If Not Howard or Bynum Then Who????????

[Anklebreaker702]

You're missing the point. I said all those all those things about Howard. I've even said Howard is better. The point of this whole thread was since Bynum is such trash who's better besides Howard. There still has been no answer for that. Then you guys find a way to keep turning this back into a Bynum v Howard thread. Read my op again, you'll see that's not the point of this thread.

It's Bynum v the rest of the Centers in this league besides Howard

Well, you started this thread as a rhetorical question in your own mind:

There isn't anybody else. I would rather have either one of the top 2 centers in the league than anyone else that the Lakers front office could realistically trade Bynum for at this point.

Exactly.

so when a few people people did answer, you just dismissed the ideas and said that nobody has answered the question yet. So I'd say that's probably why it turned into another Bynum/Howard thread.

Dont just post quotes that back your argument. Everyone who had a guy that they would go with for the most part I said it was logical. Especially Marc Gasol. What I said was never answered was who's better besides Dwight. A few guys even said no one but this is who I'd take. That is the premise of what the thread is about.

[Anklebreaker702]

Sports aint a job interview. It's more akin to buying horses or cars, you compare em side by side and say what is in the hood or breed to make them tick. Andrew is a commodity, not an employee or job hopeful, he has to be compared to other cars/horses/players to compare his level of efficiency, athleticism, durability, and you get a car fax whenever possible.

I'm keeping it real. Straight facts. He was forced to do that when hurt because Phil benched his ass from jump in the Utah series when he didn't in favor of LO starting and Luke getting PF minutes. Phil was always point blank those two runs about what he expected from a hobbled Bynum and what had to be dj d for him to play. I'm being real when I say thus teams success came off Pau at C and Odom at PF majorly for three finals runs. I'm being real when I say Pau and Andre been together for years and still don't have full offensive let alone defensive synergy night to night, and that Pau was a better C than Bynum is now. I'm also just being real when I say I'd ship his ass out bag less for Dwight and that when healthy Marc and Bogut for their careers are closer to Andrew at 2 than he is to Dwight, and that when they all are healthy Bogut and Marc fill dynamic needs of this team.

We ain't interviewing for a job. We picking out a car or horse because that's what a player is,especially a max one, an investment you ride to the wheels fall off or glue factory in the field and in the bank account

My point still stands. It's not the bad things about the horse or car that you look for, it the good points about the one you chose that should ultimately make the difference.

[Anklebreaker702]

This thread and other threads about Bynum stemmed from the trade rumors and my thread about the Bynum better on offense myth. There is no problem with building a case for Bynum. He is talented good player but the constant statements about him being better than Howard on offense was started this year after a few good games and the ESPN media specifically First Take wanting to create drama. The facts have proven that Bynum is not better than Howard on offense on comparable and thats mainly due to the tools Drew has. Thats not a knock or indictment on him its just the truth. Once you guys get off the Bynum will be better than Howard if he does this this and that tip then alot of this will die down. In the end the 2 shouldnt be compared because Howard has been producing on an elite level for about 5 years now. Bynum has had one full season where he played relatively on the elite level. Does Bynum have a future as a star? Maybe. I'd be more comfy going forward with him if we had a younger PG to ride out with. Steve Nash may last 2 years as well as Kobe. We've seen what Howard can do Bynum is 7 years in and has yet to so us consistency they need to trust him.

Stebo why do you keep beating a dead horse? Howard > Bynum has already been established & you keep seeming to want to drive a point home that's already understood

[kblo247]

Sports aint a job interview. It's more akin to buying horses or cars, you compare em side by side and say what is in the hood or breed to make them tick. Andrew is a commodity, not an employee or job hopeful, he has to be compared to other cars/horses/players to compare his level of efficiency, athleticism, durability, and you get a car fax whenever possible.

I'm keeping it real. Straight facts. He was forced to do that when hurt because Phil benched his ass from jump in the Utah series when he didn't in favor of LO starting and Luke getting PF minutes. Phil was always point blank those two runs about what he expected from a hobbled Bynum and what had to be dj d for him to play. I'm being real when I say thus teams success came off Pau at C and Odom at PF majorly for three finals runs. I'm being real when I say Pau and Andre been together for years and still don't have full offensive let alone defensive synergy night to night, and that Pau was a better C than Bynum is now. I'm also just being real when I say I'd ship his ass out bag less for Dwight and that when healthy Marc and Bogut for their careers are closer to Andrew at 2 than he is to Dwight, and that when they all are healthy Bogut and Marc fill dynamic needs of this team.

We ain't interviewing for a job. We picking out a car or horse because that's what a player is,especially a max one, an investment you ride to the wheels fall off or glue factory in the field and in the bank account

My point still stands. It's not the bad things about the horse or car that you look for, it the good points about the one you chose that should ultimately make the difference.

Look now, I bought three cars in my life, and I mean bought outright. I go over them butches with a fine tooth comb on the lot, as well as my next three choices. Inside, out, and history report. You have to if you are truly looking to keep a commodity worth something and trading in something you know inside and out. Come to **** the dealer over, not get **** is what I was told

That's how an owner and gm has to approach it too. They have to do background checks, medical screenings, synergy studies, analytical, cost benefit analysis, and so on. Being real here, they are tearing down every injury Andrew has had both Mitch and Orlando, every suspension, and every stat because they need to know what he is actually worth and what the value he has in comparison to the alternatives are, straight pro/con without asterisks or ifs

[Anklebreaker702]

KB you still don't get the fact you are proving my point.

[Stebo_SSK]

KB you still don't get the fact you are proving my point.

To answer your question with this roster I'd take Marc Gasol for the 14.5-15 mil he makes over Bynum at 20 million. Bynum is better than Marc if he wants to be.

[Anklebreaker702]

KB you still don't get the fact you are proving my point.

[Anklebreaker702]

KB you still don't get the fact you are proving my point.

To answer your question with this roster I'd take Marc Gasol for the 14.5-15 mil he makes over Bynum at 20 million. Bynum is better than Marc if he wants to be.

Now we're getting to the crux of what this thread was about in the first place & I concussion with Marc

[kblo247]

You ignore me saying Marc because of the Princeton offense/cost/less wtf moments, a healthy Bogut for a defensive anchor with comparable career everything, or packages around Noah and Horford that fill more needs?

I like Tyson but is price tag is so wtf

[Anklebreaker702]

You ignore me saying Marc because of the Princeton offense/cost/less wtf moments, a healthy Bogut for a defensive anchor with comparable career everything, or packages around Noah and Horford that fill more needs?

I like Tyson but is price tag is so wtf

No I didn't ignore it. I like Gasol but not Noah or Chandler.

[DEEP3CL]

KB you still don't get the fact you are proving my point.

To answer your question with this roster I'd take Marc Gasol for the 14.5-15 mil he makes over Bynum at 20 million. Bynum is better than Marc if he wants to be.

What hell does the money he earns have to do with this ? That is one puss a$$ way to still take a pot shot at him, like I told you in another thread just admit that you hate him and I can respect that more from you. You find any and every way to down Drew.......weak if you ask me.

[Stebo_SSK]

Warned for several reasons... But personal attacks top the list

[Anklebreaker702]

Stebo, I don't see Drew coming up horribly short though he has his short comings. I think you feel its horribly short because you compare him to what you feel D Ho would do on this team.

[Anklebreaker702]

And for the record.................I will be sticking around for this dog fight!

[ALL HAIL]

Five dollars you all are all providing answers ... but to entirely different questions.

[LakersSquad]

With Kobe, Gasol, and Nash, we really don't need anymore offense from our Center, especially when our Center's main scoring output comes from ISOs in the post. With teams like OKC and Miami just straight up running us out of the gym, we need someone who will run the floor and guard the paint for us. Bynum just isn't that guy. He CAN be, but he's just too lazy and too inconsistent in that regard, which is why it might be better to trade him to win NOW because

1. Gasol becomes much more effective when Bynum isn't on the floor
2. Bynum is EASILY our best trade asset right now and we can fix all our problems by trading him.

I totally disagree. Prior to last season no small ball team has won a championship. Dallas beat that same Miami team with two 7 footers. Lakers have failed the past two seasons not because of defense. Not because of the pg position. We failed because of no bench and no shooters. What did the Miami have that we didnt? Bench scoring Mike Miller(shooter), Shane(shooter),& Haslem. What did OKC have? A point guard who broke down the defense AND GUARD to score off the bench. Lakers was in pretty much every game vs Dallas & OKC minus the closeout game vs Dallas. Turnovers and a tired Kobe trying to do too much at the end of the game lead to losses. Today we have one of the best PGs in the league. Top 5 some would say top 3. We haven't had a drop off in talent since last season and added Nash & Jamison, and Hill for a full season. we don't need Howard. it'll be nice to have him but it's not a need. the need for a competent Kobe back up is more of a need.

[Kilroy]

And for the record.................I will be sticking around for this dog fight!

No you won't... This was an ill-conceived thread in the first place and has degenerated into a lame Bynum bashing exercise like several other similar threads.

There's been a lot of over the top abrasiveness and over reactions lately... Consider this a general warning... If you can't respond to people without acting like an ass, save us all the trouble and just go away.