and his religion are his escape when so many other talented players fall into the same trap. While Lin is able to maintain his focus/ goals, the players who can't wait for games to be over so they can go to night parties/ clubs to be with their entourage are the ones who make "pleasure" their priority and the basketball game secondary... e.g. Eddy Curry. Lin is far from this... he's a gym rat, he's good, he's SAFE.
3.) Lin is well liked by teammates because, for one, his style of game focuses on ball movement that involve everyone on the floor. Second, he is religious, so he doesn't have personal agendas and has said to have a built-in purpose of "serving" his teammates.
4.) Last hurdle: work ethic is his strongest point. He's a gym rat. Nuff said.


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While so many talented players face many obstacles, I believe Lin has cleared ALL of these hurdles. There is however still ONE obstacles in his path he cannot control, which all players/ athletes face: INJURIES.

I believe only INJURIES can prevent Lin from reaching superstar status. In perfect world without injuries, if he was a stock, I would buy, he is a no-brainer, sure-fire, guaranteed success.
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Post#193 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:28 pm

The post above is why some hate Lin.

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Post#194 » by Tron Carter » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:45 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:The post above is why some hate Lin.

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Bingo.

You can keep writing novels all you want, he'll never be in a Knicks uniform ever again. That post was so outrageous It doesn't deserve to be quoted. No athlete is immune to failure.
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Post#195 » by GettinitDone » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:54 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:The post above is why some hate Lin.

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Bingo.

You can keep writing novels all you want, he'll never be in a Knicks uniform ever again.


If you guys read with a bit more open mindedness, my explanation is simple really.

But I too have grown tired of Lin's blind haters no matter what we say it's going in one ear, and out the other. I ask Lin fans to shut up and let Lin blow this contingent of Lin haters with his play in 2012-13 season. I'm confident, barring any serious INJURY, he will be a superstar.

Stats prediction: 22ppg, 9apg, 4rpg, 2spg, 3tpg.
Felton: 12ppg, 6apg, 3rpg, 1spg, 3tpg.
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Post#196 » by blackbishop » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:04 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:The post above is why some hate Lin.

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Bingo.

You can keep writing novels all you want, he'll never be in a Knicks uniform ever again.


If you guys read with a bit more open mindedness, my explanation is simple really.

But I too have grown tired of Lin's blind haters no matter what we say it's going in one ear, and out the other. I ask Lin fans to shut up and let Lin blow this contingent of Lin haters with his play in 2012-13 season. I'm confident, barring any serious INJURY, he will be a superstar.

Stats prediction: 22ppg, 9apg, 4rpg, 2spg, 3tpg.
Felton: 12ppg, 6apg, 3rpg, 1spg, 3tpg.


You may be right though I would think his TOs would be higher and to reach that 22ppg, he will likely be shooting in the 40% range if that. He will be playing what 38 mpg to reach those numbers. If Dantoni rode him like secretariat, I wonder what the reference will be for McHale.
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Post#197 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:07 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:The post above is why some hate Lin.

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Bingo.

You can keep writing novels all you want, he'll never be in a Knicks uniform ever again.


If you guys read with a bit more open mindedness, my explanation is simple really.

But I too have grown tired of Lin's blind haters no matter what we say it's going in one ear, and out the other. I ask Lin fans to shut up and let Lin blow this contingent of Lin haters with his play in 2012-13 season. I'm confident, barring any serious INJURY, he will be a superstar.

Stats prediction: 22ppg, 9apg, 4rpg, 2spg, 3tpg.
Felton: 12ppg, 6apg, 3rpg, 1spg, 3tpg.

It's impossible for anyone to take that page long post with open mindness when it's based on 100% opinion.

No one believes Lin will go back to the end of the bench, but it's ridiculous to think he'd be a superstar barring injuries only.

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Post#198 » by Tron Carter » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:36 pm

It's not based on opinion it's based on Linsanity lust. Lin will not average 22 points, 9 assist and 2 steals a game with only 3 turnovers a game. THOSE ARE CP3 numbers.

Are you going to sit here ad tell me Lin will have a better season next year then CP3 did this past? You've lost all touch with reality.
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Post#199 » by GettinitDone » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:46 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:It's impossible for anyone to take that page long post with open mindness when it's based on 100% opinion.

No one believes Lin will go back to the end of the bench, but it's ridiculous to think he'd be a superstar barring injuries only.

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- How is the fact that he can handle failure (getting cut twice, missing shots on the verge of being cut only to take more and drain the clutch ones, getting knocked down only to come back more and stronger) my "opinion"?
- How is the fact that he can handle success (playing well amid Linsanity at its peak in world's biggest media NYC, nothing less, handling pressure each game when Lin fans/ supporters were becoming 10000x crazier than Linsanity itself) my "opinion"?
- How is the fact that he is well liked by his teammates (Melo included nonetheless!!) my "opinion"?
- How is the fact that he is a gym rat my "opinion"?


Those are the 4 major obstacles to a talented player's path to success, and he's cleared ALL except one: the God of injuries.
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Post#200 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:52 pm

GettinitDone wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:It's impossible for anyone to take that page long post with open mindness when it's based on 100% opinion.

No one believes Lin will go back to the end of the bench, but it's ridiculous to think he'd be a superstar barring injuries only.

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- How is the fact that he can handle failure (getting cut twice, missing shots, getting knocked down only to come back more and stronger) my "opinion"?
- How is the fact that he can handle success (playing well amid Linsanity at its peak in world's biggest media NYC, nothing less, handling pressure each game when Lin fans/ supporters were becoming 10000x crazier than Linsanity itself) my "opinion"?
- How is the fact that he is well liked by his teammates (Melo included nonetheless!!) my "opinion"?
- How is the fact that he is a gym rat my "opinion"?


Those are the 4 major obstacles to a talented player's path to success, and he's cleared ALL except one: the God of injuries.

All those established he belongs in the NBA.

You're suggesting him achieving superstar status.

That, at the minimum requires team success.

How will the Rockets fair from Lin's individual success?

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