Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

[MoMM]

So we have the 15th, 16th, and 22nd picks between Harkless/Vucevic/Nicholson.

Anyone see Vucevic's euroleague stats? 16.9/9.7/1/1. Not bad.

Sorry, but that's not Euroleague, it's Adriatic league. The level is much lower than Spanish, Turkish or Euroleague.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liga_ABA

[ChildishGambino]

So we have the 15th, 16th, and 22nd picks between Harkless/Vucevic/Nicholson.

Anyone see Vucevic's euroleague stats? 16.9/9.7/1/1. Not bad.

17 and 10 playing against grown men? not bad at all if it's any consolation....i'm content with him...but we have way too many forwards right now.....obviously some of these guys will be moved.....

[BadMofoPimp]

This is one of those days when you cancel plans with your girlfriend and buy a 12-pack + weed instead.

Man, I feel pretty beat up after my basketball game last night and didn't feel like working today. Then, I forgot my insulin (diabetic). Now, I have to work with no energy, not feeling well and reading about how badly the Magic got hosed. Right now, Magic are the worst organization, management wise, in the entire NBA.

[SEBAS-07]

We got screwed without lubrication.We supposedly traded bad contracts but still have Hedo, we traded for scrubs like Al Harrignton, Aaron Afflalo and McRoberts.

Edit We didnt even get Ebanks and Morris.If this is what equal value means I don`t want to know what bad value means in Hennigan`s mind.

[TDJacksonville]

Has anyone posted the '14 free-agent list

Also does anyone see afflalo breaking out somewhat like tmac did with us? He can score and but can defend also

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents

been posted a few times

[magicman123]

Has anyone posted the '14 free-agent list

Also does anyone see afflalo breaking out somewhat like tmac did with us? He can score and but can defend also

no, hes not an iso type player, defender/shooter

[dariusl7]

Sad day. Negative emotions.
Yet looking forward with excitement to see what our young GM's vision will produce over next 3-4 years.

"Dreams take time, patience, sustained effort, a willingness to fail, if they are ever to be anything more than dreams" - Bryan Linkoski

"Aim not for what you are, but for what you could be" - Lucas Hellmer

[rcklsscognition]

So we have the 15th, 16th, and 22nd picks between Harkless/Vucevic/Nicholson.

Anyone see Vucevic's euroleague stats? 16.9/9.7/1/1. Not bad.

Sorry, but that's not Euroleague, it's Adriatic league. The level is much lower than Spanish, Turkish or Euroleague.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liga_ABA

He put up same points and a little less rebounds in Eurocup.

Vucevic emerged as one of the most productive players in both the Adriatic League and the Eurocup during his 14 game European tour, which is quite an impressive feat considering his age and lack of experience. Ranking 3rd in PER in both the Adriatic League and Eurocup, Vucevic showed the same advanced inside-outside game that made him such a dominant force in the Pac-10 last year.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz23AYou8ow
http://www.draftexpress.com

[BelgianMagic]

We got screwed without lubrication.We supposedly traded bad contracts but still have Hedo, we traded for scrubs like Al Harrignton, Aaron Afflalo and McRoberts.

Arron Afflalo a scrub?

I don't think many people who've seen him play agree with you on this one

[ChildishGambino]

can't wait until the conference.....hope that we'll get some real answers instead of the probable sugar coated stuff....systematic approach....dilligent....yada yada.....i need something more definitive....

[TDJacksonville]

So we have the 15th, 16th, and 22nd picks between Harkless/Vucevic/Nicholson.

Anyone see Vucevic's euroleague stats? 16.9/9.7/1/1. Not bad.

17 and 10 playing against grown men? not bad at all if it's any consolation....i'm content with him...but we have way too many forwards right now.....obviously some of these guys will be moved.....

Vuc can play Center.

Future lineup

PG:?
SG: Affalo
SF: Harkless
PF: Nicholson
C: Vucevic

[jadewbj]

The Magic hope to remain competitive and in the playoff race next season with a team that still has the veteran core of Jameer Nelson, Glen ``Big Baby’’ Davis, Hedo Turkoglu and J.J. Redick. The Magic will be adding in Afflalo, an elite defender who averaged a career-best 15.2 points per game last season. Harrington, a 14-year NBA veteran, should also give the Magic plenty of scoring punch after averaging 14.2 points per game last season for the Nuggets. And the Magic will also be working to develop rookies Andrew Nicholson, Kyle O’Quinn and Harkless in the process.

Seriously, playoffs?

This makes no sense to me, we are not bad enough to get a good pick and still have HEDO and took on other non-expiring contracts. If the plan was to have 30 Mil in capspace for 2014 why not tank like **** while doing it?

[ChildishGambino]

So we have the 15th, 16th, and 22nd picks between Harkless/Vucevic/Nicholson.

Anyone see Vucevic's euroleague stats? 16.9/9.7/1/1. Not bad.

17 and 10 playing against grown men? not bad at all if it's any consolation....i'm content with him...but we have way too many forwards right now.....obviously some of these guys will be moved.....

Vuc can play Center.

Future lineup

PG:?
SG: Affalo
SF: Harkless
PF: Nicholson
C: Vucevic

imo Vuc can only play Center at his size 7" 260

[Magic#1]

We got screwed without lubrication.We supposedly traded bad contracts but still have Hedo, we traded for scrubs like Al Harrignton, Aaron Afflalo and McRoberts.

Don't throw Afflalo in there. He's a darn good pickup. One of the better defenders It's just pathetic that he's the centerpiece in the trade.

[BadMofoPimp]

You have to think about this as a horrible and devastating business decision. Magic lost Shaq to Lakers. Lost many fans. Then, Magic gift wrap Dwight to Lakers for garbage. Yes, this is garbage in comparison to what Hornets/Nuggets got for Paul/Melo.

How does Devos and the Magic organization even sleep at night? Are they complete idiots?!?!?!

I am glad I am a Heat fan also. Because, at least that is a class organization all their players are loyal.

[rcklsscognition]

The Magic hope to remain competitive and in the playoff race next season with a team that still has the veteran core of Jameer Nelson, Glen ``Big Baby’’ Davis, Hedo Turkoglu and J.J. Redick. The Magic will be adding in Afflalo, an elite defender who averaged a career-best 15.2 points per game last season. Harrington, a 14-year NBA veteran, should also give the Magic plenty of scoring punch after averaging 14.2 points per game last season for the Nuggets. And the Magic will also be working to develop rookies Andrew Nicholson, Kyle O’Quinn and Harkless in the process.

Seriously, playoffs?

This makes no sense to me, we are not bad enough to get a good pick and still have HEDO and took on other non-expiring contracts. If the plan was to have 30 Mil in capspace for 2014 why not tank like **** while doing it?

lol, I need to be hearing a lot of this next season:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE[/youtube]

[MoMM]

So we have the 15th, 16th, and 22nd picks between Harkless/Vucevic/Nicholson.

Anyone see Vucevic's euroleague stats? 16.9/9.7/1/1. Not bad.

Sorry, but that's not Euroleague, it's Adriatic league. The level is much lower than Spanish, Turkish or Euroleague.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liga_ABA

He put up same points and a little less rebounds in Eurocup.

Only 4 games.

Nikola Vucevic was unable to lead KK Buducnost Voli into the next round of Eurocup, but he was still named Week 4 MVP.

Vucevic scored 22 points with 7-for-8 shooting on two-point shots and 8-for-8 free throws, pulled 10 rebounds, dished two assists and drew five fouls.

http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eurocu ... ode=003463

And 3 of them agaisnt weak competition (Belgium and Poland teams).

But well, i wont judge him, i also think he can be a good player, but let's not overhype him.

[Magic#1]

The Magic hope to remain competitive and in the playoff race next season with a team that still has the veteran core of Jameer Nelson, Glen ``Big Baby’’ Davis, Hedo Turkoglu and J.J. Redick. The Magic will be adding in Afflalo, an elite defender who averaged a career-best 15.2 points per game last season. Harrington, a 14-year NBA veteran, should also give the Magic plenty of scoring punch after averaging 14.2 points per game last season for the Nuggets. And the Magic will also be working to develop rookies Andrew Nicholson, Kyle O’Quinn and Harkless in the process.

Seriously, playoffs?

This makes no sense to me, we are not bad enough to get a good pick and still have HEDO and took on other non-expiring contracts. If the plan was to have 30 Mil in capspace for 2014 why not tank like **** while doing it?

That's what they have to say. Of course we're going to go out there and try but the expectation is that this team will be horrible and get a high draft pick.

[magic912]

For those who are saying the Magic got killed in this trade, think outside the box. The Magic needed to rehabilitate their image for the future. No matter how much immediate cap room they would have had, no one was coming to play here after this fiasco. Orlando is now seen as a cancer by many players as well as media members for some odd reason. The only way they can rehab their image was by doing this trade. They will have their own lottery pick in 2013 and 2014, and Philly's protected pick in 2014 or 2015. They will also have Harkless, Nicholson, Aflallo and 30 million plus in cap room- enough for two max deals. Those lottery picks will hopefully yield some excellent players (obviously there is a risk involved). The trade enables the Magic to spend two years making Orlando a desirable place to play again, (new arena, no state income tax, great schooling, Disney, and great weather) while also keeping them financially flexible. ANY other deal, including the Rockets and Nets would have prevented this. The Nets deal was useless because the Magic want long-term flexibility and investing in a max deal for Lopez is committing to mediocrity; the Magic were not winning a championship with him as center. The picks? Assuming they would be great, the picks would be anywhere from 25-30- not a recipe for success. As far as the Rockets deal goes, I do not believe for a second that the deal that is being reported is the one that was offered. They were not willing to take back every contract the Magic had. Most likely, they were taking Duhon and J-Rich. The only difference is that the Magic would have had Toronto's protected pick. Harkless was loved by the Magic scouting and worked out with OKC when Hennigan was running their draft in April, May, and June.. I think this deal was bound to not yield a fair return for a superstar center. Because of that, I am satisfied with this deal. Within 2-3 years, Magic will be competitive once again. For those who are judging this deal when the assets don't even mature till about 2017, you don't know basketball. Think NO is a better place to play today because Anthony Davis is there? I think so. Last year, it was the cancer of the NBA. Just sad that RDV might not be around to see this success..As for Dwight Howard, hope he is satisfied with being 4th offensive option on team...Then again, he can always just go into marketing.

[jernigan]

I'm ready for Heart and Hustle 2.0

I'm also excited to see Harkless play for us, along with Nicholson, O'Quinn, Harper, and Liggins.

Vucevic looks solid, as does Ayon... it's going to be rough... but we're just going to have to tank, and rebuild for a couple years... OKC model.

It wouldn't hurt if Harkless turned into a very good player though. ... and hopefully Afflalo can net us 14-16ppg like he did last season for Denver.

Oh and at least J-Rich and Duhon are gone. I hope Ish Smith returns. And I hope Glen Davis plays hard again next season like he did near the end of last season and the playoffs.

New chapter, let's go.

This right here.. LET'S GET IT!!