All Lin talk here

[Quick Kick]

If Lin averages 8apg on a team with no real options, he is the second coming of Christ.

[bandwagonKnick]

This dude is riding HARD for that clumsy oaf

Cant wait to necromance your posts when hes getting ripped to pieces by real NBA PGs who have been playing at an elite level for years. #bookmarked

So, last year he played against non-NBA players, right?! I guess they weren't "ready" when he sneak attacked them for 25 games, right.
And if NBA stars rip him next year, then that means he sucks, right?!

The hate in you is strong. Let it go. Why hate on a player who did good for us last year?

[bandwagonKnick]

This dude is riding HARD for that clumsy oaf

Cant wait to necromance your posts when hes getting ripped to pieces by real NBA PGs who have been playing at an elite level for years. #bookmarked

So, last year he played against non-NBA players, right?! I guess they weren't "ready" when he sneak attacked them for 25 games, right.
And if NBA stars rip him next year, then that means he sucks, right?!

The hate in you is strong. Let it go. Why hate on a player who did good for us last year?

If Shump goes off and gets Lin numbers next year when he comes back for 30 games or so, would you really knock him and hope that Dolan will let him go for Felton?

[Quick Kick]

This dude is riding HARD for that clumsy oaf

Cant wait to necromance your posts when hes getting ripped to pieces by real NBA PGs who have been playing at an elite level for years. #bookmarked

So, last year he played against non-NBA players, right?! I guess they weren't "ready" when he sneak attacked them for 25 games, right.

Uhhh....yeah?

And if NBA stars rip him next year, then that means he sucks, right?!
?

uhhh...yeah?

[Tron Carter]

Don't even try and reason with him just remember the numbers:

22 ppg, 9 apg, 4 rpg, and 2 spg.

Where do you see him? I'm curious what you think of his game.

I'd say more like 16 ppg, 8 apg, 4pg, and 2 spg, but with great intangibles.
Projecting 30-35 wins for Houston.

As for the Knicks, I'm projecting a 55 win season.
Felton: 12ppg, 6apg, 3 rpg, 1spg, close enough to Lin numbers but without the intangibles, which is key.

Felton will average more assists then Lin because he is a better passer. Felton will average more steals then Lin because he's a better defender. Felton will average less points then Lin because he is the 4th scoring option in the starting lineup.

I don't play number games I just think that when people claim Lin will have a better season then Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook I tend to disagree.

I'm not buying this intangibles nonsense you're trying to sell me either.

[bandwagonKnick]

This dude is riding HARD for that clumsy oaf

Cant wait to necromance your posts when hes getting ripped to pieces by real NBA PGs who have been playing at an elite level for years. #bookmarked

So, last year he played against non-NBA players, right?! I guess they weren't "ready" when he sneak attacked them for 25 games, right.

Uhhh....yeah?

And if NBA stars rip him next year, then that means he sucks, right?!
?

uhhh...yeah?

lol. These are really great stars you uphold. A scrub sneak attacks them for 20 and 10, night after night. How did DWill get ripped for 20 and 10 TWICE by Lin? I forgot he scored 36, all but two from three while guarded by Shump. And don't root for JKidd. He got ripped, too. And Felton.

[bandwagonKnick]

Don't even try and reason with him just remember the numbers:

22 ppg, 9 apg, 4 rpg, and 2 spg.

Where do you see him? I'm curious what you think of his game.

I'd say more like 16 ppg, 8 apg, 4pg, and 2 spg, but with great intangibles.
Projecting 30-35 wins for Houston.

As for the Knicks, I'm projecting a 55 win season.
Felton: 12ppg, 6apg, 3 rpg, 1spg, close enough to Lin numbers but without the intangibles, which is key.

Felton will average more assists then Lin because he is a better passer. Felton will average more steals then Lin because he's a better defender. Felton will average less points then Lin because he is the 4th scoring option in the starting lineup.

I don't play number games I just think that when people claim Lin will have a better season then Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook I tend to disagree.

I'm not buying this intangibles nonsense you're trying to sell me either.

Fair enough.
And, yes, Lin will not have a better season than CP3 or Westbrook. That's ridiculous. I don't anyone here thinks that. But there is such a thing as intangibles. An extra deflection here, one more moment of hustle there, one more made shot in clutch time compared to a shot in the second quarter, a team first attitude versus a stat stuffer, petulancy in your team versus maturity. If you don't believe in that why did we get Kidd for? His stats?

[Quick Kick]

Lol @ Deron getting ripped the second time. The hell? Lin was SHELL SHOCKED the whole game, didnt really score much until the game was out of reach. Those numbers were hollow as hell, bro. Please go root for the Rockets, its obvious youre gona be cheerleading this kid if he miraculously has a great game at MSG.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Basic NBA stats are very overrated and don’t tell the true story especially with pgs.

Not sure what his stats will be, but Lin will be a very solid NBA pg and the type of player you want on your team.

[Tron Carter]

Everything you're saying can be said about Felton during his previos tenure with Knicks. Why will this upcoming season be any different?

[bandwagonKnick]

Everything you're saying can be said about Felton during his previos tenure with Knicks. Why will this upcoming season be any different?

Never said it would be. He could regain that form. I believe that.
I just believe Lin would have repeated last year's performance as well, if not better.

[knicksnyk]

Don't even try and reason with him just remember the numbers:

22 ppg, 9 apg, 4 rpg, and 2 spg.

Where do you see him? I'm curious what you think of his game.

I'd say more like 16 ppg, 8 apg, 4pg, and 2 spg, but with great intangibles.
Projecting 30-35 wins for Houston.

As for the Knicks, I'm projecting a 55 win season.
Felton: 12ppg, 6apg, 3 rpg, 1spg, close enough to Lin numbers but without the intangibles, which is key.

Felton will average more assists then Lin because he is a better passer. Felton will average more steals then Lin because he's a better defender. Felton will average less points then Lin because he is the 4th scoring option in the starting lineup.

I don't play number games I just think that when people claim Lin will have a better season then Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook I tend to disagree.

I'm not buying this intangibles nonsense you're trying to sell me either.

Lin ranks 6th in AST% among all starting pg's in the NBA last year. He was also second to ricky rubio in steals.


PASSING

Felton and Lin both passed the ball on most of their pick-and-roll plays. And both players’ teammates had nearly the same field goal percentage and points per play on those passes. Felton passed it to the roll men more often, while Lin hit the cutters and spot-up shooters more often.

Felton passed the ball more often on isolation plays than Lin, who was better at passing to cutters, resulting in a higher field goal percentage and more points per play by his teammates on those passes. But with Lin’s high efficiency on isolation plays, it may not be such a bad thing that he passes the ball on only 17 percent of his isolation plays.

DEFENSE

Defense Last Season
Felton Lin
Opp Pts per play 0.86 0.82
Opp PPP rank* 133rd 78th
Opp FG pct 41.6 37.8
* Of 235 players to defend at least 300 plays


So if Lin seems to be the better offensive player, for the Knicks to justify this move, they must think Felton is the better defender, right? That may not be the case.

Lin held opponents to fewer points per play and a lower field goal percentage (37.8) last season than Felton (41.6). Of the 235 players to defend at least 300 plays, Lin ranked 78th in fewest points per play, while Felton ranked 133rd.

[Tron Carter]

Lol, I know exactly what ESPN article you copied and pasted that from and it's easy to say Lin's better when you're comparing his numbers with Felton's uninspired, overweight numbers in Portland.

It would be much more logical to compare Felton's numbers in his previous tenure with the Knicks because all offseason reports indicate he should be back to that form minus the amount of scoring he'll have to do.

That was a nice try though.

[CU_NY09]

Lol, I know exactly what ESPN article you copied and pasted that from and it's easy to say Lin's better when you're comparing his numbers with Felton's uninspired, overweight numbers in Portland.

It would be much more logical to compare Felton's numbers in his previous tenure with the Knicks because all offseason reports indicate he should be back to that form minus the amount of scoring he'll have to do.

That was a nice try though.

Excuses. It should be more concerning to you that you just called our starting PG uninspired and out of shape. Are we going to have to put up with another weak minded player on this team? Woodson will have to coddle him and JR now?! He's a professional getting paid to play a kids game, he shouldn't have let himself become uninspired or overweight, good players don't do that.

[knicksnyk]

Lol, I know exactly what ESPN article you copied and pasted that from and it's easy to say Lin's better when you're comparing his numbers with Felton's uninspired, overweight numbers in Portland.

It would be much more logical to compare Felton's numbers in his previous tenure with the Knicks because all offseason reports indicate he should be back to that form minus the amount of scoring he'll have to do.

That was a nice try though.

Felton has been in the league how long?? Has he ever ranked second in steals? Lin did that in his first chance a legitimate playing time. And there is no excuse for ray playing uninspired overweight basketball absolutely none the man is a proffesional. Listen I have no problem with Ray i am willing to ride with him because he is playing with a chip on his shoulder and i like that. But I am not one of those people that thinks we will never win a title because Lin is gone. The Knicks will be fine without him. But I aint like you dawg, I am not gonna totally trash a player that played well for us because I find his fans irrational. Come on. Or better yet because I am a knick fan I hope he sucks so that it makes the knicks look good. Grow up dude.

[Tron Carter]

Lol, I know exactly what ESPN article you copied and pasted that from and it's easy to say Lin's better when you're comparing his numbers with Felton's uninspired, overweight numbers in Portland.

It would be much more logical to compare Felton's numbers in his previous tenure with the Knicks because all offseason reports indicate he should be back to that form minus the amount of scoring he'll have to do.

That was a nice try though.

Felton has been in the league how long?? Has he ever ranked second in steals? Lin did that in his first chance a legitimate playing time. And there is no excuse for ray playing uninspired overweight basketball absolutely none the man is a proffesional. Listen I have no problem with Ray i am willing to ride with him because he is playing with a chip on his shoulder and i like that. But I am not one of those people that thinks we will never win a title because Lin is gone. The Knicks will be fine without him. But I aint like you dawg, I am not gonna totally trash a player that played well for us because I find his fans irrational. Come on. Or better yet because I am a knick fan I hope he sucks so that it makes the knicks look good. Grow up dude.

I don't have a problem with Lin. I do have a problem with you trying to compare Lin's 35 games to Felton's worst season of his career and draw iron clad statistical conclusions. The game of basketball goes beyond just drooling over statistics. However if it gets your d*ck hard Felton did register more steals then Lin while he played for the Knicks. That was under Dumbtoni. God knows what havoc he'll cause once Woodson gets to him.

Felton has acknowledged that last year in Portland was a trainwreck and he blames nobody but himself. That being said, as I previously stated stop using that data to prove that Lin is a better passer or defender because he's not.

Just as Carmelo's numbers were pedestrian by his standards and he was playing uninspired basketball under Pringles yet managed to pull himself together after Woodsnanity, Felton did the same. Here's some more statistics for you to rub your nipples to of Felton after McMillian ( who he had a strained relationship with to say the least) was let go:

14 ppg
7.7 apg
3 tpg
46% fg
45 3fg

Ugh, but why do I even bother with some of you guys. You're hopeless.

[knicksnyk]

Lol, I know exactly what ESPN article you copied and pasted that from and it's easy to say Lin's better when you're comparing his numbers with Felton's uninspired, overweight numbers in Portland.

It would be much more logical to compare Felton's numbers in his previous tenure with the Knicks because all offseason reports indicate he should be back to that form minus the amount of scoring he'll have to do.

That was a nice try though.

Felton has been in the league how long?? Has he ever ranked second in steals? Lin did that in his first chance a legitimate playing time. And there is no excuse for ray playing uninspired overweight basketball absolutely none the man is a proffesional. Listen I have no problem with Ray i am willing to ride with him because he is playing with a chip on his shoulder and i like that. But I am not one of those people that thinks we will never win a title because Lin is gone. The Knicks will be fine without him. But I aint like you dawg, I am not gonna totally trash a player that played well for us because I find his fans irrational. Come on. Or better yet because I am a knick fan I hope he sucks so that it makes the knicks look good. Grow up dude.

I don't have a problem with Lin. I do have a problem with you trying to compare Lin's 35 games to Felton's worst season of his career and draw iron clad statistical conclusions. The game of basketball goes beyond just drooling over statistics. However if it gets your d*ck hard Felton did register more steals then Lin while he played for the Knicks. That was under Dumbtoni. God knows what havoc he'll cause once Woodson gets to him.

Felton has acknowledged that last year in Portland was a trainwreck and he blames nobody but himself. That being said, as I previously stated stop using that data to prove that Lin is a better passer or defender because he's not.

Just as Carmelo's numbers were pedestrian by his standards and he was playing uninspired basketball under Pringles yet managed to pull himself together after Woodsnanity, Felton did the same. Here's some more statistics for you to rub your nipples to of Felton after McMillian ( who he had a strained relationship with to say the least) was let go:

14 ppg
7.7 apg
3 tpg
46% fg
45 3fg

Ugh, but why do I even bother with some of you guys. You're hopeless.

and sorry dude but it doesn't sound like you have no problem with Lin. pretty much every post in this thread that you have made there has been very little said that has been positive about someone that played well for us.

Plus Your paranoid. You make it sound like I went cherry picking for feltons worst numbers. is it MY fault that ray didn't give it his best.i compared there numbers for this past season. it just so happens that it was feltons worst year, whose fault is that me or ray? Did I not say that I have no problem with felton and I am cool with him as a pg. you are the one that started this discussion as to how felton is a better defender and willl get more steals and is a better passer and will get more assists. the entire point of my post was to rebuff that and prove it innacurate. sure felton could definitely bounce back under woodson i never said that any of these stats were iron clad. in fact it was you that said something along those lines because you originally posted that felton will have more assists because he is a better passer and will have more steals because he is a better defender. if that isn't an ironclad statement I don't know what is. like i said sure he could bounce back but that is in the future and this is now so as of right now felton isnt better at those two things.

[Thugger HBC]

What's the discussion now?

It seems that some are getting totally unraveled if Lin isn't praised as a great player already.

Well here's how I see it, put in the work....over the course of a full season, and let that work translate into wins for your team.

If Lin does that...great for him.

If Felton does that for us.....great for the New York Knicks.

[Tron Carter]

Plus Your paranoid. You make it sound like I went cherry picking for feltons worst numbers. is it MY fault that ray didn't give it his best.i compared there numbers for this past season. it just so happens that it was feltons worst year, whose fault is that me or ray? Did I not say that I have no problem with felton and I am cool with him as a pg. you are the one that started this discussion as to how felton is a better defender and willl get more steals and is a better passer and will get more assists. the entire point of my post was to rebuff that and prove it innacurate. sure felton could definitely bounce back under woodson i never said that any of these stats were iron clad. in fact it was you that said something along those lines because you originally posted that felton will have more assists because he is a better passer and will have more steals because he is a better defender. if that isn't an ironclad statement I don't know what is. like i said sure he could bounce back but that is in the future and this is now so as of right now felton isnt better at those two things.

You didn't cherry pick you compared numbers that aren't indicative of the real skill and play Felton brings to the Knicks. I feel like a broken record. I'm not blaming you for Felton in Portland. I'm just saying don't use those numbers and try and tell me that's why Lin is a better passer and defender because he isn't.

You say as of right now like he lost that when clearly he hasn't by the numbers you love so much show.

[knicksnyk]

Plus Your paranoid. You make it sound like I went cherry picking for feltons worst numbers. is it MY fault that ray didn't give it his best.i compared there numbers for this past season. it just so happens that it was feltons worst year, whose fault is that me or ray? Did I not say that I have no problem with felton and I am cool with him as a pg. you are the one that started this discussion as to how felton is a better defender and willl get more steals and is a better passer and will get more assists. the entire point of my post was to rebuff that and prove it innacurate. sure felton could definitely bounce back under woodson i never said that any of these stats were iron clad. in fact it was you that said something along those lines because you originally posted that felton will have more assists because he is a better passer and will have more steals because he is a better defender. if that isn't an ironclad statement I don't know what is. like i said sure he could bounce back but that is in the future and this is now so as of right now felton isnt better at those two things.

You didn't cherry pick you compared numbers that aren't indicative of the real skill and play Felton brings to the Knicks. I feel like a broken record. I'm not blaming you for Felton in Portland. I'm just saying don't use those numbers and try and tell me that's why Lin is a better passer and defender because he isn't.

You say as of right now like he lost that when clearly he hasn't by the numbers you love so much show.

Let us just end this discussion right now. We are going around in circles.