Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

[KingRobb02]

yet when the nets were trading for him he was an awful contract

He is only looking at scoring numbers. I think he assumes that JRich being able to score 12 PPG will replace what Iggy does.

On a related note, why was everyone so angry about the Richardson contract in the first place? Look at similar guys (30 year old spot up shooters) and you will see that his salary is about average. Was it the length? I am much more pissed about the Big Baby deal.

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

[SOUL]

just keep the faith. we arent the warriors (missing playoffs 14 out of 15 years) or knicks (havent won a game for 10 years). yet nobody is panicking about them.

[Nyce_1]

I've yet to share my opinion on the trade due to traveling and not being around a computer, but I am completely enraged about this. The object in the NBA is to remain sound, hence, keep the seats filled, and in no way will this trade do that. I'll remain a magic fan, but i have no reason to pull for a team that trades it's best player, while getting garage in return, whilst shedding no terrible contracts. Either get talent back, or dump your bad contracts. I feel the FO was tired of getting strong armed, and went ahead and bent over to take it. Who knows, but I don't expect a title in the next decade now.

Otis wouldn't have let it get to this point fellas. He may have dug this hole, scrambling for an impatient Dwight, but he'd have dealt Dwight for more than pocket change, and produced a competitive team.

Does Rob realize what he's done?

The object in the NBA is to win a championship while sustaining longevity as a contending team. Being stuck as a mediocre 7-9th seed playoff team is the worse place we could've ended up. We'll suck hard for 2-3 years but we'll progress faster towards our goal than being mediocre and trying to build with those risky assets. Starting over to build our team, our cultural foundation, is the right & best way to go.

[BadMofoPimp]

All I understood from your quote was:

just lost the faith. we will miss the playoffs 14 out of the next 15 years or will not win a game for the next 10 years. Yet everybody is panicking about them.

[TDJacksonville]

He is only looking at scoring numbers. I think he assumes that JRich being able to score 12 PPG will replace what Iggy does.

On a related note, why was everyone so angry about the Richardson contract in the first place? Look at similar guys (30 year old spot up shooters) and you will see that his salary is about average. Was it the length? I am much more pissed about the Big Baby deal.

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

still didnt say anything for the reasons that Jrichs deal was worse but in a way they are equally bad but i could live with BBDs contract because he still has room to improve as well as him still being young.

[in-limbo]

I am assuming everyone understands that we were going to get screwed on this deal no matter what...right?

[Nyce_1]

He is only looking at scoring numbers. I think he assumes that JRich being able to score 12 PPG will replace what Iggy does.

On a related note, why was everyone so angry about the Richardson contract in the first place? Look at similar guys (30 year old spot up shooters) and you will see that his salary is about average. Was it the length? I am much more pissed about the Big Baby deal.

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.

[MagicFan41]

Lol in what world are we strapped financially when most people are saying we have 30 million in cap space coming in 2014. Someone needs to make a thread with some facts. Too much different info going around.

Here you go. http://ht.ly/cUkB6

2012- $62,299,525
2013- $43,167,473
2014- $29,221,840
2015- $13,024,652
2016- $0

Those numbers are somewhat misleading though because I'm pretty sure it counts all of the TEAM options towards the salaries...which is stupid. If they wanted to clear capspace they have the option to decline it. For example in 2014 it should be more like $21mil

[BadMofoPimp]

I am assuming everyone understands that we were going to get screwed on this deal no matter what...right?

There is a difference between getting screwed and committing business suicide. Magic committed suicide. Don't try to defend the most lopsided and historically worst trade in NBA history.

[rcklsscognition]

This truly is amazing how many GMs are leaking info on the passed down deals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

I know it was mentioned before, but Henny acquired Iggy and traded him to Denver basically. He acquired Bynum and traded him to Philly. Seems that we could have found better deals for Iggy IMO.

[Darth Magic]

I am assuming everyone understands that we were going to get screwed on this deal no matter what...right?

There is a difference between getting screwed and committing business suicide. Magic committed suicide. Don't try to defend the most lopsided and historically worst trade in NBA history.

This isn't hyperbole at all

[Last Guardian]

I am assuming everyone understands that we were going to get screwed on this deal no matter what...right?

Because of Dwight. How people are blaming the Magic for this I don't know. This is 100% Dwights fault. He destroyed our leverage and ability to posture for better return. The guy is a **** and should be banned from the league.

[SOUL]

All I understood from your quote was:

just lost the faith. we will miss the playoffs 14 out of the next 15 years or will not win a game for the next 10 years. Yet everybody is panicking about them.

oh yeah doom gloom etc

[Def Swami]

This truly is amazing how many GMs are leaking info on the passed down deals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

I know it was mentioned before, but Henny acquired Iggy and traded him to Denver basically. He acquired Bynum and traded him to Philly. Seems that we could have found better deals for Iggy IMO.

So we essentially got Afflalo and Harrington and a TPE (draft picks are irrelevant) for Iggy.

Grade that one...I would have wanted an uprotected 1st rounder from the team we sent him to. But it seems that Rob and Scott pegged Afflalo and Harrington for some reason. Hopefully the TPE can make this deal worth it.

[ilikebeer]

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.[/quote]

I love Big Baby's hustle on the court, but I'm not sure I agree that BBD is the great influence you all think he is. This is the same player who once dropped his pants during a game. The same guy who was suspended by SVG last year for acting up in practice. The same guy who played pretty selfish basketball for most of the regular season. Also, he is one of the least physically fit players in the league.

I get that he loves being here, but he probably also realizes that we were one of the only teams willing to pay him over $6 million a year.

I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but come one guys. This is Glen Davis.

[ChildishGambino]

This truly is amazing how many GMs are leaking info on the passed down deals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

I know it was mentioned before, but Henny acquired Iggy and traded him to Denver basically. He acquired Bynum and traded him to Philly. Seems that we could have found better deals for Iggy IMO.

interesting article.....in before the guys that don't read the whole article...."Damn we could of had IGGY" "We could had Bynum" "Henny is an idiot" i know it's coming

[MoMM]

This truly is amazing how many GMs are leaking info on the passed down deals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

I know it was mentioned before, but Henny acquired Iggy and traded him to Denver basically. He acquired Bynum and traded him to Philly. Seems that we could have found better deals for Iggy IMO.

Well, but remember that both will be FA next offseason, so maybe Rob didnt want to deal with another "stars" trying to leave and choose their destiny. Another problem is that both would require MAX or near MAX contracts, and it wouldnt help us long-term.

Afflalo is a poor mans Iguodala, but would you say that Andre worths 8M per year more than Afflalo (double)? Bynum would worth his contract, but the injuries would scary everyone. No one want a Grant Hill 2.0 here.

Like i said in another post:
1st trade: D12 + Duhon + Earl for Bynum + McBob + Eyenga + 1st + 2nd
2nd trade: Bynum + Jrich for Iguodala + Nik + Harkless + 1st
3rd trade: Iguodala for Al + Afflalo + 1st + 2nd

[Darth Magic]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

OK, so on the surface, this seems obvious, right? The Magic were going to get their pick of any of those players. But there's been a lot of talk about how the Magic selectively lost because they "didn't get" any of the good players. This is a basic failure to understand a rebuilding process. Neither Iguodala nor Bynum helps the Magic, because they wind up in the same situation as before, with a star likely to leave in free agency.

I really wish those bashing the trade would read this and calm the down. the Magic could have gotten Igoudala and didn't want him. the Magic coud have gotten Bynum, and didn't want him! Please, please stop saying that we got fleeced, bamboozled and otherwise. The Magic knew exactly what they wanted and got that.

[arsenal6106]

Edit: I just listened to the interview. I definitely recommend it. Some pretty good questions from the host.

JVaughn was on the radio earlier.

Here's the link to the radio interview

http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station ... 6_8571.mp3

Vaughn discussed his new gig in a radio appearance on Orlando's WYGM, of which appearance Sports Radio Interviews has provided a transcript.

When asked if the Magic's being in a rebuild bothered him, Vaughn said no. "I look at it as being sustainable," he said. The 12-year NBA veteran went on to describe "Being competitive every single year and having a sustainable product that people want to see year in and year out" as "the most important thing for us going forward."

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... #storyjump

[Swiftraven]

We could trade our TPE to a team who wants to be under the cap next offseason and have a big contract that expires in 2014 + some picks, because our goal is 2014.

For example: Emeka + Wizards Draft Pick for TPE.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington.htm

Doing that will not gain us cap space. The TPE does not count towards the cap, it is just a slot you can use to take on a salary. Until you use it and get a player, it just sits there not counting towards anything.