Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

[Def Swami]

LOL watching the presser from earlier today for the first time. I feel bad for Vaughn. He looks like his dog died.

[dsg2021]

The Houston deal was so much better. We keep LA out of it, get back a lot of young talent, high draft picks and cap space. Yeah they wouldn't take JRich etc, but some would have eventually. Seriously. How could you ship Howard to LA and NOT get Bynum in the deal? Worst trade ever. I'm not one hoping players get hurt, but I sincerely hope Howard's back never fully heals.

You don't even know what the Houston deal was. If it was better Rob would have taken it.

Did you ever consider that maybe the deal with Houston was better earlier and Houston lowered their offer because of Howards statements and antics? I still think getting a couple of Houston's rookies and Totonto's draft pick and another lottery pick was still better than this deal. Even WiTHOUT cap relief. And it is pretty certain Houston would have given that. Apparently they would not give the entire package. But everything else except cap relief is still better then this garbage. And I am sure most of you have seen this but here is some info about the "boy wonder" whom some of you still trust in. And I have no reason not to believe it's true after the Nelson signing and this latest catastrophe perpetrated by these incompetent boobs. I have no reason to doubt the story below.

Rob Hennigan spent four years with the Spurs, beginning as an intern and working his way up to become the team's director of basketball operations.
Hennigan left the Spurs to join Sam Presti in Oklahoma City, where he spent two seasons as the Thunder’s assistant general manager/player personnel.
"Hennigan didn’t have the same stature in San Antonio," writes Buck Harvey. "When he left to join Presti, the Spurs thought he probably needed to get out and try something else."
Presti's top assistant was Troy Weaver, who reportedly didn't interview as well with the Magic as Hennigan.
ViaBuck Harvey/San Antonio Express-News

Looks like the Magic have been conned yet again. A lot of you guys really respect the Spurs and their organization (and I do, too). It sounds like they were ready to fire Hennigan and send him off to be a used car salesman when he decided to leave and go to OKC. I guess if you interview well with the Magic, that's all it takes to land an important job. And obviously a good interview does not guarantee good results!

Sorry, but that's just more emo talk, which is ok, but I gotta step in here sometimes.

1) Henny is not Presti. That's Ok, so sorry he's not a top 1-3 exec in the whole league. So sorry Henny might be an amazing gm but a distant 3rd or 4th to Presti out of 30 teams of execs.
2) Presti played a huge part in BOS's title. He traded prime all stars Allen and Lewis for a bag of chips, not unlike Dwight trade when looking with short term glasses on.
3) Henny stayed in SAS 1-2 years after Presti left. I forgot how much time exactly because Im too lazy right now to check. Also, you have the head man of the OKC tree, Presti, complimenting Henny directly to GM, and the fact that Henny spent yet another 4 years in OKC under Presti. And now we have the suspicious timing of this first past criticism of Hennigan here. Pop/Buford also compliment the style Hennigan/Magic is going for in planning the team and its culture.
4) Hennigan went from intern to director of player personnel in just 4 short years in SAS. This is explained by one of two ways, Hennigan is a bright young man and at the very least a viable gm candidate, or Hennigan office politiked his way through very well in which case both the SAS and ORL are disparaged.

[mattyBoi]

I don't think I will ever get over this trade. I'm trying real hard to put it past me but I have just lost so much respect for this entire organization. It will take years, luck, perfect moves, a change of philosophy to where business guys stay the **** out of basketball decisions, a new coach (Vaughn is going to be a total bust), and total redemption or the firing of Hennigan for me to ever think about supporting the franchise like I have the past 23 years. That's where I'm at right now. Oh yeah, and **** the rest of the NBA, I won't watch any of it.

[cvMagic]

The more i think about this trade, its not as bad as i thought yesterday IF we can flip harrington to another team for either a 1st rounder or another PG

Infact, this trade is alot like the one we were all hoping for from the rockets

The deal we were all hoping for was pretty much

Lamb/Dmo/1 other rookie/parsons/tor pick and have them take a couple bad contracts

well

Afflalo>Lamb
Vucevic is similar type of player as DMo and was actually drafted ahead of him last year, plus is a legit C whereas DMo is more of a big PF. Dont get me wrong, id much rather have Dmo, but Vucevic isnt a bad prospect
Harkless= Royce White or Terrence Jones, and actually fills a much bigger need than either of them as a slasher/athletic SF
Sure Parsons is a much better player and prospect than Eyenga, but eyenga is still very young and athletic and has potential

We didnt get that toronto pick, BUT we did get 3 1st and a 2nd, who knows, might get lucky with one of those

And we dumped the contracts of Jrich and Duhon that we all wanted

So sure it wasnt the home run that the rockets trade was that we imagined in our heads, but its a VERY similar type of trade. Really the only BIG differences to me are getting stuck with Harrington and Dmo>vucevic, but if we can trade Harrington its a pretty close trade

Plus, this trade almost guarentees that we will have a top 3 record for the next 2 years, and with the way Stern helps out teams that help out the big markets or get screwed by superstars, we just might get 2 straight #1 picks

Two questions:

What are you drinking?

Where can I get some?

[cvMagic]

Now we got 3 missions left:
1. Trading Hedo.
2. Trading Al.
3. Getting a PG.

4. Finding an All-NBA DPOY starting Center

[Hotshot Hower]

That Hennigan story is pretty disheartening TBO. I know the guy is trying to get attention and all, but it still registers in my head now when I think about what we might have gotten ourselves into.

Pay no attention to it.

My "homer" glasses are usually thick, kind of like goggles when negativity is thrown our way. Though this story in my eyes should be irrelevant when judging new Magic GM Rob Hennigan. Just hearing Henny speak, let alone understanding him along with his tactics/vision is probably going to go down as the BEST acquisition the Magic have made front office-wise EVER. Jumping the gun? Nah.

At first glance, letting someone so young, so inexperienced run/control a franchise doesn't bode so well with fans, even other NBA execs, but it's a new way of thinking and doing things and i'm glad Magic Brass (Devos/Martins) see it that way when they hired Henny.

It's a high risk/high reward anyway you look at it, but it's the right move for a franchise that so badly wants to win a title. Like Presti, with no NBA experience, Hennigan is the brain trust of an organization, part of the "new wave" of NBA GM's who are slowly taking NBA front offices by storm.

Out with the old, in with the new.

[bigmoe1952]

LOL at people believing the Houston deal was real.

Seriously. WOW.

You DON'T know what the deal was. Maybe Houston was offering more in the beginning. I would have rather have gotten a couple of the Rocket rookies and draft picks then this **** deal.

Seriously,,,WOW!

[bigmoe1952]

Some of you guys are **** babies. Get over it. The deal is done let's move forward with what we have and build though draft's and trades. I'm excited for the upcoming season, the young guys will get plenty of run and we can see what we have.

But the same idiot who brokered this deal with also be handling our draft and trades. Why should that inspire anyone? And stop with the babies nonsense. geez!

[Hotshot Hower]

Dsg2021 wrote:

Sorry, but that's just more emo talk, which is ok, but I gotta step in here sometimes.

1) Henny is not Presti. That's Ok, so sorry he's not a top 1-3 exec in the whole league. So sorry Henny might be an amazing gm but a distant 3rd or 4th to Presti out of 30 teams of execs.
2) Presti played a huge part in BOS's title. He traded prime all stars Allen and Lewis for a bag of chips, not unlike Dwight trade when looking with short term glasses on.
3) Henny stayed in SAS 1-2 years after Presti left. I forgot how much time exactly because Im too lazy right now to check. Also, you have the head man of the OKC tree, Presti, complimenting Henny directly to GM, and the fact that Henny spent yet another 4 years in OKC under Presti. And now we have the suspicious timing of this first past criticism of Hennigan here. Pop/Buford also compliment the style Hennigan/Magic is going for in planning the team and its culture.
4) Hennigan went from intern to director of player personnel in just 4 short years in SAS. This is explained by one of two ways, Hennigan is a bright young man and at the very least a viable gm candidate, or Hennigan office politiked his way through very well in which case both the SAS and ORL are disparaged.

I don't think there's a bad post in your DNA.

I've been on this board for almost 8 years and I've never agreed/seen eye-to-eye with someone so much.

Of course, no homo bruh.

[MitchellUK]

I'll pay no attention to that Hennigan story. It was obvious things like that would come out - right now the popular opinion is to crap on this deal for the Magic, so sources will appear and disassociate themselves from it, however indirect their connection.

Maybe it ends up being the beginning of a horrible attempt at a rebuild, and maybe not. Right now, this is Hennigan getting us back to square-1 after the disastrous attempt end to the Dwight/Otis era. I know this board is obsessed with the "quick-fix", but we should judge him on how this team looks a year or two from now, not how it looks at the moment, and not on what faceless, nameless "sources" want to say to fit in with the majority and drive the controversy.

[drsd]

I'll pay no attention to that Hennigan story.

What this story says is that GM Hennigan was not ready to be a GM when he was 27 years old and that he needed to move on to season his resume. How is that in any way strange?

[drsd]

Looking at the current roster, one has to assume that the Magic will be part of in season trades.

PG: Orlando has nothing to trade. Nelson has immediately risen to the most-important vet list. His job now is to prepare the young guns for their future.

SG: Redick
He is redundant to Afflalo and GM Hennigan clearly values youth. I see Redick being traded before Christmas to a playoff contender that sees a need for an upgrade at starting SG. The return could be a request for another young-project and a low-round 1st.

SF: Türkoğlu/Richardson
One or both of these players should be traded to a team that has a fluke injury to their SF. The requested return could simply be cap space. Any team with a trade exemption could easily target either player.

PF: Harrington
Has there ever been a player more certain to not buy a house? Harrington was traded for so that he could be traded again. If he could be traded for a young project PG, then this is a good move.

C: Orlando might be unlikely to trade anyone from their C pool. I see Davis being kept for the same reasons as Nelson. He understands winning and his job is to teach that.


So, in season, I see four Magicians being shipped off in various other deals. Harrington might not even make the season tip off if GM Hennigan can swing a PG deal. Would Memphis trade Tony Wroten for Harrington? Or Chicago Marquis Teague for Harrington? Either of those deals could work out for the Magic.

It would be great if Orlando could pry Kendall Marshall from Phoenix. But how???

..

[The Effect]

The more i think about this trade, its not as bad as i thought yesterday IF we can flip harrington to another team for either a 1st rounder or another PG

Infact, this trade is alot like the one we were all hoping for from the rockets

The deal we were all hoping for was pretty much

Lamb/Dmo/1 other rookie/parsons/tor pick and have them take a couple bad contracts

well

Afflalo>Lamb
Vucevic is similar type of player as DMo and was actually drafted ahead of him last year, plus is a legit C whereas DMo is more of a big PF. Dont get me wrong, id much rather have Dmo, but Vucevic isnt a bad prospect
Harkless= Royce White or Terrence Jones, and actually fills a much bigger need than either of them as a slasher/athletic SF
Sure Parsons is a much better player and prospect than Eyenga, but eyenga is still very young and athletic and has potential

We didnt get that toronto pick, BUT we did get 3 1st and a 2nd, who knows, might get lucky with one of those

And we dumped the contracts of Jrich and Duhon that we all wanted

So sure it wasnt the home run that the rockets trade was that we imagined in our heads, but its a VERY similar type of trade. Really the only BIG differences to me are getting stuck with Harrington and Dmo>vucevic, but if we can trade Harrington its a pretty close trade

Plus, this trade almost guarentees that we will have a top 3 record for the next 2 years, and with the way Stern helps out teams that help out the big markets or get screwed by superstars, we just might get 2 straight #1 picks

Two questions:

What are you drinking?

Where can I get some?

Why? What am i wrong about? How is this deal that much different than the "DREAM" trade scenario everyone had of the rockets?

[rcklsscognition]

Still depressed we didn't sign Wayns.

[Hotshot Hower]

I'll pay no attention to that Hennigan story. It was obvious things like that would come out - right now the popular opinion is to crap on this deal for the Magic, so sources will appear and disassociate themselves from it, however indirect their connection.

Maybe it ends up being the beginning of a horrible attempt at a rebuild, and maybe not. Right now, this is Hennigan getting us back to square-1 after the disastrous attempt end to the Dwight/Otis era. I know this board is obsessed with the "quick-fix", but we should judge him on how this team looks a year or two from now, not how it looks at the moment, and not on what faceless, nameless "sources" want to say to fit in with the majority and drive the controversy.

+1

[cvMagic]

The more i think about this trade, its not as bad as i thought yesterday IF we can flip harrington to another team for either a 1st rounder or another PG

Infact, this trade is alot like the one we were all hoping for from the rockets

The deal we were all hoping for was pretty much

Lamb/Dmo/1 other rookie/parsons/tor pick and have them take a couple bad contracts

well

Afflalo>Lamb
Vucevic is similar type of player as DMo and was actually drafted ahead of him last year, plus is a legit C whereas DMo is more of a big PF. Dont get me wrong, id much rather have Dmo, but Vucevic isnt a bad prospect
Harkless= Royce White or Terrence Jones, and actually fills a much bigger need than either of them as a slasher/athletic SF
Sure Parsons is a much better player and prospect than Eyenga, but eyenga is still very young and athletic and has potential

We didnt get that toronto pick, BUT we did get 3 1st and a 2nd, who knows, might get lucky with one of those

And we dumped the contracts of Jrich and Duhon that we all wanted

So sure it wasnt the home run that the rockets trade was that we imagined in our heads, but its a VERY similar type of trade. Really the only BIG differences to me are getting stuck with Harrington and Dmo>vucevic, but if we can trade Harrington its a pretty close trade

Plus, this trade almost guarentees that we will have a top 3 record for the next 2 years, and with the way Stern helps out teams that help out the big markets or get screwed by superstars, we just might get 2 straight #1 picks

Two questions:

What are you drinking?

Where can I get some?

Why? What am i wrong about? How is this deal that much different than the "DREAM" trade scenario everyone had of the rockets?

Okay, I'll get specific...

We didnt get that toronto pick, BUT we did get 3 1st and a 2nd, who knows, might get lucky with one of those

Plus, this trade almost guarentees that we will have a top 3 record for the next 2 years, and with the way Stern helps out teams that help out the big markets or get screwed by superstars, we just might get 2 straight #1 picks

Sounded like a person who'd had a few good drinks.

[in-limbo]

Obviously if Harkless turns into a player and we can get something for the TPE, the trade will look quite a bit better. This is very much like the reaction to the draft which was way out of touch. Not that this is a great trade, it isn't, but it has a chance to be what we need, Patience is needed here.

Are there any good expiring contract guys we could target with the TPE? Even two years worth of a guy to expire with Meer and Turk. Really doesn't have to be a great plyaer, hell the guy could be overpaid for all I care. 2014 could be a very exciting year with a boatload of money and our own picks for 2013 and 2014.

This team is a little too good maybe. I would expect the Magic to get a little "worse" before we get goin this year. Hard to be bad and have team chemistry,it will be very interesting.

Dwight will have to change as a person to succeed with the Lakers. He wants to increase his offensive role, that has been a problem here for a couple years...and does anyone see Kobe putting up with Dwights current act. Dwights ego will be tested to the fullest and I don't think he has it in him to change.

[cvMagic]

I'll pay no attention to that Hennigan story. It was obvious things like that would come out - right now the popular opinion is to crap on this deal for the Magic, so sources will appear and disassociate themselves from it, however indirect their connection.

Maybe it ends up being the beginning of a horrible attempt at a rebuild, and maybe not. Right now, this is Hennigan getting us back to square-1 after the disastrous attempt end to the Dwight/Otis era. I know this board is obsessed with the "quick-fix", but we should judge him on how this team looks a year or two from now, not how it looks at the moment, and not on what faceless, nameless "sources" want to say to fit in with the majority and drive the controversy.

+1

The people who hate this trade are not obsessed with a quick fix.
It's the fact that the Magic couldn't get 1 lottery pick or 1 top ten rookie talent for the best big man of his generation.

Gerald Wallace gets traded for a lottery pick. Dwight doesn't.
Couple that with the fact that the cap relief wasn't near as great as we hoped...
And the Magic didn't even get an additional 2013 first round pick in the deal.

If we're all being honest. We all hoped for more. And here's the kicker...
There was no rush to pull this off on August 9th, two months before training camp.
It makes zero sense why the Magic had to settle for this now.

I get that we're all Magic fans and want to hope for the best and see this team succeed... that doesn't mean we have to lie to ourselves as to the quality of this trade.

[cvMagic]

Obviously if Harkless turns into a player and we can get something for the TPE, the trade will look quite a bit better. This is very much like the reaction to the draft which was way out of touch. Not that this is a great trade, it isn't, but it has a chance to be what we need, Patience is needed here.

Are there any good expiring contract guys we could target with the TPE? Even two years worth of a guy to expire with Meer and Turk. Really doesn't have to be a great plyaer, hell the guy could be overpaid for all I care. 2014 could be a very exciting year with a boatload of money and our own picks for 2013 and 2014.

This team is a little too good maybe. I would expect the Magic to get a little "worse" before we get goin this year. Hard to be bad and have team chemistry,it will be very interesting.

Dwight will have to change as a person to succeed with the Lakers. He wants to increase his offensive role, that has been a problem here for a couple years...and does anyone see Kobe putting up with Dwights current act. Dwights ego will be tested to the fullest and I don't think he has it in him to change.

i agree with you that this team may not be bad enough.
In fact, I'd argue the team as is now is better than the team that faced Indiana in the playoffs. Especially when you consider Afflalo is an upgrade at SG and Nicholson has more athleticism than Ryno and was a 40% shooter from 3 pt range last year.

Everyone assuming that the Magic will only win 10-15 games as is are delusional. This team has 30 wins and 10th pick in the draft written all over it. I hope we do make a few deals to get "worse".

[rafal]

Stop crying. They had three options: Nets, Lakers, Dallas. Period. Dealing allstar is not easy, you have to give him what he wans. People all over the world are disgusted with Dwight actions. F him and his camp, loyality and all that "love Orlando" crap. We have a new era upon us. No matter what happens I`ll still watch Magic games in the middle of the night.
And again- all Poland sais F U D12