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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI "Re-Building" Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#101 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:05 pm

From the cutting room floor: To finish off on the Rob Hennigan front, the mystery man who traded Dwight Howard
and I covered a lot of ground that wasn't included in the story - http://sportsillustrat... - from our interview on Tuesday.

For those with interest, below is the 30-year-old Orlando Magic GM on a number of different fronts...

Hennigan on his notoriously calm demeanor...

"I grew up (in Worcester, Mass.) with three sisters, two grandmothers, my mom and my Dad. No brothers. When you're growing up in an environment where the women have you outnumbered, learning to stay calm basically became a survival tactic for me. Maybe that’s where it comes from."

On his addiction to efficiency that was part of his profile as a player at Emerson too (once scored 47 points while holding the ball for a combined three minutes in the entire game)...

"Efficiency is something that’s always been not just important, but something that has become natural. I think there’s a fine line between being too efficient and inefficient. I try to find that balance to make sure that the quality of your work or your opinion or whatever decision you’re making has the right mixture of both."

On his relative youth and whether it puts him at a disadvantage when working with his elder colleagues...

"I really believe that age is relative to experience, and experience is relative to environment you learn in and who you learn from. I’ve just been incredibly lucky to have learned from people like (Spurs GM) RC (Buford), George Felton, who is the director of college player personnel for the Spurs, (Hawks GM and former Spurs executive) Danny Ferry, (former Spurs director of scouting and current Phoenix GM) Lance Blanks, (Oklahoma City GM who hired Hennigan with the Spurs and Thunder) Sam (Presti), (Thunder assistant GM/legal & administration) Mike Winger, (New Orleans GM formerly with the Spurs) Dell Demps, (Utah GM formerly with the Spurs) Dennis Lindsey, (Thunder VP/assistant GM) Troy Weaver. All these guys have taught me so much."

From the cutting room floor, Part II: Hennigan discusses Dwight Howard trade talks, the comparisons to Presti etc.
On how he handled the task of making and taking trade calls during the Howard saga considering he'd never been the one leading that charge in his previous jobs...

"At Oklahoma City and San Antonio I was really lucky to be privy to a lot of varied discussions and negotiations that were taking place. And a lot of times, I was fortunate enough to have an active role in that process. I think those experiences and observations helped me quite a bit and provide the foundation of, ‘Ok, here’s how to operate, here’s how to conduct your business, here’s how to establish an action plan from which to operate.’ That just gave me a lot of confidence to pick up the phone and start doing what was best for the organization.
"Since this was really the first trade process we were going through, it’s hard to benchmark (whether it went as smoothly as he might have hoped). My mindset was to gather as much information as possible, process the information...and really just keep the best interests of the organization at the forefront of our purview. That was the mission statement for this process."

On leaving the old life behind where he'd be on the road - on average - 20 days out of the month for nine months out of the year...

"I think I will (miss the scouting life). I think I definitely will. When you get to travel that much, you learn a lot about yourself, about the world and different cultures. I have the best wife in the world (Marissa, who he met two weeks into his freshman year at Emerson and has been together 12 years).
"It was a 12-month scouting calendar, and I think one of the things that we had in Oklahoma City were people who were incredibly passionate about doing their jobs a certain way. Everybody fed off each other, and that started with Sam (Presti). He really galvanized that type of passion and effort that everybody lived by.
"I’ll forever be indebted to Sam for a lot of different reasons. He’s been an invaluable mentor, and more importantly he’s one of my best friends. I think the world of him as a person."

On the label - which isn't a bad one - of Hennigan being a Presti clone...

"We’re similar, we’re different, but I think we share a lot of the same core beliefs. Our personalities are different, but they complement each other very well. Sam is maybe a little more business like, I’m a little more laid back. But Sam has a terrific sense of humor. He’s hilarious, but a lot of people don’t see that side of him."
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#102 » by arsenal6106 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:11 pm

I hope he becomes our Theo Epstein(someone he admires) or Brian Cashman.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI "Re-Building" Edit 

Post#103 » by Driguez » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:11 pm

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Not sure if it is "too soon" to bring this up; but I would really like to see everyone's opinion on the Kobe/Shaq jr dynamic. Or the over/under on how quickly one of them will get ran out of town.

I sort of want to watch Lakers games just to see Kobe chastising Howard and how he responds. Howard will either learn to be humble real quick (which will turn him into a superstar faster imo) or this will be a clusterf#ck of epic proportions real soon!

They may win the chip this next season; but if not the next off season for the Lakers may be similar to our last one.
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Between Kobe, Gasol, Nash, Dwight will be somewhere between a 3rd and 4th scoring option. And he was crying about not getting enough touches here? :lol:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#104 » by Bensational » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:21 pm

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Not sure if it is "too soon" to bring this up; but I would really like to see everyone's opinion on the Kobe/Shaq jr dynamic. Or the over/under on how quickly one of them will get ran out of town.

I sort of want to watch Lakers games just to see Kobe chastising Howard and how he responds. Howard will either learn to be humble real quick (which will turn him into a superstar faster imo) or this will be a clusterf#ck of epic proportions real soon!

They may win the chip this next season; but if not the next off season for the Lakers may be similar to our last one.
smh


that team just has to hold it together for 2 more seasons, and they'll likely win back to back 'ships. after that they'll have a only Dwight on the books in the summer of 2014, and they'll build the team around him.

Dwight will swallow his pride and do what needs to be done in the short term. he will be given assurances from Lakers management that once Kobe's contract is up, the team will be his. If Kobe doesn't gracefully hand over the spotlight, then the Lakers will let him leave via FA. they're not stupid, they're not going to tie their legacy on an old SG instead of the best big man in the game who still has years to go.

people expect animosity between Dwight and Kobe, but I think people will be shocked at how much Nash will influence how that team gels. Nash will be a solid mediator for the two of them, translating Kobe's barking into soft puppy pats for Dwight. oh, not to mention all the easy buckets Nash will be getting him - and that's bound to make any player happier to do what needs to be done.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#105 » by MoMM » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:28 pm

Bensational wrote:that team just has to hold it together for 2 more seasons, and they'll likely win back to back 'ships. after that they'll have a only Dwight on the books in the summer of 2014, and they'll build the team around him.

If D12 extends, only Nash and D12 will have contracts in 2014 offseason, they could sign two of LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Melo, Granger, Deng, Amare, Zach Randolph and their own FAs (Kobe and Gasol). That's scary.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#106 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:34 pm

MoMM wrote:
Bensational wrote:that team just has to hold it together for 2 more seasons, and they'll likely win back to back 'ships. after that they'll have a only Dwight on the books in the summer of 2014, and they'll build the team around him.

If D12 extends, only Nash and D12 will have contracts in 2014 offseason, they could sign two of LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Melo, Granger, Deng, Amare, Zach Randolph and their own FAs (Kobe and Gasol). That's scary.

won't Kobe & Gasol have HUGE cap holds that'll prevent them signing other max FAs?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#107 » by ChildishGambino » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:36 pm

MoMM wrote:
Bensational wrote:that team just has to hold it together for 2 more seasons, and they'll likely win back to back 'ships. after that they'll have a only Dwight on the books in the summer of 2014, and they'll build the team around him.

If D12 extends, only Nash and D12 will have contracts in 2014 offseason, they could sign two of LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Melo, Granger, Deng, Amare, Zach Randolph and their own FAs (Kobe and Gasol). That's scary.

by that time the CBA would be in what year 3 or 4 right? what kind of restrictions kick in then?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#108 » by meatwad4343 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:37 pm

ChildishGambino wrote:
MoMM wrote:
Bensational wrote:that team just has to hold it together for 2 more seasons, and they'll likely win back to back 'ships. after that they'll have a only Dwight on the books in the summer of 2014, and they'll build the team around him.

If D12 extends, only Nash and D12 will have contracts in 2014 offseason, they could sign two of LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Melo, Granger, Deng, Amare, Zach Randolph and their own FAs (Kobe and Gasol). That's scary.

by that time the CBA would be in what year 3 or 4 right? what kind of restrictions kick in then?


nash
kobe
lebron
bosh
dwight

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#109 » by MoMM » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:37 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
MoMM wrote:
Bensational wrote:that team just has to hold it together for 2 more seasons, and they'll likely win back to back 'ships. after that they'll have a only Dwight on the books in the summer of 2014, and they'll build the team around him.

If D12 extends, only Nash and D12 will have contracts in 2014 offseason, they could sign two of LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Melo, Granger, Deng, Amare, Zach Randolph and their own FAs (Kobe and Gasol). That's scary.

won't Kobe & Gasol have HUGE cap holds that'll prevent them signing other max FAs?

If they renounce them there would be no problem, but they could re-sign them in the 1st second for cheap, so the cap hold would count anymore and then offer contracts to other big names. Imagine, re-sign Gasol and Kobe for 5M a year and then sign LeBron to be their SF.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#110 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:37 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Check out my friends official trailer for his first full length and it is a Horror movie they are working on. Room 236 is the name and some friends are making cameos. Anyways, my boy Armin is the director. He has done many music videos and movie shorts. They should rap up filming sometime in the next 60 days as they are taking a break while waiting funds to finish up. First movie with official actors. All Orlando also representing Longwood.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#111 » by Truth24 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:39 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:I don't like noels game that much. There's just no dimension a shot blocker......ok.
Wiggins please.

I'm not a huge Noel fan yet either. Right now, I'm on the Shabazz bandwagon. A lot can change though throughout the college basketball season. No one knew Thomas Robinson would compete for a lottery selection before last year started. We shall see. Perhaps we should get a draft prospect watch thread going when college basketball starts. I assume a good chunk of us will be paying more attention to some of those games.


I'm also on the Shabazz bandwagon but my favorite two prospects right now have to be Anthony Bennett and Tony Mitchell. I agree though this might be the most exciting college basketball season for Magic fans because we can scout for our potential. I also love that our scouting department is ten times better then it has been in the past 8 years.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#112 » by MoMM » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:40 pm

meatwad4343 wrote:
ChildishGambino wrote:
MoMM wrote:If D12 extends, only Nash and D12 will have contracts in 2014 offseason, they could sign two of LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Melo, Granger, Deng, Amare, Zach Randolph and their own FAs (Kobe and Gasol). That's scary.

by that time the CBA would be in what year 3 or 4 right? what kind of restrictions kick in then?


nash
kobe
lebron
bosh
dwight

:lol:

Bosh, Melo and Wade have player option at 20M per year, i dont see they leaving Miami/NY because they wouldnt earn close to it anymore in other teams, but always there is a possibility. LeBron is the real deal in that summer.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#113 » by MagicStarwipe » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:49 pm

Regarding the Dwight gelling with Kobe/Lakers talk. I think people are forgetting how good Dwight is. He's so good that I don't really see any problems popping up. His defense alone is going to transfer that team into something very scary. Unless he comes in with the attitude of wanting to be Hakeem Jnr and shoot 10 jumpers a game and average 30 points, I think he'll be fine.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#114 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:02 pm

If D12 extends, only Nash and D12 will have contracts in 2014 offseason, they could sign two of LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Melo, Granger, Deng, Amare, Zach Randolph and their own FAs (Kobe and Gasol). That's scary.[/quote]
won't Kobe & Gasol have HUGE cap holds that'll prevent them signing other max FAs?[/quote]
If they renounce them there would be no problem, but they could re-sign them in the 1st second for cheap, so the cap hold would count anymore and then offer contracts to other big names. Imagine, re-sign Gasol and Kobe for 5M a year and then sign LeBron to be their SF.[/quote]


Good stuff from both Ben and MoMM I forgot about Nash being a buffer. If he can keep them from each others throats they will be the team to beat imo. I also didn't realize that they were set up to be able to fully reload 2 years from now either. They always seem to be "winning" when it comes down to it. I'll leave the cries of league collusion to others. :wink:


I always thought that Dwight would keep Bron from a chip because they would have to eventually meet in the playoffs. Well because of Howard's "back issue" that theory is out the window. Ironically it's been replaced with "Can James keep Howard from the chip"

Strange days my friends...

Speaking of strange days; I have never seen someone on this board become so polarizing so quickly to this board as BMP!

I still got love for ya pimp; but seriously I feel like I might be the only one at this point. I get that he has been ranting about the putridness of this trade when the rest of the board have seemed to heave a collective sigh of relief that this fiasco is over (at least for us).

Still, all the foes list/banning stuff for the pimp? Maybe because I skipped most of the last thread I missed A LOT of something but need I remind everyone of Adonis? Or even Maginno? :lol: There are several others that have been banned that were way more deserving than BMP. Just my 2 cents.

On that subject; what did Mags do to get banned? I thought he had turned some kind of corner where his posts weren't so baiting and had merit; (Keep in mind this was around the time Adonis was posting; and I straight up disliked that fool) then BAM! He's gone.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#115 » by KingRobb02 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:15 pm

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KingRobb02 wrote:Even if everyone agrees that the pieces are better. There has to be a factor that goes into SVG vs JV and the fact that guys were playing hard vs full on tank mode. I know Baby, Jameer, and JJ will probably play hard, but are you going to try to tell me that Hedo Turkoglu has something to play for when he knows he won't be on the team in a year?


He has to impress some other team then does he not?

No. Has Kwame Brown ever impressed anyone? He keeps finding a team. Worst case scenario, Turk goes to Europe and plays for 5 more years. He's already got his huge payday, and even if we cut him, we will still be paying him 6 million. From the pictures we saw this week, we know he can get into shape and go hit some jumpers for a private workout. Honestly, I see him going on to do a Peja-like last run with a team to win a title.
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Post#116 » by The Effect » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:38 pm

ChildishGambino wrote:NBA.com Player metrics.....pretty cool huh? http://www.nba.com/draft/2012/prospects ... -harkless/

Damn, hes 6'9?? I always thought he was like 6'7 or so

Considering hes only 19, its not unconceivable for him to get to 6'10 and still play SF, which would be pretty impressive and help him match up with guys like durant
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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI "Re-Building" Edition) 

Post#117 » by MagicTownBaller » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:45 pm

The Effect wrote:
ChildishGambino wrote:NBA.com Player metrics.....pretty cool huh? http://www.nba.com/draft/2012/prospects ... -harkless/

Damn, hes 6'9?? I always thought he was like 6'7 or so

Considering hes only 19, its not unconceivable for him to get to 6'10 and still play SF, which would be pretty impressive and help him match up with guys like durant

I actually thought he was 6'5" at first, I was dead wrong.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#118 » by thelead » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:56 pm

The Effect wrote:
ChildishGambino wrote:NBA.com Player metrics.....pretty cool huh? http://www.nba.com/draft/2012/prospects ... -harkless/

Damn, hes 6'9?? I always thought he was like 6'7 or so

Considering hes only 19, its not unconceivable for him to get to 6'10 and still play SF, which would be pretty impressive and help him match up with guys like durant


I just hope he doesn't turn into Earl Clark...
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#119 » by OrlandO » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:57 pm

The Effect wrote:
ChildishGambino wrote:NBA.com Player metrics.....pretty cool huh? http://www.nba.com/draft/2012/prospects ... -harkless/

Damn, hes 6'9?? I always thought he was like 6'7 or so

Considering hes only 19, its not unconceivable for him to get to 6'10 and still play SF, which would be pretty impressive and help him match up with guys like durant

A sixers fan already said his growth plates aren't closed yet and he's projected to hit 6'10 before he stops growing...
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLVI 

Post#120 » by TDJacksonville » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:02 am

thelead wrote:
The Effect wrote:
ChildishGambino wrote:NBA.com Player metrics.....pretty cool huh? http://www.nba.com/draft/2012/prospects ... -harkless/

Damn, hes 6'9?? I always thought he was like 6'7 or so

Considering hes only 19, its not unconceivable for him to get to 6'10 and still play SF, which would be pretty impressive and help him match up with guys like durant


I just hope he doesn't turn into Earl Clark...

i hope he moves to SG so we could have Wiggins be our durant in 2014 :wink:
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