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Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years

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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#141 » by drejeronfire » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:21 am

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drejeronfire wrote:I don't normally hype up rookies. But I have a good feeling about Shengelia. I'm not projecting star potential here, but when you look at the way he plays, the players Avery loves, and the Nets other options at backup SF... There is real potential for him to see minutes this year.

It would be one thing if the team's backup wings did not suck but look at our backups for crying out loud: Keith Bogans (how much does he really have left, after that injury?), Jerry Stackhouse (lol), MarShon Brooks (okay)...

The Tokomotive will see the light of day this year.


The thing is...most teams do not play big minutes to a back up at each position. Typically there are 3-4 bench guys...1 PG and 1 Big for sure plus 1-2 guys who get minutes at the 2-3-4 spots. Not saying that he wont ever play...and of course with injury his opportunity will go up.

Let me ask you this way. Of the 82 games we have this year...how many of those games do you project he will log minutes Vs. DNP's? And how many minutes do you project he will get per game by season average?


Around 8-10 MPG. Avery will start by playing the "proven" wings (MarShon, Bogans) early on, and Toko will strictly see Brian Scalabrine minutes at either of the forward positions... But eventually he'll creep his way into the rotation... There's no quit in him. It's a commendable trait that Avery flat out loves.

I'll put Toko's games played total at around 50...

(So once again I'm not preaching he's going to be a transcendent player, or even a guy that single-handedly wins games for the team off the bench, but I think given the other wings on the roster and the fairly good chance the Nets go small when Lopez is in foul trouble, etc. Toko will carve out a niche on the team this year.)
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#142 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:20 am

enetric wrote:Other than AK47...there is no one out there I would want more. If he suddenly pops up on our radar...we can do the happy dance together.


Hey....so can you explain the beard thing to me? I assume that isnt you...lol.

I do tend to rock a beard or some sort of facial hair mainly all the time and it just comes from this thing my friends and me used to say.

Like when you got a fresh cut and you'd say, "My haircut game is tight."

Someone we knew got this pretty elaborate design in their beard like 9 years ago and someone said "you got sick beard game kid" and it stuck to where whenever one of us had a tight beard or some scraggly out the woods **** you might say "My beard game is sick.", or you saw someone with a sick beard and so someone else would say, "Dude got sick beard game!"

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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#143 » by elcanis » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:26 pm

great now my thread is dead because some illiterate mod decided to move it here...

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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#144 » by PetroNet » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:30 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:I'd bet Toko sees 8 to 12 minutes per game and sees about 25 CD-DNP's.

*This of course is under the assumption we don't land AK, or sign a guy like Delfino or even make a small trade before the season starts.


12 mpg? some of the better reserve players around dont see that.

id guess 4mpg and 48 dnps
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#145 » by enetric » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:21 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:I'd bet Toko sees 8 to 12 minutes per game and sees about 25 CD-DNP's.

*This of course is under the assumption we don't land AK, or sign a guy like Delfino or even make a small trade before the season starts.


12 mpg? some of the better reserve players around dont see that.

id guess 4mpg and 48 dnps



Thats more realistic. And average can be deceiving. I should have said how many minutes in rotation. Because extended garbage time can pad averages.

I wouldnt get attached to any of these guys. If any "prospects" show promise they will be served up in a Dwight offer come January. So? I would LOVE to see this kid break out. Makes him a better trade chip. I am jut not counting on a team with playoff aspirations finding serious rotation minutes for a late 2nd rounder
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#146 » by N Ireland Nets » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:07 pm

Brook Lopez has a player option in his final year of his 4 year deal ( http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/nets.jsp )

So if Howard hasn't been traded to the Lakers and we're in a great position to make a great offer to Orlando. Lopez's contract is miles better than what Bynum will be getting paid and it mean's the Magic would basically have Lopez on a 2 year $29,182,782 deal.

To me that's huge as it further enables more flexibility for Orlando going forward. It seems Hump and Lopez's deal were made with a potential Howard deal in Jan or pre deadline in mind.

So Hump's deal expires in 2014 for $12m and Lopez's deal will expire in 2015 for $15m roughly as he will very likely opt out of his deal to get a long term contract.

Do you think this makes a Lopez for Howard deal more attractive for Orlando?
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#147 » by deepblueday » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:13 pm

theres absolutely no reason to say its very likely brook will opt out of that final year at this point.

the magic just signed jameer nelson to 25 over 3. seems like the dwightmare has broken their brains, dont think that organization even gives a **** anymore.
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#148 » by enetric » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:33 am

N Ireland Nets wrote:Brook Lopez has a player option in his final year of his 4 year deal ( http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/nets.jsp )

So if Howard hasn't been traded to the Lakers and we're in a great position to make a great offer to Orlando. Lopez's contract is miles better than what Bynum will be getting paid and it mean's the Magic would basically have Lopez on a 2 year $29,182,782 deal.

To me that's huge as it further enables more flexibility for Orlando going forward. It seems Hump and Lopez's deal were made with a potential Howard deal in Jan or pre deadline in mind.

So Hump's deal expires in 2014 for $12m and Lopez's deal will expire in 2015 for $15m roughly as he will very likely opt out of his deal to get a long term contract.

Do you think this makes a Lopez for Howard deal more attractive for Orlando?

Now isnt that what I have been saying over and over and over again?!
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#152 » by enetric » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:56 pm

So they are saying Lopez has a 15% trade kicker. I forget. Can a TK be salary matched? So in other words...say Lopez would be owed a 6K trade kicker for remaining seasons after this one. Can that salary be added in and allow us to take back more salary from Orlando?
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Post#153 » by enetric » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:15 pm

Oh...and I know that the K has to be paid upfront. But does it get added to the receiving team's salary cap in some way?
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#154 » by enetric » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:42 pm

Ok. Here are the rules. One piece of good news, the TK isnt forced onto Orlando. Under the new rules we pay it. But there are still trade issues to deal with from a salary matching and cap standpoint. So lets break this down into impact of a Dwight trade....

Notes on trade bonuses:

For contracts and extensions signed before the current CBA took effect, a trade bonus is paid by the team receiving the player. For contracts and extensions signed under the current CBA, a trade bonus is paid by the team trading away the player.

Option years are not counted when determining the remaining value of the contract, unless already exercised. ETOs are counted.

Incentive compensation is not counted when determining the remaining value of the contract -- just base compensation.

A trade bonus cannot cause a player's salary to exceed the maximum salary, based on his years of service, during the year of the trade (see question number 96 for more information on this).
The value of a trade bonus is pro-rated during the season. In the above example, if the player is traded halfway through the fifth season, then the trade bonus would be $75,000.

96. How do trade bonuses affect team salary and trades?

The value of a trade bonus is applied to the team salary among the remaining years of the contract (excluding non-guaranteed years -- see question number 62, and years following an Option or ETO -- see question number 57), in proportion to the percentage of salary in each of those seasons that is guaranteed. For example, suppose the player from question number 95 is traded at the start of the fourth season of his contract. Per the chart in that question, the actual value of his trade bonus that season is $300,000. If every season of the contract is guaranteed, and there is no Early Termination Option, then $150,000 of the trade bonus is charged to each of the final two seasons of the player's contract, so a total of $1,150,000 is included in the team salary in each of those seasons. (Note that the allocation is not proportionate to the salary itself, but rather to how much of the salary is guaranteed. If the player from question number 95 had a higher salary in the fifth season than in the fourth season, his bonus would still be allocated equally to those seasons. However, if the fifth season was only 50% guaranteed, then two-thirds of the bonus would be allocated to the fourth seasons, and one-third to the fifth season.)

Suppose the same player has an Early Termination Option following the fifth season of his contract. In this event, the entire trade bonus would be allocated to the fourth season of the contract. The player would therefore count $1,300,000 against the team salary during that season.

In the special case of a contract where all additional years are non-guaranteed, the entire trade bonus is applied to the cap in the season in which the trade occurred.

Trade bonuses can be a nuisance. When a team trades for a player with a trade bonus, it must count the portion of the bonus that applies to team salary in that season as incoming salary. Let's say a taxpaying team wants to trade their $800,000 player for the player used in the example above, in the fourth season of that player's contract. Assuming there is no Early Termination Option or non-guaranteed season, $150,000 of the trade bonus counts in the current season, so the trade cannot be made. The team trading the $800,000 player can accept up to $1,100,000 in return (see question number 80), but the player with the trade bonus counts as $1,150,000 in incoming salary.

The CBA allows the player to waive part of his trade bonus, if necessary to make a trade permissible. To make the above trade work, the player would need to waive $100,000 of his $300,000 trade bonus. The bonus would then be worth $200,000, and $100,000 of that would be charged to the current season. The player would therefore count $1,100,000 as incoming salary, which exactly matches the maximum the other team can accept in return for their $800,000 player. The player is not allowed to waive more than the amount necessary to make the trade legal.

A player is also allowed to waive a portion of his trade bonus to make his incoming salary fit within another team's trade exception (see question number 82). In the above example, if the other team has a $1 million trade exception (and is not trading an $800,000 player), the player would have to waive his entire trade bonus in order for his incoming salary to fit within the trade exception.

Another potential difficulty is that a team trading a player with a trade bonus uses the player's pre-trade salary (without the bonus), when comparing salaries for trade. Here is another example, using the same player as before (assume the player's team is a taxpayer, and can accept 125% plus $100,000 of the player's outgoing salary).This time, let's assume our player has an Early Termination Option following the fourth season of his contract, so if he is traded during the fourth season, the entire bonus is allocated to that season. This means that following a trade, $1,300,000 would be included in his new team's team salary. Suppose a taxpaying team wants to trade their $1,400,000 player for this player. That team can accept $1,850,000 for their player, and since our player counts $1,300,000 as incoming salary, there's no problem on their end. But our player counts for $1 million as outgoing salary, so the most we can accept in return is $1,350,000. This means the trade doesn't work from our end. And in this case, waiving a portion of the trade bonus will not help.

A player's salary added to his trade bonus cannot exceed the maximum for that season (based on years of service). For example, in 2011-12 the maximum salary for a player with 7-9 years of service is $15,506,632. If such a player has a $15 million salary and a $1 million trade bonus, then his trade bonus is pared down to $506,632 when he is traded. This happens automatically -- the player has no say in the matter. The same is true for trades of rookie scale contracts that include a trade bonus. If the salary added to the trade bonus exceeds 120% of the player's scale salary amount (see question number 48) the trade bonus is reduced automatically when the player is traded.

If a team is capped at the "apron" ($4 million over the tax line) because it has used the Bi-Annual exception, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or (beginning in 2013-14) acquired a player in a sign-and-trade transaction, and wants to acquire a player whose salary added to his trade bonus exceeds the apron, then the trade bonus cannot be reduced (even with the player's consent); the trade is simply illegal.

There is no recomputation of the allocation of a trade bonus based on whether the player does or does not invoke an option or ETO. For example, if a player with a five-year contract and an ETO following the fourth season is traded during the fourth season of his contract, then his entire trade bonus is charged to the team salary that season. If the player does not invoke his ETO that summer (locking in the fifth season), the allocation of the trade bonus does not change -- none of the bonus is charged to the fifth season. In other words, the allocation of a trade bonus always reflects the state of the contract at the time of the trade.
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#155 » by Morthello » Wed Aug 1, 2012 1:37 pm

According to Bondy the nets have dismissed the Lopez trade kicker as inaccurate.
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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#156 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Aug 1, 2012 3:58 pm

Morthello wrote:According to Bondy the nets have dismissed the Lopez trade kicker as inaccurate.

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Re: Official: Brook Lopez Re-Signs: $61 million/4 years 

Post#157 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Aug 1, 2012 4:07 pm

Lopez Trade Kicker is irrelevant right now if it even exists because he cannot make more then then the maximum allowed by the CBA per his years of service.

If he has a TK, it's written in there as sort of insurance in case he is traded in year 3 or 4 of his deal and the cap has swelled exponentially to where it affords him more money.
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