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truwizfan4evr wrote:Rockets got Delfino Were missing out on all the good remaining free agent what is Ernie doing?
pancakes3 wrote:I agree with Wall but not Beal. Beal is a teenager; We shouldn't pin too much hope to him. Nene is the clear cut 2nd best player on our roster and the drop in talent after him is precipitous.
Ruzious wrote:3. Why not at least wait a year to amnesty Scola - considering he still had 30 mil on his contract - and they're most likely not using any cap space cleared by amnestying him? Otoh, maybe this was a good move, since Phoenix (Drajic's new team) put in a 4/13 bid - I'm guessing that's 13 mil Htn doesn't have to pay. Is that how the CBA handles it?
verbal8 wrote:Ruzious wrote:3. Why not at least wait a year to amnesty Scola - considering he still had 30 mil on his contract - and they're most likely not using any cap space cleared by amnestying him? Otoh, maybe this was a good move, since Phoenix (Drajic's new team) put in a 4/13 bid - I'm guessing that's 13 mil Htn doesn't have to pay. Is that how the CBA handles it?
I think the bid was due to the structure of Scola's deal. I think an acquiring team has to at a minimum pay the unguaranteed portion of the contract. This means the money goes to the player and not the team using the amnesty. So the only benefit for Houston was cap space. If they were willing to sacrifice cap space, they probably could have traded him for someone like Turkoglu who is less productive, but has a shorter deal.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:pancakes3 wrote:I agree with Wall but not Beal. Beal is a teenager; We shouldn't pin too much hope to him. Nene is the clear cut 2nd best player on our roster and the drop in talent after him is precipitous.
Nene is the best player on this team. Wall is the most physically gifted.
People seem to think Wall is a dominating player and as far as I am concerned he very clearly is not.
Also as with any other waived player, another team may place a waiver claim in order to acquire the player before he clears waivers (see question number 63). But amnesty is different from the normal waiver process in that it allows teams to make either a full or partial waiver claim. When a team makes a full waiver claim it acquires the player, assumes his full contract, and pays all remaining salary obligations (and the waiving team has no further salary obligation to the player). Full waiver claims have precedence over partial waiver claims -- if one team makes a full waiver claim and another makes a partial waiver claim, the team making the full waiver claim is awarded the player. If multiple teams make full waiver claims, the player is awarded to the team with the worst record.
A partial waiver claim is a bid for a single dollar amount. If no team makes a full waiver claim, the player is awarded to the team submitting the highest bid in a partial waiver claim. If multiple teams bid the same amount, the player is awarded to the team with the worst record. When a team is awarded a player via a partial waiver claim, it pays the following portion of the player's salary:
The amount of their bid, spread pro rata across all remaining guaranteed years of the player's contract
All non-base compensation, such as bonuses
100% of the player's salary in non-guaranteed seasons
The waiving team continues to pay the remainder of the player's salary -- any portion that is not paid by the claiming team. For example, the New York Knicks amnestied Chauncey Billups in 2011 with one year remaining on his contract for $14.2 million. The Los Angeles Clippers submitted the only bid, for $2,000,032. The Clippers paid Billups the amount of their bid, with the Knicks responsible for the remaining $12,199,968. This system (plus the rules for minimum bids, as described below) helps ensure that the waiving team doesn't have to pay the player more than they would have paid had they waived their player without amnesty.
The minimum bid for a partial waiver claim is whichever of the following is larger:
The sum of the player's minimum salary for all remaining years of his contract, except for completely non-guaranteed seasons (seasons with 0% salary protection) which are ignored for this purpose.
The sum of all non-guaranteed salary in partially-guaranteed seasons.
For example, if a 10+ year veteran is amnestied in 2012 with three years remaining on his contract at $10 million each season, and his salary is guaranteed 100% in 2012-13, 60% in 2013-14, and 0% in 2014-15, then the minimum bid for a partial waiver claim is $4 million -- the unprotected amount in the partly-protected 2013-14 season, which is larger than the sum of the minimum salaries for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons. Since the 2014-15 season is completely unprotected, it is ignored when determining the minimum bid amount.
nate33 wrote:verbal8 wrote:Ruzious wrote:3. Why not at least wait a year to amnesty Scola - considering he still had 30 mil on his contract - and they're most likely not using any cap space cleared by amnestying him? Otoh, maybe this was a good move, since Phoenix (Drajic's new team) put in a 4/13 bid - I'm guessing that's 13 mil Htn doesn't have to pay. Is that how the CBA handles it?
I think the bid was due to the structure of Scola's deal. I think an acquiring team has to at a minimum pay the unguaranteed portion of the contract. This means the money goes to the player and not the team using the amnesty. So the only benefit for Houston was cap space. If they were willing to sacrifice cap space, they probably could have traded him for someone like Turkoglu who is less productive, but has a shorter deal.
No. Ruzious had it right. If a player is owed $10M a year for 2 years and is amnestied, his team must pay him that $10M a year over two years but it won't count against the cap. If another team picks up the player in the waiver auction, he must pick him up for the duration of his contract (2 years) but only have to pay him whatever it took to win the auction. Let's say that figure was $4M a year for 2 years. In that case, the original team would owe the player $6M a year for 2 years (while costing nothing against the cap), and the new team would owe the player $4M a year for 2 years (costing $4M a year against the cap). The player gets his $10M a year no matter what.
nate33 wrote:^
Weird.
In Scola's case, his final year was only guaranteed if certain milestones were met. Would that mean that it was technically 100% non-guaranteed and could therefore be ignored for waiver bidding purposes?
payitforward wrote:What if an amnestied player is *not* picked up via a full or partial waiver claim?
Presumably, he becomes a UFA and can negotiate any deal w/ any nba team -- but... does that deal still reduce what the amnestying team owes him?
I.e. if Blatche signs somewhere for the veteran minimum, is that amount subtracted from what the Wizards owe him?
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:This thread came to a screaching halt.
How about this. Given they are at 13, I figure they sign maybe one more player if that. They may just leave it open for a training camp invite. But if they are to target one more who do you want? Tolliver, Childress, Pietrus? Is there anyone else still out there worth considering?
verbal8 wrote:SUPERBALLMAN wrote:This thread came to a screaching halt.
How about this. Given they are at 13, I figure they sign maybe one more player if that. They may just leave it open for a training camp invite. But if they are to target one more who do you want? Tolliver, Childress, Pietrus? Is there anyone else still out there worth considering?
I think Pietrus could be a good addition, but not terribly exciting. The Wizards might be better off rotating through some promising D-League guys.
BruceO wrote:I googled houston roster and a list with 23 players or so came up. Whats their roster situation? Im assuming some are non guaranteed, playing overseas or going to get cut? Or will they do trade downs? Can we trade them our second round euro knowing he wont take up a roster spot for them, or what other moves can be made? They currently have livingston and k mart on that roster as well which wont fit in with a rebuild
Nivek wrote:Houston just released Josh Harrellson. He didn't play much as a rookie -- just 540 total minutes -- but he actually wasn't bad. He's a guy I wouldn't mind seeing the Wizards pick up as a depth big man. He won't be an All-Star, but he's one of those pesky players with a big body and active hands who always seems to get in the opponents' way. As a 3rd center behind Okafor and Seraphin, the Wiz could do a lot worse than Harrellson.
Severn Hoos wrote:Nivek wrote:Houston just released Josh Harrellson. He didn't play much as a rookie -- just 540 total minutes -- but he actually wasn't bad. He's a guy I wouldn't mind seeing the Wizards pick up as a depth big man. He won't be an All-Star, but he's one of those pesky players with a big body and active hands who always seems to get in the opponents' way. As a 3rd center behind Okafor and Seraphin, the Wiz could do a lot worse than Harrellson.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing. I remember seeing him at UK and subconsciously thinking it was Kanter, even though I knew Kanter was ineligible. Seemed like he was fairly efficient then, and a bear of a matchup. Works for me as a deep bench guy.