Magic Under Fire For Donation Which Opposes Gay Marriage

[LikeABosh]

Duh ?

So what difference does it make? There's no "malfunction" in gays

[bullsnewdynasty]

We must protect the sanctity of marriage! lame.

There are so many benefits of being married that just make life easier if you are a life partner with someone. My wife for example, say she gets in a near fatal car crash, I can go to the hospital, say I"m her husband, and they'll bring me in the room to see her. If I"m her "boyfriend" I likely would not be granted that right, let alone power of attorney should medical decisions be required.

If she dies I'm the default beneficiary, but not if I was her bf. People being gay doesn't affect any of us and nothing changes when they're married to affect us. I genuinely believe that in 50 years people will be as embarrassed to say they opposed gay marriage as people who 50 years ago did not want women voting or non-segregated schools.

Even if they are guardians of children?

[RIPskaterdude]

Why can't they simply just give the exact rights and tax benefits under an union as people receive in a marriage? Same benefits, same rights, different name. I figure that would be fine with the religious people.

Ideally this is how is would be. You get the government out of the marriage business altogether and have the government provide civil unions to couples. Then, if you choose to marry through the church of your choice, you're free to.

Exactly. So why not fight for that instead of fighting a battle against the bible belt?

[lakerz12]

Some people completely misunderstand many of those people who do not support gay marriage. It has nothing to do with their feelings towards homosexuals as individuals or as a group. It simply has to do with their belief in what marriage is.

No, we understand this perfectly. However, we also think that allowing your beliefs to dictate what your fellow citizens may or may not do is a horrible idea.

Basically, this. If you want to claim your church shouldn't be able to wed two people of the same gender, fine. The problem comes when two people who love each other try to get the same rights as heterosexual couples and are refused. For example, prior to the recent changes in hospitalization laws I've seen men and women come to visit their partner in the hospital only to be turned away because they are technically not a spouse. Were they trying to destroy the "sanctity of marriage" or ruin <insert your religion here>? Nope. They just wanted to see the person they loved who very well may be dying.

Yeah I understand. When it comes to the interaction of Church and State, it gets complicated. If/When same sex couples are granted an official State Union/Marriage it still will not be the marriage as defined by the Bible -- they are two completely different things in a sense, being called the same thing

What I'm saying is that those who call someone a bigot, homophobe, anti-gay, hater of homosexuals, etc. for opposing gay marriage are ignorant and wrong.

You can oppose gay marriage (because you view marriage as only possible between man and woman) and still love those practicing homosexuality with all your heart

[og15]

FYI : A truth has to be a fact, a fact has to be proven a certainty.

therefore both statements are not "truths".

Then we're not born straight either

Sexual orientation is a complicated process that has many factors playing into it. There isn't some easy answer, and research is still being done with it. There's a combination of both nature and nurture with differing impacts amongst different people.

[Muggsy Bogues]

Oh? Okay then, what's it say?

Maybe you do understand, but let me make it clear.

It means that the government can't establish a national religion like the Church of England.

It also means that the government cannot prefer one religion over another, religion over no religion, or no religion over religion.

So it really depends on whether you feel marriage is religious or not. If marriage is religious, then the government cannot intrude on it.

That's my interpretation of the law as well. But in denying gays the ability to marry in accordance with Christian (well, Abrahamic really) religious principles, is the government not actually favoring a religion or class of religions above all others?

[MannyRam99]

Duh ?

So what difference does it make? There's no "malfunction" in gays

I never said there was , you're mistaken me for strengthNhonor.

[LikeABosh]

I never said there was , you're mistaken me for strengthNhonor.

I did. Sorry

[RIPskaterdude]

The government is not favoring a religion over another, they are just staying out of it completely.

[Morthello]

Homosexuals cannot reproduce and bear children. It is not a normal union. I don't care if they are both adult humans. There are a lot of things that adult humans can or can't do, and we accept it. Why are gays special?

So, I don't support gay marriage. It is a biological malfunction of the human body. That's all it is. But some people in this country are filled with political correctness and want so badly to turn this into another black Civil Rights 2.0

Fact : Males are evolved, biologically, to procreate with females. If you are born homosexual and refuse to do that, then you have a malfunction. It is a genetic abnormality, same as being born with a a chemical imbalance in the brain or a 3rd leg or arm.

Lol im a straight male with absolutely no desire to ever have children. Do i have a malfunction? I didnt know marriage was only about reproducing.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

If you are born homosexual and refuse to do that, then you have a malfunction. It is a genetic abnormality, same as being born with a a chemical imbalance in the brain or a 3rd leg or arm.

There are a huge, HUGE, amount of straight people born with chemical imbalances, too. Should we ban them from getting married, too? So no one with manic depression should be allowed to marry? Should they get beaten for being bi-polar? Should we bully manic depressives in high school?

Manic depressives can take medicine and go through therapy to correct their issue. Even then, they can still have children and are part of the normal procreation process, the normal union between man and woman that is the backbone of human civilization, the backbone of human existence, really.

1) Homosexuals don't want to accept that they are born with a genetic defect.

2) Their genetic defect is perverse to most of us. It is wrong. We don't want to legitimize this perverse existence by putting it on equal footing to the real human family nucleus.

[Mobat]

If you are born homosexual and refuse to do that, then you have a malfunction. It is a genetic abnormality, same as being born with a a chemical imbalance in the brain or a 3rd leg or arm.

There are a huge, HUGE, amount of straight people born with chemical imbalances, too. Should we ban them from getting married, too? So no one with manic depression should be allowed to marry? Should they get beaten for being bi-polar? Should we bully manic depressives in high school?

Manic depressives can take medicine and go through therapy to correct their issue. Even then, they can still have children and are part of the normal procreation process, the normal union between man and woman that is the backbone of human civilization, the backbone of human existence, really.

1) Homosexuals don't want to accept that they are born with a genetic defect.

2) Their genetic defect is perverse to most of us. It is wrong. We don't want to legitimize this perverse existence by putting it on equal footing to the real human family nucleus.

The Aryan Race is above all!

[LikeABosh]

Sexual orientation is a complicated process that has many factors playing into it. There isn't some easy answer, and research is still being done with it. There's a combination of both nature and nurture with differing impacts amongst different people.

That's what I was thinking. It's not as simple as being born black or white. Science can actually explain that

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Lol im a straight male with absolutely no desire to ever have children. Do i have a malfunction? I didnt know marriage was only about reproducing.

No, you don't have one. You love women (as you were evolved to do, correctly) and it is only modern birth control science that is helping you. If you lived 200 years ago with no contraceptives, you'd have children by now, whether you liked it or not.

[lakerz12]

If you are born homosexual and refuse to do that, then you have a malfunction. It is a genetic abnormality, same as being born with a a chemical imbalance in the brain or a 3rd leg or arm.

There are a huge, HUGE, amount of straight people born with chemical imbalances, too. Should we ban them from getting married, too? So no one with manic depression should be allowed to marry? Should they get beaten for being bi-polar? Should we bully manic depressives in high school?

Manic depressives can take medicine and go through therapy to correct their issue. Even then, they can still have children and are part of the normal procreation process, the normal union between man and woman that is the backbone of human civilization, the backbone of human existence, really.

1) Homosexuals don't want to accept that they are born with a genetic defect.

2) Their genetic defect is perverse to most of us. It is wrong. We don't want to legitimize this perverse existence by putting it on equal footing to the real human family nucleus.

There is no scientific proof that homosexuality is genetic. Studies are currently inconclusive, with evidence both for and against

Your idea that it is a genetic defect and that that is the reason people are opposed to gay marriage belongs to a very very small minority of people.

I am heterosexual and I find your statements about homosexuals very offensive. They are simply wrong and unfair.

Please don't group yourself with everyone who opposes gay "marriage"

[Ninjek]

Strange, i could've swore i clicked on General NBA discussion and not the "my beliefs vs your beliefs" forum.

Oh well, i'll go find the NBA discussion forum.

[Muggsy Bogues]

The government is not favoring a religion over another, they are just staying out of it completely.

Not quite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

There is no scientific proof that homosexuality is genetic. Studies are currently inconclusive, with evidence both for and against

All gay people say they were born that way.

Maybe they are confused and just believe their own deceptive reality. I don't know for sure, but I take them at their word for it.

[og15]

Oh? Okay then, what's it say?

Maybe you do understand, but let me make it clear.

It means that the government can't establish a national religion like the Church of England.

It also means that the government cannot prefer one religion over another, religion over no religion, or no religion over religion.

So it really depends on whether you feel marriage is religious or not. If marriage is religious, then the government cannot intrude on it.

That's my interpretation of the law as well. But in denying gays the ability to marry in accordance with Christian (well, Abrahamic really) religious principles, is the government not actually favoring a religion or class of religions above all others?

I think part of the problem is that a good amount of the people in the debate don't really understand the other side.

One side is saying "marriage" is between men and women, as in the definition of that word, so gay people shouldn't have "marriage", more of a cultural, worldview and definition battle. Then another side is fighting to say that the government should allow them to get the benefit of civil union, but asking for it as "marriage", while the first people are saying "that isn't marriage", asking for a "rights" issue, but delving into cultural and worldview issue.

Of course the reality is that it isn't that clear cut. Some people don't necessarily just want civil union, they want what they have to be called marriage, which is what has been defined as between a man and a woman, less of a "rights" fight and more of a culture type of battle. Then there might be a few on the other hand who don't want gay people to get any government type union acknowledgment, which is a rights issue, and not a culture related one.

[lakerz12]

There is no scientific proof that homosexuality is genetic. Studies are currently inconclusive, with evidence both for and against

All gay people say they were born that way.

Maybe they are confused and just believe their own deceptive reality. I don't know for sure, but I take them at their word for it.

Well that is obviously completely subjective and far from strong evidence.

But if you like, do a search on Google for people who used to practice homosexuality and are now heterosexual