Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

arsenal6106 · Post #861 » by **arsenal6106** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:49 pm

magicman123 wrote:Cheer up guys..............."Magic Gonna Prove Y'all Wrong"

rcklsscognition · Post #862 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:49 pm

ChildishGambino wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Which team would trade decent picks for some cap relief, possibly a year or two of cap relief? That's what we'll be after with our TPE. Take back a guy and picks and eat a bad contract.

well you never know what situations teams will be in in the future.....you also might have to factor in what the CBA introduces in year 2 if anything and how it will effect teams.....

Well the tax gets a lot harsher for tax teams. Maybe you get a mediocre team that performs badly because on big contract is holding them back and we convince them to give us their pick to take that contract. I don't know. We definitely don't need a 22 million dollar TPE though, it's overkill.

arsenal6106 · Post #863 » by **arsenal6106** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:50 pm

So what's the next move for the Magic?

Back up pg?

InFlames · Post #864 » by **InFlames** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:50 pm

Bensational wrote:
InFlames wrote:
Idunkonyou2 wrote:Worst trade ever. We watch 3 allstars pass in the night while we get scrubs and soon to be crappy draft picks. I already want our GM fired.

Dwight is the one who **** us, not Rob. How can you guys not understand this? We had no leverage, and the teams Dwight had on his list had no assets. What did you think would happen?

Dwight didn't screw us over. He was contractually obliged to play another season here and he would have. his intent not to stick around that doesn't screw us, because that's his prerogative. the reasons why he didn't want to stick around is what screwed us. blame Otis. blame Fegan. i don't think Hennigan or Howard screwed us on this. we screwed ourselves.

Howard gave this team its best success in over a decade and people are just throwing that away because our management was shortsighted and inept. people should be angry at the right people - the people who were in charge. they're put in place for a reason, and they failed so tragically.

Yes, he did screw us. Otis did too.

thelead · Post #865 » by **thelead** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:51 pm

Btw, who did we get that large tpe from... It doesn't make sense. Maybe it was a few seperate tpe's that the reported just combined...

OrlandoMajinBuu · Post #866 » by **OrlandoMajinBuu** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:52 pm

arsenal6106 wrote:So what's the next move for the Magic?

Back up pg?

Signing Greg Oden?

BadMofoPimp · Post #867 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:52 pm

InFlames wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I am sorry. I cannot see a single reason how this trade helps the Magic in any way or form better than letting Dwight walk next year.

Because getting Harkless, Vucevic and draft picks is better for the franchise than Dwight walking for nothing, no matter how you try to spin it.

The Magic are about to lose more fans and more money than this trade can ever conceivably help the Magic. They just killed any respect from all Magic fans.

As if Harkless, Vucevic and Draft Picks can be any better than what the Magic could have done next summer with $30 million in Cap space in 2013. Are people crazy?!?!

SubyWill · Post #868 » by **SubyWill** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:53 pm

ChosenSavior wrote:I'm ready for it, no use complaining anymore as it's not going to change what's happened today. Time to rebuild this team properly...

thelead · Post #869 » by **thelead** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:53 pm

arsenal6106 wrote:So what's the next move for the Magic?

Back up pg?

Getting to know these names: Muhammad, Noel, Parker, Wiggins

rcklsscognition · Post #870 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:54 pm

We are at 15 contracts, all guaranteed, so anything that comes in needs to be met with a cut or a trade. Henny said PG is an issue they will deal with "pronto". We're realistically 2 guards short of a real lineup, maybe 3 if we need a 3rd SG.

ChildishGambino · Post #871 » by **ChildishGambino** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:54 pm

Bensational wrote:
InFlames wrote:
Idunkonyou2 wrote:Worst trade ever. We watch 3 allstars pass in the night while we get scrubs and soon to be crappy draft picks. I already want our GM fired.

Dwight is the one who **** us, not Rob. How can you guys not understand this? We had no leverage, and the teams Dwight had on his list had no assets. What did you think would happen?

Dwight didn't screw us over. He was contractually obliged to play another season here and he would have. his intent not to stick around that doesn't screw us, because that's his prerogative. the reasons why he didn't want to stick around is what screwed us. blame Otis. blame Fegan. i don't think Hennigan or Howard screwed us on this. we screwed ourselves.

Howard gave this team its best success in over a decade and people are just throwing that away because our management was shortsighted and inept. people should be angry at the right people - the people who were in charge. they're put in place for a reason, and they failed so tragically.

I agree with this....I think the Ownership is not very good when it comes to basketball decisions....giving Otis all that power was a mistake.....Got too cocky and didn't really have a good rapport with Dwight.....It's kind of funny but the one mistake of many that sticks in my mind of the many blunders of Otis was not signing Vince Carter when he wanted to come here when he was still in his prime....calling him "Fool's Gold" only to sign him at 32 when he's old and busted.....Say what you want about Hennigan but i'm glad Otis is gone......

BadMofoPimp · Post #872 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:55 pm

Well, you can say goodbye to BBD and JJ.

Lets make this Franchise's Self Destruction complete.

MasterGMer · Post #873 » by **MasterGMer** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:55 pm

How much Cap Space do we have 2013 summer btw?

Blue_and_Whte · Post #874 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:55 pm

ChosenSavior wrote:I'm ready for it, no use complaining anymore as it's not going to change what's happened today. Time to rebuild this team properly...

Perfect.

InFlames · Post #875 » by **InFlames** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:56 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
InFlames wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I am sorry. I cannot see a single reason how this trade helps the Magic in any way or form better than letting Dwight walk next year.

Because getting Harkless, Vucevic and draft picks is better for the franchise than Dwight walking for nothing, no matter how you try to spin it.

The Magic are about to lose more fans and more money than this trade can ever conceivably help the Magic. They just killed any respect from all Magic fans.

As if Harkless, Vucevic and Draft Picks can be any better than what the Magic could have done next summer with $30 million in Cap space. Are people crazy?!?!

What? Harkless, Vucevic and picks + 30 million is better that just 30 million, how can you even make a statement like this?

The Magic obviously don't care about losing bandwagon fans and a little bit of money, and thank god for that because letting him walk would have been a disaster.

AussieMagicFan · Post #876 » by **AussieMagicFan** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:56 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
InFlames wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I am sorry. I cannot see a single reason how this trade helps the Magic in any way or form better than letting Dwight walk next year.

Because getting Harkless, Vucevic and draft picks is better for the franchise than Dwight walking for nothing, no matter how you try to spin it.

The Magic are about to lose more fans and more money than this trade can ever conceivably help the Magic. They just killed any respect from all Magic fans.

As if Harkless, Vucevic and Draft Picks can be any better than what the Magic could have done next summer with $30 million in Cap space in 2013. Are people crazy?!?!

Please do not speak on my behalf. You are the worst type of fan, be gone and good riddance man.

I like what they are doing and building here, if your not well that's ok, but to say it over and over and over and over again is tiresome and boring. If you want out and have lost respect, cool bro, walk away.

You don't speak for every Magic fan. I am staying and I am excited.

thelead · Post #877 » by **thelead** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:57 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Well, you can say goodbye to BBD and JJ.

Lets make this Franchise's Self Destruction complete.

I think BBD is here for the long haul, but JJ is definetly getting traded for a pg.

OrlandO · Post #878 » by **OrlandO** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:57 pm

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm excited about Afflalo...

- We have him locked in for his prime years and at a reasonable contract imo.
- We finally have a decent defender at the SG position.
- He's a good 3pt shooter and shoots a high overall % for a guard.
- While some may think he's reached his peak, I think he still has room to grow offensively since he's only been a starter for the past three seasons. Over the final 3 months of last season, he averaged 18 points on 49.5% from the field and 42% from three, 3.5 rebounds and 2.8 assists. He may not be an allstar, but he could be a solid piece of the puzzle in the future.

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ChildishGambino · Post #879 » by **ChildishGambino** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:58 pm

Yeah i agree with InFlames personally....Letting Dwight walk for nothing is worse than this imo.....

rcklsscognition · Post #880 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:58 pm

Keep Howard= Magic 25th pick in 2013 draft and $30 million in cap space next season.

This Trade= Magic top 10 pick in 2013 draft, 15th pick in 2012 draft, 17th pick in 2011 draft, and $23 in cap space next summer.