Most Victories for 2012-13 Season: Dallas or Brooklyn?

[ManuGino]

I don't think either team hits 50 wins to be quite honest.

I want to give the edge to Dallas (because Dirk is such a competitor, and Carlisle is a top 5 coach), but they have two big big problems: their backcourt and the fact that they are in the West. Its arguable that they will actually miss the playoffs or fight for the 8 seed if Memphis, Minny and Golden State get their ish together. Collison and OJ Mayo has got to be one of the 2-3 worst starting backcourts in the league right now (undersized, not very efficient, poor defense, etc...).

Brooklyn added a top 10 SG and that's about it. Lopez is still going to be injury prone, and unable to get a rebound for his life. Gerald Wallace is a nice piece, but I just don't see him being the Wallace of 5 years ago. Deron could have a great season, but I think he should have gone to Indiana and been in the running for MVP. Brooklyn moved around some bench players, but i don't think any of it was very significant. On top of all of that, they have the highest payroll in the league and can't really make additions except through trades.

[lilojmayo]

Mavs got a lot better and Dirk won't be playing out of shape and hurt the first 1/3 of the season again. Only way the Mavericks don't win 50 games is if Dirk gets hurt.


Not like it matters though. Unless OJ finally turns into the all star he was supposed to be or the Nets trade for Dwight neither one are legit contenders.

The OP , should have titled this thread that way. That's basical going to determine this outcome.


Never bet against an Dirk-Mayo led team that's all I know

[LApwnd]

Never bet against an Dirk-Mayo led team that's all I know

what? what have they done together again?

[Texas Chuck]

This question seems on the surface really simple and boils down to the answer to this question:

Can the Nets win 55 games? In Dirk's prime the Mavericks have won a minimum of 50 games in every full season. And only 3 of those 11 years did they win less than 55. Ive been really down on Dallas this offseason but lets face it--Dirk always gets the Mavericks over 50 wins regardless of who his supporting cast is.

I know Joe thinks Im anti-Nets but Dirk is so much better than anyone they have including Deron. In fact if Dirk was in his prime I wouldnt trade him for the entire Net roster. Obv hes coming to the end of his prime but since for this discussion we only have to worry about one year--Im taking Dallas despite the tougher conference.

[Mobby]

I'm surprised that nobody notice the incorrect usage of "MOST" rather than "MORE" as we are comparing two teams. Oh well.

I still think it's Dallas despite playing in a more tougher conference.

I always say if you're gonna point out spelling or grammar errors...

[kasino]

yea depends on how good Mayo will be as the clear 2nd option

[BlueDawn]

I'm surprised that nobody notice the incorrect usage of "MOST" rather than "MORE" as we are comparing two teams. Oh well.

I still think it's Dallas despite playing in a more tougher conference.

I'm surprised you didn't notice the redundancy of what I bolded.

"More better" "More brighter" "More tougher"

You're already using a superlative, no need to add the "more" .

Oh well.

[Rockice_24]

This is Brooklyn pretty easily. I think they'll win 50 games or very close to it. I think DAL is a few games better then .500

Collison is a backup player/fringe starter at best (he lost his job to Hill last year)
Mayo is the poster boy for the underachievers but I think he'll fit well in DAL
Marion - still love his game but he's going on 35 so he's lost a step
Dirk - coming off his worst season might be officially on the decline if he doesn't pick it up this year but still a star
Kaman - is even more injury prone then Lopez and when healthy nothing more then average anyway.

vs.

D-Will - is a star in his prime enough said
JJ - will benefit from having D-Will so he won't be playing the ISO-Joe role (still top 5 at his position despite what you think of his contract)
Wallace - still a very capable defender and the perfect glue guy like Marion is for DAL
Hump - one of the top rebounders in the whole league and has a much improved offensive game
Lopez - one of the more talented offensive Centers in the league, needs to be doubled most of the time.

Only one guy Dirk over Hump can clearly be said to be better in DAL starting 5 over Brooklyn's. I'd say Marion and Wallace is the only other one that's even close but Wallace is 5 years younger and has the slight edge in stats/eff so I'd take him.

Taking the better starting 5 and the weaker conference in to play and the Nets should easily be the better team.

[Texas Chuck]

Mostly agree with that lineup comparison Rock, but you left out Brand and Kamen/Brand is a far better center combo than Lopez/not sure. Id take Brand over Brook for this season alone not counting Kamen.

But see Dirk impacts the game so much more than anyone you have. You seem to be saying Mavs have a star, Brooklyn has a star, Brooklyn's starters are better, neither team is deep so adv Brooklyn. But it doesnt work like that. The best players are just so much more impactful than 3rd,4th,5th best players. Dirk is a top 10 player in the league at minimum. You dont have a single guy in the top 25. You might have 2 guys in the top 50 and 4 in the top 100 but superstars just equate to wins so much more esp if the good but not great players arent great defensively.

[PetroNet]

Two teams with very different approaches under the new CBA: The Mavericks missed out on Deron, but recovered nicely with a number of one year contract players. The Nets tried to appease Deron, won his services and added several long term parts. Without regard to salary OR future flexibility to add players, which team do you feel will have the best record in the coming season?

While the board sometimes gets accused of a discernible Eastern bias, most on the board will likely rely on roster analysis, coaching and other variables

nets with more talent in a weaker conference. seems like a no brainer.

[PetroNet]

Gonna pick the Mavs, don't think Brooklyn's got a great bench. East is really weak this year though.

who exactly is on the mavs bench?

Watson/Brooks/Teletovic/Evans... pretty solid

[PetroNet]

What did the Nets do aside from change address and add Joe Johnson? .

Added brook lopez
added gerald wallace
added mirza teletovic
added reggie evans

that along with adding joe johnson is alot more of a talent influx then what dallas has done

[DarkXaero]

Dirk is a top 10 player in the league at minimum. You dont have a single guy in the top 25. You might have 2 guys in the top 50 and 4 in the top 100 but superstars just equate to wins so much more esp if the good but not great players arent great defensively.

Wait, what? Are we forgetting about Deron?

[sfernald]

While the board sometimes gets accused of a discernible Eastern bias, most on the board will likely rely on roster analysis, coaching and other variables

WTF?

What forum and users are you taking about?

I picked the bottom option, only because my left ball itched and It was easier to hit that one while holding the iPad in one hand.

[[GR]]

The East is easily as good as the West is 1-10. They are just much better 1-3.

[Nowitness]

Gonna pick the Mavs, don't think Brooklyn's got a great bench. East is really weak this year though.

who exactly is on the mavs bench?

Watson/Brooks/Teletovic/Evans... pretty solid

West/Brand/Carter/Roddy/Dahntay Jones beat those guys easy.

[sefant77]

Different conferences, so pretty stupid question or poll.

[Nowitness]

The East is easily as good as the West is 1-10. They are just much better 1-3.

10 teams in the West (in no specific order)
LA
OKC
SA
DAL
LAC
MEM
UTA
MIN
DEN
POR

all can make the playoffs.

Only team that's truly bad in the West is SAC, and that's mainly because they can't get their team to blend together.

East:
MIA
BOS
NY
CHI
IND
BKN
PHI
Only teams that even have playoff talent squads.

[Texas Chuck]

Dirk is a top 10 player in the league at minimum. You dont have a single guy in the top 25. You might have 2 guys in the top 50 and 4 in the top 100 but superstars just equate to wins so much more esp if the good but not great players arent great defensively.

Wait, what? Are we forgetting about Deron?

do you honestly think he is 1 of the 25 best players in the league right now? For this season only. Not taking age into account. Of course he isnt. And all that matters in this debate is this season.

[BlueDawn]

Dirk is a top 10 player in the league at minimum. You dont have a single guy in the top 25. You might have 2 guys in the top 50 and 4 in the top 100 but superstars just equate to wins so much more esp if the good but not great players arent great defensively.

Wait, what? Are we forgetting about Deron?

do you honestly think he is 1 of the 25 best players in the league right now? For this season only. Not taking age into account. Of course he isnt. And all that matters in this debate is this season.