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Re: Melo is a great passer 

Post#21 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:33 am

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johnnywishbone wrote:Yeah, he is a regular John Stockton.

http://www.usabasketball.com/misc/12_moly_stats_usa.pdf

63 FGA and 4 assists. But then again, he is not really playing with talented players.


His role for the team is to come in and score...

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... l-forwards

He was 5th in APG for SF during the regular season.


Considering the balls is always in his hands that's not a good statistic.


He's also not asked to be a playmaker like the other guys are. #1-4 all run the offenses for their team (Pierce plays point-forward when Rondo is on the bench). 3.6 APG from a small forward is good.


Also, I'm sure the # would have been higher if he wasn't asked to shoulder the entire offense after Lin went down.
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Re: Melo is a great passer 

Post#22 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:34 am

johnnywishbone wrote:Yeah, he is a regular John Stockton.

http://www.usabasketball.com/misc/12_moly_stats_usa.pdf

63 FGA and 4 assists. But then again, he is not really playing with talented players.


Didn't know Melo was the primary playmaker for the USA team. Here I thought he was asked to just score. 17.3 points on 57.1% shooting, phuck that :roll:
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Re: Melo is a great passer 

Post#23 » by johnnywishbone » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:37 am

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He's also not asked to be a playmaker like the other guys are. #1-4 all run the offenses for their team (Pierce plays point-forward when Rondo is on the bench). 3.6 APG from a small forward is good.


Also, I'm sure the # would have been higher if he wasn't asked to shoulder the entire offense after Lin went down.


It's good for a small forward. Not good enough if he wants to win a championship.
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Re: Melo is a great passer 

Post#24 » by johnnywishbone » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:39 am

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johnnywishbone wrote:Yeah, he is a regular John Stockton.

http://www.usabasketball.com/misc/12_moly_stats_usa.pdf

63 FGA and 4 assists. But then again, he is not really playing with talented players.


Didn't know Melo was the primary playmaker for the USA team. Here I thought he was asked to just score. 17.3 points on 57.1% shooting, phuck that :roll:


So what your saying is that he is one dimensional. All kidding aside, there is a big gap between being a "primary playmaker" and 16 FGA per assist.
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Re: Melo is a great passer 

Post#25 » by JBreezeNY » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:41 am

Great passer for his position but not a great passer in general. He's a good passer though, did pretty well in High School at the PG position.
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He's also not asked to be a playmaker like the other guys are. #1-4 all run the offenses for their team (Pierce plays point-forward when Rondo is on the bench). 3.6 APG from a small forward is good.


Also, I'm sure the # would have been higher if he wasn't asked to shoulder the entire offense after Lin went down.


It's good for a small forward. Not good enough if he wants to win a championship.


?

His role is to score. If we have a competent point guard, then 3 APG is perfectly fine.

Also, look at the last 10 years. How many championship teams have small forwards who average more than 3.6 APG? 2 - LeBron and Paul Pierce.


Jesus Christ, y'all expect Melo to be LeBron...he's not. He's Carmelo Anthony. Let him do what he does best. Stop finding poor excuses to hate him. It's like nothing he does can make you guys happy.
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Re: Melo is a great passer 

Post#27 » by JBreezeNY » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:43 am

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He's also not asked to be a playmaker like the other guys are. #1-4 all run the offenses for their team (Pierce plays point-forward when Rondo is on the bench). 3.6 APG from a small forward is good.


Also, I'm sure the # would have been higher if he wasn't asked to shoulder the entire offense after Lin went down.


It's good for a small forward. Not good enough if he wants to win a championship.


?

His role is to score. If we have a competent point guard, then 3 APG is perfectly fine.

Also, look at the last 10 years. How many championship teams have small forwards who average more than 3.6 APG? 2 - LeBron and Paul Pierce.


Jesus Christ, y'all expect Melo to be LeBron...he's not. He's Carmelo Anthony. Let him do what he does best. Stop finding poor excuses to hate him.

Paco..........you know you're not gonna win this :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#28 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:44 am

JBreezeNY wrote:
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johnnywishbone wrote:It's good for a small forward. Not good enough if he wants to win a championship.


?

His role is to score. If we have a competent point guard, then 3 APG is perfectly fine.

Also, look at the last 10 years. How many championship teams have small forwards who average more than 3.6 APG? 2 - LeBron and Paul Pierce.


Jesus Christ, y'all expect Melo to be LeBron...he's not. He's Carmelo Anthony. Let him do what he does best. Stop finding poor excuses to hate him.

Paco..........you know you're not gonna win this :lol: :lol: :lol:


Then I will go down swinging!

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Re: Melo is a great passer 

Post#29 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:46 am

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johnnywishbone wrote:Yeah, he is a regular John Stockton.

http://www.usabasketball.com/misc/12_moly_stats_usa.pdf

63 FGA and 4 assists. But then again, he is not really playing with talented players.


Didn't know Melo was the primary playmaker for the USA team. Here I thought he was asked to just score. 17.3 points on 57.1% shooting, phuck that :roll:


So what your saying is that he is one dimensional. All kidding aside, there is a big gap between being a "primary playmaker" and 16 FGA per assist.


He's playing on a team with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and LeBron, why would you expect Melo to be setting players up to score when he's playing with them?
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Post#30 » by johnnywishbone » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:49 am

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He's also not asked to be a playmaker like the other guys are. #1-4 all run the offenses for their team (Pierce plays point-forward when Rondo is on the bench). 3.6 APG from a small forward is good.


Also, I'm sure the # would have been higher if he wasn't asked to shoulder the entire offense after Lin went down.


It's good for a small forward. Not good enough if he wants to win a championship.


?

His role is to score. If we have a competent point guard, then 3 APG is perfectly fine.

Also, look at the last 10 years. How many championship teams have small forwards who average more than 3.6 APG? 2 - LeBron and Paul Pierce.


Jesus Christ, y'all expect Melo to be LeBron...he's not. He's Carmelo Anthony. Let him do what he does best. Stop finding poor excuses to hate him.


How many of those championship team's best player was a small forward?

It's not a poor excuse. And I find it hilarious that the guy is blaming Linsanity for his selfish moniker while he is playing in a tournament where he shot 63 FGA while making 4 assists.
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Re: Melo is a great passer 

Post#31 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:49 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:
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He's also not asked to be a playmaker like the other guys are. #1-4 all run the offenses for their team (Pierce plays point-forward when Rondo is on the bench). 3.6 APG from a small forward is good.


Also, I'm sure the # would have been higher if he wasn't asked to shoulder the entire offense after Lin went down.


It's good for a small forward. Not good enough if he wants to win a championship.


?

His role is to score. If we have a competent point guard, then 3 APG is perfectly fine.

Also, look at the last 10 years. How many championship teams have small forwards who average more than 3.6 APG? 2 - LeBron and Paul Pierce.


Jesus Christ, y'all expect Melo to be LeBron...he's not. He's Carmelo Anthony. Let him do what he does best. Stop finding poor excuses to hate him. It's like nothing he does can make you guys happy.


Nah, they'd prefer Gallo and his career high 2.7 apg :lol:
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Post#32 » by CoolKids » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:51 am

GONYK wrote:He's a good and willing passer when there is player movement around him. He's not going to direct the offense or make dynamic reads.

this is the perfect observation
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Post#33 » by johnnywishbone » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:51 am

bronxknicksfan1 wrote:He's playing on a team with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and LeBron, why would you expect Melo to be setting players up to score when he's playing with them?


Look everybody has been comparing Durant to Melo lately. This is a great opportunity to compare them. In the same tourney Durant has 20 assists to roughly the same number of FGA.

I think it's pretty clear that somebody doesn't like coming off the bench and is trying to prove it by scoring a lot.
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Post#34 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:53 am

Someone would find something to complain about in an Olympics where Melo has been looking like one of the top 3 players on that team :lol:
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Post#35 » by CoolKids » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:55 am

johnnywishbone wrote:
bronxknicksfan1 wrote:He's playing on a team with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and LeBron, why would you expect Melo to be setting players up to score when he's playing with them?


Look everybody has been comparing Durant to Melo lately. This is a great opportunity to compare them. In the same tourney Durant has 20 assists to roughly the same number of FGA.

I think it's pretty clear that somebody doesn't like coming off the bench and is trying to prove it by scoring a lot.

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Post#36 » by johnnywishbone » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:55 am

bronxknicksfan1 wrote:Someone would find something to complain about in an Olympics where Melo has been looking like one of the top 3 players on that team :lol:


If you have to put the smiley face that means it wasn't funny on it's own merit.
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Post#37 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:55 am

johnnywishbone wrote:
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It's good for a small forward. Not good enough if he wants to win a championship.


?

His role is to score. If we have a competent point guard, then 3 APG is perfectly fine.

Also, look at the last 10 years. How many championship teams have small forwards who average more than 3.6 APG? 2 - LeBron and Paul Pierce.


Jesus Christ, y'all expect Melo to be LeBron...he's not. He's Carmelo Anthony. Let him do what he does best. Stop finding poor excuses to hate him.


How many of those championship team's best player was a small forward?

It's not a poor excuse. And I find it hilarious that the guy is blaming Linsanity for his selfish moniker while he is playing in a tournament where he shot 63 FGA while making 4 assists.


If there is a team that resembles ours, it is the Mavericks. Melo, in this case, would be Dirk -- offense runs through him, but there are players around him who fill their roles well.

It's not the small forward's role to be the primary playmaker for the team. Unless the player is simply a transcendent talent, like LeBron, expecting him to do that is simply unreasonable. I don't get why you want him to pass more when we've already seen that him playing point-forward hurts him, and the team, as a direct result (last year w/D'Antoni when he was in that role).

It is a poor excuse because you are expecting him/wanting him to play a role he is not fit to play.

FWIW, I already acknowledged that his quote that you are referring to was stupid/simply wrong.

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johnnywishbone wrote:
bronxknicksfan1 wrote:He's playing on a team with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and LeBron, why would you expect Melo to be setting players up to score when he's playing with them?


Look everybody has been comparing Durant to Melo lately. This is a great opportunity to compare them. In the same tourney Durant has 20 assists to roughly the same number of FGA.

I think it's pretty clear that somebody doesn't like coming off the bench and is trying to prove it by scoring a lot.


Yup. That's definitely it. :roll:
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Post#39 » by Pharmcat » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:57 am

johnnywishbone wrote:
bronxknicksfan1 wrote:He's playing on a team with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and LeBron, why would you expect Melo to be setting players up to score when he's playing with them?


Look everybody has been comparing Durant to Melo lately. This is a great opportunity to compare them. In the same tourney Durant has 20 assists to roughly the same number of FGA.

I think it's pretty clear that somebody doesn't like coming off the bench and is trying to prove it by scoring a lot.


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Post#40 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:58 am

johnnywishbone wrote:
bronxknicksfan1 wrote:He's playing on a team with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and LeBron, why would you expect Melo to be setting players up to score when he's playing with them?


Look everybody has been comparing Durant to Melo lately. This is a great opportunity to compare them. In the same tourney Durant has 20 assists to roughly the same number of FGA.

I think it's pretty clear that somebody doesn't like coming off the bench and is trying to prove it by scoring a lot.


:lol:

Seriously, when has there been a lack of ball movement in the Olympics coming from Melo? No one has complained about a lack of ball movement, he hasn't been isoing like he had to do here, he's been finishing plays more often that not and has kept the ball moving. Isn't that what you've been complaining about with him? Now because he doesn't have the assist numbers, all of a sudden he's been trying to prove something by scoring?

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