Playoff Push Trade: Wallace/Humphries for Prince/Varejao

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm not pretending anything, you're going over the top, not I.

Varejao is a good defensive player, Hump is a bad one.

Both are very good rebounders.

Hump has a little something of a 10 to 14 foot jumper, outside that he's a straight liability on offense.

Varejao can actually operate in the pick and roll as a roll man and finisher where he's proven efficient.

I'm not claiming Side Show as anything great and I don't literally hate Hump.

But Hump is not much of a starter and Anderson is at least a plus starter.

He also has no confusion as to what or who he is as a player.

The point is with this lineup, you need to put a guy at the 4 that helps Lopez realize his potential and improves our interior and overall team defense while using our mediocre to crap assets to do so.

Side Show is a realistic and reasonable target and get in all those aspects.

He's not high on my list overall and I despise his flopping style, he's definitely been injury prone and he's hard to root for, again because of his flopping, but he's a big improvement IMHO.

[Keith Van Horn]

I might want Varejao but not Prince.

Out of anyone on the roster, I think Hump and Brooks will be the most likely to be gone by the All Star game.

I would definitely prefer a defensive big over a guy like Hump.

[vincecarter4pres]

Out of anyone on the roster, I think Hump and Brooks will be the most likely to be gone by the All Star game.

I would definitely prefer a defensive big over a guy like Hump.

I'd like it to happen but I wouldn't bank on it.

Who will be available for them plus at most picks and Bogs?

[enetric]

I'm not pretending anything, you're going over the top, not I.

Varejao is a good defensive player, Hump is a bad one.

Both are very good rebounders.

Hump has a little something of a 10 to 14 foot jumper, outside that he's a straight liability on offense.

Varejao can actually operate in the pick and roll as a roll man and finisher where he's proven efficient.

I'm not claiming Side Show as anything great and I don't literally hate Hump.

But Hump is not much of a starter and Anderson is at least a plus starter.

He also has no confusion as to what or who he is as a player.

The point is with this lineup, you need to put a guy at the 4 that helps Lopez realize his potential and improves our interior and overall team defense while using our mediocre to crap assets to do so.

Side Show is a realistic and reasonable target and get in all those aspects.

He's not high on my list overall and I despise his flopping style, he's definitely been injury prone and he's hard to root for, again because of his flopping, but he's a big improvement IMHO.

Look, Hump is what he is...but he is absolutely NBA starter worthy so cant agree with you there. He has earned his spot these last two years while Varejao has stockpiled lolipops from his trips to the doctors office. Is Varejao at 100% better? Yes. And do I have a problem with your breakdown? Not really. But overall he is so marginally better than Hump and yes...like Hump...low double double role player who does nothing else at a high level. Bette defensive player yes. But this isnt Rodman and no its not a big enough improvement that I would be happy with anything more than a 1-1 swap. I wouldnt give up one single other player, pick or prospect of merit to so called upgrade for an injury prone guy who does more or less the same thing and sits 3 years older than Hump and then say awesome! We got Varejao! Yikes that like being excited you painted you room from off white to egg shell white. Simply not worth the time or money for such a minimal change.

[enetric]

One other thing...what's a PLUS starter? Are you saying Varejao is an above average player?

[vincecarter4pres]

The way I see it, Hump is a bad defender. As in mediocre to straight bad most nights.

He can man guard the post in certain very specific matchups and jumps and swats at anything in sight with above average athleticism and hustle so comes up with some highlight reel blocks.

But overall he is not a good defensive player, not even an average one and next to Brook Lopez, not even a sufficient one.

He has concrete feet, is low BBIQ on that end and is often slow and aloof with his rotations and is awful guarding the pick and roll, just useless on a full switch to the perimeter guy, let alone keeping up with a penetrater or recovering.

Picks up a lot of stupid fouls.

There is this myth out there, a straight lie in fact, that Hump is an actual good defensive player.

So it's not that Side Show is Rodman, or Big Ben or any elite defensive big, but he is a legit all around good defender.

So the upgrade is big when you go from bad to good.

[NyCeEvO]

The bottom line is that this trade should not go down. We get older and remain the same (at best) talent wise.

No deal.

[enetric]

VC I just dont see it. I dont think Varejao is so much more valuable than Hump on the defensive end to merit adding giving up other assets to get him. If he isnt Rodman or Wallace or someone who is a game changer...and he really doesnt have much of an offensive game...its one slightly better low double double guy over another. Its not a major upgrade because it wouldnt translate into a significant difference in wins.

And that's with pretending that I trust him to stay healthy and ignore a 3 year age difference.

[llemon]

The bottom line is that this trade should not go down. We get older and remain the same (at best) talent wise.

No deal.

Worry not. Don't even think Billy King is that stupid

[halfHAVOC]

honestly dont think this trade makes us better, i think we need wallace for rebounding and shotblocking with lopez being a girl and all, also humphries adds some real toughness which varejao doesnt.

[llemon]

Humph is a good straight-up defender.

Perhaps if Avery and Nets coaching staff develop some kind of defensive system and strategy, Humph will improve his team defense.