Most Victories for 2012-13 Season: Dallas or Brooklyn?

[drejeronfire]

I think Nets fans are drastically overrating their acquisitions this summer.

Let me ask their fans this: how many games - realistically - do you see the Nets winning this season?

You think so?

The Nets look nice on offense, but HORRIBLE on defense. How are they going to stop teams?

Brook/Hump is easily one of the worst defensive combinations in the league. People prop up DWill because of this so called ability to guard multiple positions when he doesn't guard even one. JJ? Nah. Wallace was a very nice defender, but is not an anchor by any means.

You need to play 2 sides of the ball to win in the current NBA, the Nets do not have the pieces to do so

Deron has proven an adequate defender when motivated. Johnson is a good defender, ditto for Wallace. Lopez alters shots around the rim and defends the post well despite the misinformed perception that he does not.

There is serious concern in regards to how the Nets will guard the pick-and-roll though as Lopez is an abysmal pick-and-roll defender and Kris Humphries despite his best efforts isn't much better...

[therealbig3]

I think Nets fans are drastically overrating their acquisitions this summer.

Let me ask their fans this: how many games - realistically - do you see the Nets winning this season?

You think so?

The Nets look nice on offense, but HORRIBLE on defense. How are they going to stop teams?

Brook/Hump is easily one of the worst defensive combinations in the league. People prop up DWill because of this so called ability to guard multiple positions when he doesn't guard even one. JJ? Nah. Wallace was a very nice defender, but is not an anchor by any means.

You need to play 2 sides of the ball to win in the current NBA, the Nets do not have the pieces to do so

In 2011, with Lopez and Humphries playing the whole season, and with Lopez as our "anchor", the Nets were the 21st ranked defense. Yes, not good, but nowhere close to atrocious. Next to Lopez and Humphries this year, JJ/Wallace is a very good defensive wing duo. Deron can play good defense when motivated. Evans isn't a great defender, but he is a great rebounder.

I can see the Nets with a top 10 offense and a top 20 defense this year. Overall, a pretty good team.

[PetroNet]

In 2011, with Lopez and Humphries playing the whole season, and with Lopez as our "anchor", the Nets were the 21st ranked defense. Yes, not good, but nowhere close to atrocious. Next to Lopez and Humphries this year, JJ/Wallace is a very good defensive wing duo. Deron can play good defense when motivated. Evans isn't a great defender, but he is a great rebounder.

I can see the Nets with a top 10 offense and a top 20 defense this year. Overall, a pretty good team.

yup..and you look at teams like the spurs(17th) and thunder(19th) who were among the best records in the NBA because they put up a boatload of points....

but a better example is utah. 23rd in the NBA last season in defense(1 spot better then the nets) yet were able to play .545 ball on the season.

i think its safe to say this nets team will be better then last years squad. and should be able to put up similar offensive output as utah did.

[Texas Chuck]

There is almost a consensus now among Mavs fans that losing out on Deron Williams was not necessarily a bad thing. Until Odom failed to cooperate, Dallas had an opportunity to sign and trade for Deron. When that became impossible, the team around Deron and Dirk would have been extremely sparse. So, actually, Deron turning down the Mavs and signing with the Nets worked well for both teams

No there is no such consensus among Mavs fans. Missing out on Deron was a big miss and represents failure for our offseason. That is the consensus.

What you are seeing is the optimism of what the Mavs were able to string together offering no long term deals---added Kamen/Brand, Mayo,Collison,Dahntay and brought back Delonte. After the start of FA where we didnt get Deron, then didnt even get Nash, then Kidd and JET left it was bleak but once Mavs fans caught their breath they remembered we still have Dirk and so we will still have a decent team.

But make no mistake our saying we will win more games than the Nets is not us happy with our offseason as much as it is believe in our guy until he lets us down. Viva La Dirk!

[Trader_Joe]

You said Dallas.. 50 - 56 wins.
you said Nets .500 ball at best

So you are essentially saying the Mavs could win 16+ more games than the Nets. I will cut that in more than 1/3 and say the Mavs will not win 5 more games than the Nets.

I win, you wear a sig for one month of my choosing and vice versa.

Deal.

So, essentially unless Dallas wins all their remaining games and Brooklyn loses all of theirs, I think I won this bet.

[Trader_Joe]

What did the Nets do aside from change address and add Joe Johnson? The Mavs improved their roster at almost every position.

I can see Dallas winning between 50 and 56 games and Brooklyn playing .500 ball at best.

BTW.. sig bet?

You have Dallas at 50+ wins and Nets at .500 at best.
I would love to make a wager with you.

What say you?
Just something friendly

I will take your Bet ....Dallas will win more games than Brooklyn.

If you get Howard bets off.

Looks like I may have this bet won too.

[Donald Kaufman]

Did I not mention the injury disclaimer? Dirk was out for the start of the season.

Eh, what am I saying? You won fair and square, Trader Joe. To the winner go the spoils.

[Trader_Joe]

Brook's last two games in Dallas:

76 points
32-50 FG
12-15 FT

[moocow007]

Brook's last two games in Dallas:

76 points
32-50 FG
12-15 FT

Dallas really has no sizeable physical interior defender that can bother Lopez. Elton Brand is just too short and too old at this point to deter Lopez (there was a shot that Lopez took yesterday near that basket that Brand went up for a black and his hand only reached Lopez's elbow) and neither Nowitzki nor Kaman are the type to actually play him hard. Lopez can do pretty much whatever he wants against that front court...and he's proving it.

[Trader_Joe]

Brook's last two games in Dallas:

76 points
32-50 FG
12-15 FT

Dallas really has no sizeable physical interior defender that can bother Lopez. Elton Brand is just too short and too old at this point to deter Lopez (there was a shot that Lopez took yesterday near that basket that Brand looked like he was attempting to challenge where he only got his hand to Lopez's elbow level) and neither Nowitzki nor Kaman are the type to actually play him hard. Lopez can do pretty much whatever he wants against that front court...and he's proving it.

He did it last season to Haywood and Mahinmi as well with 38 points.

[moocow007]

Brook's last two games in Dallas:

76 points
32-50 FG
12-15 FT

Dallas really has no sizeable physical interior defender that can bother Lopez. Elton Brand is just too short and too old at this point to deter Lopez (there was a shot that Lopez took yesterday near that basket that Brand looked like he was attempting to challenge where he only got his hand to Lopez's elbow level) and neither Nowitzki nor Kaman are the type to actually play him hard. Lopez can do pretty much whatever he wants against that front court...and he's proving it.

He did it last season to Haywood and Mahinmi as well with 38 points.

Haywood I'm surprised since Haywood actually does play physical. Mahinmi really is more of a PF. Just from watching games, Lopez seems to have a harder time when the opposing player plays him physical. Still he's a great scorer in the paint area no doubt just saying that against guys like what Dallas has had to trot out it just feeds right into Lopez's dominance.

[PetroNet]

What did the Nets do aside from change address and add Joe Johnson? The Mavs improved their roster at almost every position.

I can see Dallas winning between 50 and 56 games and Brooklyn playing .500 ball at best.

love how there was so much of this "all they did was add joe johnson" stuff in the offseason. ignoring that lopez missed the entire year and gerald wallace played just 16 games for us.

[Donald Kaufman]

You're calling me out from a post I made in August. You're better than Dallas, but then so are a lot of teams.

Hmm. No point getting too cocky. The Nets are still a very mediocre team. Wallace has been awful, Marshon was a fluke from last year, D-Will is not an elite player, Kris Kardashian is not even in the rotation. Plus JJ has been awful as I predicted.

You'll be bounced in the first or second round.

If that's worth puffing your chest out over, be my guest.

[DarkXaero]

You're calling me out from a post I made in August. You're better than Dallas, but then so are a lot of teams.

Hmm. No point getting too cocky. The Nets are still a very mediocre team. Wallace has been awful, Marshon was a fluke from last year, D-Will is not an elite player, Kris Kardashian is not even in the rotation. Plus JJ jas been awful as I predicted.

You'll be bounced in the first or second round.

If that's worth puffing your chest out over, be my guest.

Bad damage control breh, this makes you look even worse.

[Trader_Joe]

You're calling me out from a post I made in August. You're better than Dallas, but then so are a lot of teams.

Hmm. No point getting too cocky. The Nets are still a very mediocre team. Wallace has been awful, Marshon was a fluke from last year, D-Will is not an elite player, Kris Kardashian is not even in the rotation. Plus JJ jas been awful as I predicted.

You'll be bounced in the first or second round.

If that's worth puffing your chest out over, be my guest.

I don't think he's cocky rather pointing out your ignorance about the Nets roster and Dallas's as well.

Despite how awful Wallace has been, a fluke MarShon was, non-elite D.Will is, absent Hump is and awful JJ has been (despite him being clutch as hell.. 9 for 10 with the game on the line), we're still in the race for the Atlantic and potentially even the #2 seed in the East (waits for the East is weak comment).

As for Dallas...
They've had Dirk since December (40 games) and are a .500 team with him and slightly below .500 without him. I don't see how they could have won 50-56 games like you predicted even if they had Dirk all season and they did not improve at almost every position as you claimed.

And the only reason I'm calling you out is because you agreed to bet.

[Donald Kaufman]

Bad damage control breh, this makes you look even worse.

Yeah? To DarkXaero, whoever the f*** you are, I'll take it. No biggie.

[Donald Kaufman]

I don't think he's cocky rather pointing out your ignorance about the Nets roster and Dallas's as well.

Despite how awful Wallace has been, a fluke MarShon was, non-elite D.Will is, absent Hump is and awful JJ has been (despite him being clutch as hell.. 9 for 10 with the game on the line), we're still in the race for the Atlantic and potentially even the #2 seed in the East (waits for the East is weak comment).

As for Dallas...
They've had Dirk since December (40 games) and are a .500 team with him and slightly below .500 without him. I don't see how they could have won 50-56 games like you predicted even if they had Dirk all season and they did not improve at almost every position as you claimed.

And the only reason I'm calling you out is because you agreed to bet.

Blah blah blah. You won. Name your stakes rather than crowing over your mediocre team.

[Texas Chuck]

Brook's last two games in Dallas:

76 points
32-50 FG
12-15 FT

He's a monster against us. Dominates us both with size/strength as well as with skill and savvy. We had no answers for him or Deron and Blatche just destroyed Dirk in the first half too. I couldnt even tell Joe Johnson was in the game and if Crash wasnt physically mauling Mayo on the break I wouldnt have noticed him either. But it just didnt matter. Lopez and Deron were that good.

I have to eat some crow with Joe too. Luckily he's big enough not to rub our faces in it too much, I hope.

[DarkXaero]

I don't think he's cocky rather pointing out your ignorance about the Nets roster and Dallas's as well.

Despite how awful Wallace has been, a fluke MarShon was, non-elite D.Will is, absent Hump is and awful JJ has been (despite him being clutch as hell.. 9 for 10 with the game on the line), we're still in the race for the Atlantic and potentially even the #2 seed in the East (waits for the East is weak comment).

As for Dallas...
They've had Dirk since December (40 games) and are a .500 team with him and slightly below .500 without him. I don't see how they could have won 50-56 games like you predicted even if they had Dirk all season and they did not improve at almost every position as you claimed.

And the only reason I'm calling you out is because you agreed to bet.

Blah blah blah. You won. Name your stakes rather than crowing over your mediocre team.

Bad damage control breh, this makes you look even worse.

Yeah? To DarkXaero, whoever the f*** you are, I'll take it. No biggie.

Calm down, bro

[Trader_Joe]

Brook's last two games in Dallas:

76 points
32-50 FG
12-15 FT

He's a monster against us. Dominates us both with size/strength as well as with skill and savvy. We had no answers for him or Deron and Blatche just destroyed Dirk in the first half too. I couldnt even tell Joe Johnson was in the game and if Crash wasnt physically mauling Mayo on the break I wouldnt have noticed him either. But it just didnt matter. Lopez and Deron were that good.

I have to eat some crow with Joe too. Luckily he's big enough not to rub our faces in it too much, I hope.

No... you didn't make a bet so you're safe.


Donald, on the other hand, is being a poor sport, so I'll think of something good for him.