Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

[TDJacksonville]

anyone remember this trade in 2007

Boston sent the Minnesota Timberwolves forwards Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes and Gerald Green, guard Sebastian Telfair and center Theo Ratliff, two first-round draft picks and cash considerations. Besides Ratliff, 34, the other four are 24 or younger. 1 of the picks they drafted in 2009 at 28 Wayne Ellington, the other was their own 2009 pick being returned to them they drafted Johnny Flynn

besides the names not to much different

Looks like you are saying that with our trade will happen the same thing, right? Al Jeff is a 20/10 player and if Wolves had drafted Stephen Curry (#7 pick, Flynn was #6) the trade wouldnt look so bad, right?

imagine the wolves with Curry rubio and love that would be a good trio to build around

[mhi]

It really is ridiculous how the Orlando magic has lucked out (yes getting a #1 pick is luck) after years of non competitive play to be in the lottery so they could end up with the two most DOMINANT centers(the rarest position to fill after the Jordan era) ONLY to lose BOTH of them to the Lakers as they enter their PRIME.

Something has to change here or history will continue to repeat itself.

[BadMofoPimp]

I rather have Harrington than Turk.

Congrats. You get both.

[rcklsscognition]

I'm just imagining us being the worst team this season and somehow getting the 14th pick in the draft. How terrible would that be?

[OrlandO]

Will people stop talking about Harrington like we're going to keep him? He'll be gone by the trade deadline... stop being so damn short-sighted. The trade is not about the present, but about the future. If you're going to criticize over and over, at least go into detail about how the trade has screwed our future. Hennigan has a plan for every piece we got... they are not there just to be there.

[colamagicfan]

anyone remember this trade in 2007

Boston sent the Minnesota Timberwolves forwards Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes and Gerald Green, guard Sebastian Telfair and center Theo Ratliff, two first-round draft picks and cash considerations. Besides Ratliff, 34, the other four are 24 or younger. 1 of the picks they drafted in 2009 at 28 Wayne Ellington, the other was their own 2009 pick being returned to them they drafted Johnny Flynn

besides the names not to much different

Looks like you are saying that with our trade will happen the same thing, right? Al Jeff is a 20/10 player and if Wolves had drafted Stephen Curry (#7 pick, Flynn was #6) the trade wouldnt look so bad, right?

what i am saying its not like the trade we did is the only time a trade like this happened, this trade can turn out to be more then what it looks, I have said before you really cant judge this trade for 2-3 seasons

[rcklsscognition]

Check out Harrington's stats side by side with Anderson. Numbers eerily close.

[MoMM]

People should just get over the names in this trade. The Magic are not trying to be better this year or even next year. Acquiring even a mid-level, Igoudala like star would ruin our long term plans. Our guys know that we need a superstar to compete and the only shot we had at one was keeping Dwight (no chance) and crossing our fingers in the draft. No bad teams were going to facilitate this trade so we took the picks from the teams we could.

But, the Magic could get a top 10 level young talent for Iggy or Bynum. Not, two veterans that are past their prime and the 15th pick in the draft. Ooops.

Since when Afflalo is past his prime? He had his better season last year and he is paid half of Iguodala's contract.

As for #15 (Harkless), Rob saw him as a Top 10 pick and we arent even talking about Nik, who i think could be a Top 10 pick too.

We also took a small bet in Eyenga and McRob could net us another late pick.

As for Al Harrington, let's see what the Magic can get for him.

[ChildishGambino]

People should just get over the names in this trade. The Magic are not trying to be better this year or even next year. Acquiring even a mid-level, Igoudala like star would ruin our long term plans. Our guys know that we need a superstar to compete and the only shot we had at one was keeping Dwight (no chance) and crossing our fingers in the draft. No bad teams were going to facilitate this trade so we took the picks from the teams we could.

But, the Magic could get a top 10 level young talent for Iggy or Bynum. Not, two veterans that are past their prime and the 15th pick in the draft. Ooops.

If it was that easy to trade those guys for value, they would have been moved by now. Every summer we hear that Igoudala is on the block. The snag is always that the Sixers think of him at one level, while the other team tries to get him for guys like Monta Ellis. I don't know why people think our front office is so much better at flipping talent than their current team.

why can't people understand this? well said

[BadMofoPimp]

It really is ridiculous how the Orlando magic has lucked out (yes getting a #1 pick is luck) after years of non competitive play to be in the lottery so they could end up with the two most DOMINANT centers(the rarest position to fill after the Jordan era) ONLY to lose BOTH of them to the Lakers as they enter their PRIME.

Something has to change here or history will continue to repeat itself.

Don't worry. Magic will never get that lucky again. We had our chance. Now, we can settle on being the next Milwaukee or Warriors. The Magic should just give away seats to people who buy (3) day passes to Disney World when they visit town as a side attraction.

[MoMM]

Check out Harrington's stats side by side with Anderson. Numbers eerily close.

And Harrington doesnt play with a dominant center demanding double-teams all the time.

PS: Al Harrington is paid 2M per year less than RynO.

[Furinkazan]

People should just get over the names in this trade. The Magic are not trying to be better this year or even next year. Acquiring even a mid-level, Igoudala like star would ruin our long term plans. Our guys know that we need a superstar to compete and the only shot we had at one was keeping Dwight (no chance) and crossing our fingers in the draft. No bad teams were going to facilitate this trade so we took the picks from the teams we could.

But, the Magic could get a top 10 level young talent for Iggy or Bynum. Not, two veterans that are past their prime and the 15th pick in the draft. Ooops.

Since when Afflalo is past his prime? He had his better season last year and he is paid half of Iguodala's contract.

As for #15 (Harkless), Rob saw him as a Top 10 pick and we arent even talking about Nik, who i think could be a Top 10 pick too.

We also took a small bet in Eyenga and McRob could net us another late pick.

As for Al Harrington, let's see what the Magic can get for him.

LOOOOOOL

stop using crystal meth
you actually compare Afflalo and Iggy?:D
lol and he had better season last year?

I guess you just found new dimention

last time I checked Afflalo had one of worst seasons
stopped playing defense right after he got big contract

[BadMofoPimp]

I'm just imagining us being the worst team this season and somehow getting the 14th pick in the draft. How terrible would that be?

Would be bad, but statistically about impossible. I wouldn't doubt having the worst record and getting the 6th pick though, which is almost statistically impossible. More like getting the 4th pick with the worst record, which is statistically probable.

[Furinkazan]

People should just get over the names in this trade. The Magic are not trying to be better this year or even next year. Acquiring even a mid-level, Igoudala like star would ruin our long term plans. Our guys know that we need a superstar to compete and the only shot we had at one was keeping Dwight (no chance) and crossing our fingers in the draft. No bad teams were going to facilitate this trade so we took the picks from the teams we could.

But, the Magic could get a top 10 level young talent for Iggy or Bynum. Not, two veterans that are past their prime and the 15th pick in the draft. Ooops.

Since when Afflalo is past his prime? He had his better season last year and he is paid half of Iguodala's contract.

As for #15 (Harkless), Rob saw him as a Top 10 pick and we arent even talking about Nik, who i think could be a Top 10 pick too.

We also took a small bet in Eyenga and McRob could net us another late pick.

As for Al Harrington, let's see what the Magic can get for him.

LOOOOOOL

stop using crystal meth
you actually compare Afflalo and Iggy?:D
lol and he had better season last year?

I guess you just found new dimention

last time I checked Afflalo had one of worst seasons
stopped playing defense right after he got big contract

[ChildishGambino]

``I think we’re pliable and we’ve set ourselves up to look at both avenues,’’ said Hennigan, referring to rebuilding through free agency and the draft. ``That was something that was important to us. I don’t think you can ever get too parochial and say, `This is the model that we need to subscribe to.’ We have a lot of flexibility. We have flexibility to build through free agency. We have the flexibility to build through trades.’’

Obviously some of us in here know better than Rob right? the guy who was in the war room listening to deals working the phones.....we know what we could of gotten better than the guy who was actually there with first hand knowledge of what was offered and what we could of gotten right?....i think the word Pretentious applies to some people in this thread no offense......just to make it clear though i'm NOT defending the trade i just hope that people would move on....

[KingRobb02]

Everyone stop. This is not even a comparison.

Ryan Anderson
23 years old
21.2 PER (15 is average)
.589 TS%
13.0% ORB
14.7% DRB
13.8% TRB
6.4% TOV
.219 WS/48 (.1 is average)

Al Harrington
31 years old
15.3 PER
.512 TS%
4.9% ORB
20.4% DRB
12.9% TRB
11.6% TOV
.088 WS/48

[mattyBoi]

People need to realize that we CHOOSE to flip Bynum for Iggy which is a big dropoff and then CHOOSE to flip Iggy for trash. Rob made terrible use of assets.

I Denver offered Afflalo and Harrington for Iggy to Philly they would have laughed in their faces. And you all know it.

[ChildishGambino]

GM matty boi at work

[ChildishGambino]

you know what how about we make a thread for the GM's here....make a better trade deal with the same 4 teams that makes sense for every team involved.....

[Def Swami]

Brooklyn fell through because Orlando had no interest in acquiring, and subsequently overpaying, big men Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries.

Houston’s offer wasn’t as attractive as reports have indicated. The Rockets weren’t willing to give up all of their picks and prospects in addition to taking back Orlando’s bad contracts. It was one or the other. If Houston was giving away their prospects, they weren’t taking back bad contracts. If they were taking back bad contracts, they weren’t giving away their prospects. Without a long-term commitment from Howard, the Rockets weren’t willing to potentially ruin their future by giving away all of their prospects and taking back ugly deals. Houston wasn’t going to put themselves in a position where if Howard left after the season, they’d be stuck with bad contracts and have zero young players to build around. Throughout this process, Houston’s offer was described as the perfect deal for Orlando, but the Rockets were never going to give up everything and take back all of Orlando’s luggage.

A two-way deal with Los Angeles wasn’t an option because Henningan and his staff didn’t want Andrew Bynum due to his history of injuries and upcoming free agency drama of his own, and because they couldn’t acquire the first-round picks they wanted without involving other teams.

Orlando decided on the four-team deal because it offered the most picks, prospects and cap relief.

With the right draft decisions and free agent signings, Orlando’s rebuilding process could be rather short. Hennigan received criticism for the Howard trade, but it’s his next moves that will determine whether the Magic made the right decision and what their future holds. He has given himself the picks and money to rebuild the team into a contender. Now, Hennigan must turn his vision into reality.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-the-or ... ster-plan/