Bynum better than Howard offensively myth

[kblo247]

@DEEP3CL No objective person can say Perk shut him down but he did make him super inefficient for a so called dominant center. What you forget to mention is that Drew shot 43.5% from the field. Thats horrible for a center. You can never make a real point by comparing Perk's numbers to Bynums because Perk is an on ball defender that has about 1% of any of the plays on the team ran for him. Drew's drop from 51% in the Nuggets series to 43 shows how effective Perk was on him man to man.

Not if Perkins is the defender everyone claims he is. Plus OKC started doubling & fronting the post. Surely you cant think this was all Perkins. Some of it was Perkins, good help defense from Ibaka & missed shots. 43% against a good defensive team with a good front line isn't atrocious.

In 2 games vs OKC Howard shot 4-12 & 14-20. So the same could be said there. More games played percentage may drop. I realize that's 56 % in 2 games but in the 5 playoff games Drew only shot less than 50% twice. The 2-13 game is the only thing that skewed his shooting percentage.

What isn't skewed is that in game 4 Bynum and Pau both got bullied off that glass in the second half. 2rebs each. People can talk crap about what Kobe should have done, why Ron shouldn't have shot leaning fade shots,mbut they went in there and grabbed more boards that half than "2 Max All Star" bigs and that is why we lost. We couldn't get second chances or limit theirs as our wings and Hill were putting on hard hats while Perk, Collison,and Ibaka my as well had written bitch on the head of Pau and Andrew because they stayed away from the glass at all times

What isn't skewed is that neither big could even stop or deter that run to start the 4th in game 5 when Kobe sat for less than 2 minutes. Collison abused them with sheer effort, strength, and hustle on the glass and help D and that is where we got blown out. We went from manageable to out the game with those two "stars" ran off the court and unable to defend or rebound. I'm sorry, but that right there is the difference between them and a Lamar if you go back and watch that Boton Game 7 as they just didn't bring effort or heart to even get back in, fight for boards, close on shooters, recover, move their feet, and fight to score and create extra opportunities. We lost the last two games of the series literally because of that

[Anklebreaker702]

Kblo although what you're saying is true that's wasn't the subject, true nonetheless

[kblo247]

I know just was watching those games over an distill got pissed off the other day, my bad.


As for the topic at hand

- Dwight is assisted on less baskets
- Dwight and Andrew average the same amount of attempts
- Andrew scores more on putbacks and lobs
- Dwight scores more out the post, and had better fg ts and efg %s
- Dwight draws more fouls, but shoots worse from the line
- Dwight is more accustomed to making kick out passes
- Dwight scores over doubles better and the same with isolations
- Andrew shot 42.7% from the field while Kobe was out this season on almost 20fga
- Andrew sees dips in his ts% and efg% when Kobe sits that bumps him down to average at best
- Dwight's defensive and rebounding metrics are better because he comes to play every night and is mobile
- History shows us with Shaq/Pau/Mihm/Lamar/Kwame that Kobe inflates the fg% of his bigs and that when they leave him their efficency all goes down, which brings me to the point that if history is a metric, Andrew is who he is now and will be that guy on another team with worse efficency as it is what historically happens

[DEEP3CL]

Howard: 20.6 ppg, .573 FG, 13.4 FGA per game, 3.7 OREB in 38.6 MPG

Bynum: 18.7 ppg, .558 FG, 13.3 FGA per game, 3.2 OREB in 35.2 MPG

Also noted: When Kobe was out of the lineup Bynum averaged a FG% of 42%.

Andrew Bynum greatly benefits from the other offensive threats that LA has specifically Kobe. He isnt that efficient when even weaker defensive teams key in on him. I know the 5 games when Kobe was out was a small sample but even in that stretch the best he shot from the field was .579 on 19 shots against the weak interior of the Nuggets. It's time to put the debate to rest that Bynum is a better offensive player than Howard. Howard may not have the prettiest moves but he gets the ball in the basket and has been the #1 option surrounded by mediocre talent for some time now. If you disagree please provide a strong argument to refute this post.

Yeah it's called getting doubled and tripled teamed. The defense was geared on stopping him. To down grade Howard's talent around him is foolish, considering their lead guard is better than what we had and some of their shooters were better than we put out on the court every game. Not buying that garbage, come with facts on why Orlando struggles to win with Dwight when it counts, those things as everyone knows is the structure in which they play the game. The individual numbers are moot.

It's only common sense that Drew's shooting percentage dropped without a threat like Kobe on the floor. Who else is going to draw a double or can make the defense sag ? Pau isn't a threat like that anymore as teams will play him straight up know full well we don't have shooters.

[kblo247]

Nelson was worse than Fish starting for us last year. He had a terrible condensed year

Even in games where Kobe and he both play, and Kobe sits, Bynums ts and efg% take a 3-5% dip each, whereas Kobe's goes up inversely when Bynum is off the floor and he has room to attack. In fact Kobe's numbers have done that during the whole triple tower run, gone up when Bynym sat and Pau/Odom were out there, just last year it was Pau and one of Josh/Jordan because the paint can't be walled off as easy

[DEEP3CL]

Nelson was worse than Fish starting for us last year. He had a terrible condensed year

Even in games where Kobe and he both play, and Kobe sits, Bynums ts and efg% take a 3-5% dip each, whereas Kobe's goes up inversely when Bynum is off the floor and he has room to attack. In fact Kobe's numbers have done that during the whole triple tower run, gone up when Bynym sat and Pau/Odom were out there, just last year it was Pau and one of Josh/Jordan because the paint can't be walled off as easy

Point is kblo247 is that Nelson is still better than Fish, I don't care how you're trying to decipher the difference. Condensed numbers are moot when talking about who Howard has played with and trying to wash down his talent when in a nut shell some of the pieces were better than what the Lakers had period. Yeah all of his parts around him haven't been that great, but it's also a reason besides the bad contracts that Turk and J-Rich have that the Magic are trying to get something for them. They can play despite what people think about them.

And trying to correlate everything Drew does to Kobe is getting too redundant .