Magic Under Fire For Donation Which Opposes Gay Marriage

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Still, it is wrong to call it the traditional foundation of human existence. I wonder how humans survived before Judeo-Christian marriage in Asia...which has the bulk of human populations and predates Christianity...

I wonder if Christian marriage impinged on their traditional foundation of human existences.

Again, you need to educate yourself on a subject before you comment on it... before you were criticizing scientific biological facts....

now you are on about marriage.

Marriage did not begin with Christianity. It is VERY old. The union of a man and a woman is much older than that, and it was spread around every corner of the earth, including Asia. Even the oldest civilizations in recorded history, such as Ancient Egypt, held marriage as a sacred bond/union between man and woman.

The foundation for all human existence is Father-Mother-Child. It is the backbone of all civilization.

[jaze89]

I've read a variety of forums with a variety of topics; this thread is one of maybe 2 I've read in my life that have actually made me disgusted with people. It actually depresses me.

EDIT: People aren't born bigots, it's a choice. Homosexuality, however, is not a choice.

Homosexuality is certainly a choice

Only an ignorant person would say or believe that. Sexuality is not something you choose. The act of sex? Sure. However, people shouldn't be forced to be celibate if their sexual behavior doesn't harm anyone.

[Doo Doo_Brown]

If gays are really born that way, then yes, it is a malfunction. Males reproductive systems evolved specifically to procreate with females. This is a scientific fact. If a gay is behaving like a woman, and wants males instead of women, then obviously there was a genetic defect with that person. It's probably linked to the brain and hormones, working incorrectly.

So Michael Phelps has some kind of genetic defect because he loves to swim? He's spent a lifetime doing something our bodies arent meant to do.

What a ridiculous argument to make.

[peja drobnjak]

Marriage did not begin with Christianity. It is VERY old. The union of a man and a woman is much older than that, and it was spread around every corner of the earth, including Asia.

and veddy veddy old marriage wasn't generally monogamous

are you down with that? do you see a biological basis for poly-type relationships too?

[christian72589]

If gays are really born that way, then yes, it is a malfunction. Males reproductive systems evolved specifically to procreate with females. This is a scientific fact. If a gay is behaving like a woman, and wants males instead of women, then obviously there was a genetic defect with that person. It's probably linked to the brain and hormones, working incorrectly.

So Michael Phelps has some kind of genetic defect because he loves to swim? He's spent a lifetime doing something our bodies arent meant to do.

What a ridiculous argument to make.

Humans weren't meant to swim? Human beings evolved from the sea as did all life... If we weren't meant to swim, we wouldn't be able to, just as we aren't able to fly without the use of a machine....

Humans were not meant to live permanently under water, no.... but yes we are designed with the ability to swim. Not the best comparison

[lovethewire]

I've read a variety of forums with a variety of topics; this thread is one of maybe 2 I've read in my life that have actually made me disgusted with people. It actually depresses me.

EDIT: People aren't born bigots, it's a choice. Homosexuality, however, is not a choice.

Homosexuality is certainly a choice

Only an ignorant person would say or believe that. Sexuality is not something you choose. The act of sex? Sure. However, people shouldn't be forced to be celibate if their sexual behavior doesn't harm anyone.

are you gay?

[MannyRam99]

I've read a variety of forums with a variety of topics; this thread is one of maybe 2 I've read in my life that have actually made me disgusted with people. It actually depresses me.

EDIT: People aren't born bigots, it's a choice. Homosexuality, however, is not a choice.

Homosexuality is certainly a choice

Only an ignorant person would say or believe that. Sexuality is not something you choose. The act of sex? Sure. However, people shouldn't be forced to be celibate if their sexual behavior doesn't harm anyone.

The guy that you are arguing with is a little headstrong, but sexual preference is MOST CERTAINLY a choice.

There of course can be cases of influence during childhood or what not, a product of their environment if you will, but at the end of day you are voluntarily choosing your sexual partner and what you find attractive.

[lakerz12]

Not going to read 13 pages of gay marriage debate, but it stuns me how people are still against it. There isn't a rational reason to oppose it. Most arguments are veiled bigotry or a slippery slope argument. It's amazing how certain tenants of organized religion are taken as the whole truth, but certain others are swept under the rug.

Free speech is a pillar of a healthy society, but illogical and irrational thought shouldn't be nurtured and encouraged. It's like creationism being taught in Science class.

I suggest reading more and finding that there are rational reasons to oppose it.

Creationism is actually taught in some science classes (1 example: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... classroom/).

Evolution is being abandoned by many scientists, also. It is taught as fact in public schools, but is subject to debate amongst world renowned scientists. Darwin himself said that if thousands of intermediate fossils were not discovered following his death, his THEORY would fall apart. Those thousands of fossils haven't been found. Look it up.

[Doo Doo_Brown]

If gays are really born that way, then yes, it is a malfunction. Males reproductive systems evolved specifically to procreate with females. This is a scientific fact. If a gay is behaving like a woman, and wants males instead of women, then obviously there was a genetic defect with that person. It's probably linked to the brain and hormones, working incorrectly.

So Michael Phelps has some kind of genetic defect because he loves to swim? He's spent a lifetime doing something our bodies arent meant to do.

What a ridiculous argument to make.

Humans weren't meant to swim? Human beings evolved from the sea as did all life... If we weren't meant to swim, we wouldn't be able to, just as we aren't able to fly without the use of a machine....

Humans were not meant to live permanently under water, no.... but yes we are designed with the ability to swim. Not the best comparison

Then by your logic, homosexuality is perfectly natural since anyone can engage in that without requiring a machine.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Who said anything about Christianity? Would you disagree that homosexual marriage flows against the grain of any and all major culture's traditions? Was homosexuality widely practiced and accepted in Asia traditionally?

In Japan, apprentice Samurai paired up with older warriors to be trained in love and war, and all the shoguns slept with pages called “kosho,” their “nanshoku” loves recorded by writers and shunga painters who immortalized “shudo,” the Way of the Young.

Rome, Macedonia, Persia, Greece, Pompeii all have documented wide spread bisexuality and homosexuality.

[peja drobnjak]

Evolution is being abandoned by many scientists, also. It is taught as fact in public schools, but is subject to debate amongst world renowned scientists. Look it up.

yeah no the debate is mostly about things like is there a valid method by which something like kin selection is applied to living organisms etc. they'll fight about it but in the grand scheme they're little niggles

no biologist, likely nobody prominent working in the physical sciences, doesn't consider the theory of evolution valid. also wtf is this doing in a gay marriage thread

[christian72589]

Who said anything about Christianity? Would you disagree that homosexual marriage flows against the grain of any and all major culture's traditions? Was homosexuality widely practiced and accepted in Asia traditionally?

In Japan, apprentice Samurai paired up with older warriors to be trained in love and war, and all the shoguns slept with pages called “kosho,” their “nanshoku” loves recorded by writers and shunga painters who immortalized “shudo,” the Way of the Young.

Rome, Macedonia, Persia, Greece, Pompeii all have documented wide spread bisexuality and homosexuality.

No show me where they were married and started a family

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Not going to read 13 pages of gay marriage debate, but it stuns me how people are still against it. There isn't a rational reason to oppose it. Most arguments are veiled bigotry or a slippery slope argument. It's amazing how certain tenants of organized religion are taken as the whole truth, but certain others are swept under the rug.

Free speech is a pillar of a healthy society, but illogical and irrational thought shouldn't be nurtured and encouraged. It's like creationism being taught in Science class.

I suggest reading more and finding that there are rational reasons to oppose it.

Creationism is actually taught in some science classes (1 example: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... classroom/).

Evolution is being abandoned by many scientists, also. It is taught as fact in public schools, but is subject to debate amongst world renowned scientists. Look it up.

I really don't understand how people think Creationism is wrong, when every major astro-physicist going back to Albert Einstein will tell you that the universe was created (Big Bang) at a single point in time. Now, the DETAILS of creationism is where everyone has problems. Some people believe 3,000 years, other people believe the universe was created 15 billion years ago by God and then the plan was set into motion on it's own.

but science itself supports creationism. A natural system like the universe cannot create itself. That defies all logic and the basic laws of thermodynamics.

[qm22]

Your views on biology are actually arrogant. Biology is a science and you should stop citing the support of it. You can't take the fact that humans breed with opposite sexes as a credible piece of information to assume exceptions to this scenario are biologically defective. That's uninformed guesswork.

So let me get this straight, are you saying the male reproductive organ isn't biologically evolved specifically to penetrate a female's reproductive organ and procreate?

I'm not going to sit here and educate you on scientific facts about biology, evolution, and the human body. You should do that yourself....

Um... Your point is simply fallacious. Having support for the fact that heterosexuality is biologically programmed does not make homosexuality biologically...anything. They are not shown to be mutually exclusive, so if you demonstrate anything about heterosexuality it does not advance anything when this was never in question.

Still, it is wrong to call it the traditional foundation of human existence. I wonder how humans survived before Judeo-Christian marriage in Asia...which has the bulk of human populations and predates Christianity...

I wonder if Christian marriage impinged on their traditional foundation of human existences.

Again, you need to educate yourself on a subject before you comment on it... before you were criticizing scientific biological facts....

now you are on about marriage.

Marriage did not begin with Christianity. It is VERY old. The union of a man and a woman is much older than that, and it was spread around every corner of the earth, including Asia.

So... Now I'm confused... The general union of man and women is a thing which will be changed if we call gay civil unions "marriage"? I assumed you were talking about Judeo-Christian marriage which is the case for most in the US. If it is not this common argument than I am at a loss to understand your objection.

I think that is hilarious. I want to marry a girl, but is something changing between me and the girl because elsewhere a guy married a guy?

[peja drobnjak]

No show me where they were married and started a family

this now is where i basically agree with you

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Then by your logic, homosexuality is perfectly natural since anyone can engage in that without requiring a machine.

This is not about what is natural and what is not natural. Genetic defects/malfunctions are natural.

It doesn't mean they are good.

[BigMarketFan]

Gay people can always choose to be straight if they want to be married

[christian72589]

So Michael Phelps has some kind of genetic defect because he loves to swim? He's spent a lifetime doing something our bodies arent meant to do.

What a ridiculous argument to make.[/quote]

Humans weren't meant to swim? Human beings evolved from the sea as did all life... If we weren't meant to swim, we wouldn't be able to, just as we aren't able to fly without the use of a machine....

Humans were not meant to live permanently under water, no.... but yes we are designed with the ability to swim. Not the best comparison[/quote]

Then by your logic, homosexuality is perfectly natural since anyone can engage in that without requiring a machine.[/quote]

You would do very poorly on an LSAT.... I mean, what?

I actually don't have anything at all against homosexuals or their human desire to be happy and live with who they wish. There are a few gay people in my family in fact. My little crusade here has been to bring to light the bigotry and irony that so many posters here seem to disregard when it comes to their hatred and intolerance of religion and any difference of opinion.

I think it would be totally acceptable to provide extended legal exceptions to homosexual couples engaged in a civil union for purposes of taxes and family status when it comes to healthcare and whatnot....

The problem is that that's not good enough. It's a game now where we want to see how hard we can stick it to religious institutions and hide behind civil rights while doing so.

[Doo Doo_Brown]

Then by your logic, homosexuality is perfectly natural since anyone can engage in that without requiring a machine.

This is not about what is natural and what is not natural. Genetic defects/malfunctions are natural.

It doesn't mean they are good.

Oh ok, so what about homosexuals isnt "good?"

[jaze89]

The guy that you are arguing with is a little headstrong, but sexual preference is MOST CERTAINLY a choice.

There of course can be cases of influence during childhood or what not, a product of their environment if you will, but at the end of day you are voluntarily choosing your sexual partner and what you find attractive.

So you're saying you (specifically you) can go have sexual intercourse with someone of the same sex? You can look at them and flip an arousal switch?

Did you not remember growing up with children who were very "flamboyant" always hung out with the girls and generally acted like a female? I know I remember growing up with one in and since the 1st grade. If homosexuality isn't something you're born with then it's something that is nurtured through environmental influences in child development, which means you have no control over it. You don't voluntarily find people attractive, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

You DON'T choose sexuality.