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Hotshot Hower wrote:OrlandoMajinBuu wrote:Big Baby on Dwight deal
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8268730
I love this guy.
Goes beyond who he is as a player.
His character, leadership and heart speaks volumes.
Noonskadoodle wrote:As for Trey Burke from Michigan he is actually my number 1 point guard in this draft & that is coming from an OSU fan as well haha.
This kid can flat out ball at the PG position. He will be a lock for a lottery pick.
He reminds me of CP3 so much its ridiculous. He honestly has every tool you could possibly want from your PG. & as a Freshman at Michigan he did not shy away from taking big shots, he wants the ball in his hands in big time situations & he has amazing court vision.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX_DASxVSxs&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]
MitchellUK wrote:
As Sham said in their thread, this is basically going to happen. Their ownership is notoriously responsible, financially, and given that they aren't likely to contend this year with Rose missing most of the season, they will be looking at ways to move one or more of their less desirable deals. Don't be surprised if some sort of deal goes down where we use our TPE to take Rip Hamilton and some sort of first rounder off them in exchange for some sort of uber-protected future second.
RookieStar wrote:MitchellUK wrote:
As Sham said in their thread, this is basically going to happen. Their ownership is notoriously responsible, financially, and given that they aren't likely to contend this year with Rose missing most of the season, they will be looking at ways to move one or more of their less desirable deals. Don't be surprised if some sort of deal goes down where we use our TPE to take Rip Hamilton and some sort of first rounder off them in exchange for some sort of uber-protected future second.
Thing is.. most of them expect to get JJ and Vucevic and expect us to absorb boozer as well ( aside from the rip tpe and etc deal )
So.. i dunno about you but me don't like
The Effect wrote:Noonskadoodle wrote:As for Trey Burke from Michigan he is actually my number 1 point guard in this draft & that is coming from an OSU fan as well haha.
This kid can flat out ball at the PG position. He will be a lock for a lottery pick.
He reminds me of CP3 so much its ridiculous. He honestly has every tool you could possibly want from your PG. & as a Freshman at Michigan he did not shy away from taking big shots, he wants the ball in his hands in big time situations & he has amazing court vision.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX_DASxVSxs&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]
Big time michigan fan, always have been, BUT im just sick of these 5'11/6'0 PGs
I want one of these 6'3ish types that are taking over the nba
TDJacksonville wrote:Noonskadoodle wrote:ChildishGambino wrote:How about a sticky thread for the prospects for this upcoming draft? call it prospect watch.....we could track all the top prospects in college and or overseas and rate them maybe.....kind of like our own big board of prospects...we could do it alongside the upcoming Nba season because this time college scouting might be just as important......what do you think?
Im all for that.
bring it and make it a Stickied thread so it dont get lost
Noonskadoodle wrote:Lorenzo Brown > Ian Miller
Zo is a 6 foot 5 PG who is a very good scorer, but also a great passer. He was a HUGE reason that NC State made it to the Sweet 16 last season.
He will be a junior this year. Keep your eyes open for him.
MoMM wrote:I like it too, then we could send this thread to Rob and he hires us as the new Magic Internet Scout Group
tiderulz wrote:Noonskadoodle wrote:Lorenzo Brown > Ian Miller
Zo is a 6 foot 5 PG who is a very good scorer, but also a great passer. He was a HUGE reason that NC State made it to the Sweet 16 last season.
He will be a junior this year. Keep your eyes open for him.
bad thing is, Mark Gottfried doesnt develop his players very well
Two days after reports first surfaced that he intended to accept a position in the Orlando Magic's scouting department, Eastern Michigan coach Rob Murphy apparently has experienced a change of heart.
Murphy announced Thursday night he will remain at Eastern Michigan, a decision likely influenced by the lucrative buyout he'd have been required to pay the school if he left. The $210,000 it reportedly would have cost Murphy to break his contract is the equivalent to one year of his salary.
MitchellUK wrote:I think most of them are mistaken. This deal would be 100% financial for the Bulls - they're over the lux-tax threshold as it is ($72.5m for 12 players. You can add $800k or so for Vladimir Radmanovic, who they have signed but for whom I can't find the exact figure, but since he's a veteran and on a min contract he'll only count 800k towards the cap numbers. That's 13 players, but with Rose out for most of the year, they almost certainly have to sign at least one more to see them through until he returns).
Say they end up at a total of $74.5m in salary for the year, that's $4.2m over the tax threshold. So look at it this way:
Rip Hamilton will cost them $5m in salary, plus $4.2m in dollar for dollar tax, plus $1m to waive him next summer when his contract becomes unguaranteed - $10.2m
If they send him to us, using our TPE, their salary drops down to $69.5m, they don't have to pay any tax (and will be eligible for some of the cash that is redistributed from the teams that did pay tax). They will also be just about able to replace him with a veteran on a minimum deal without going back up over the tax threshold (I think some of them have mentioned Tracy McGrady as someone they have been linked with or want). That scenario costs them $800k or so and leaves them eligible for a tax sharing payment.
If they take salary back from us - even if it's just the $1.6m Vucevic is owed - they stay over the tax threshold of $70.31m and will end up paying tax rather than receiving a payment from the pot. If they take JJ they actually end up in a worse situation because he's owed roughly $1m more than Hamilton.
Some of the posters over there don't seem to be grasping the logic of the hypothetical trade - we would be taking an underperforming player off their hands and paying his $5m salary for the year, also saving them the tax costs of keeping that player on their books. This isn't a talent swap, it's a salary dump, and in order for us to take Richard Hamilton from them and pay his salary, they would have to send us some sort of compensation - in this case, given the direction Rob Hennigan seems to be heading, one would assume that compensation would be a first rounder.
BrianEvansfor3 wrote:210k is a lot to break a contract? Orlando wouldn't help with this? I'm disappointed.
BrianEvansfor3 wrote:210k is a lot to break a contract? Orlando wouldn't help with this? I'm disappointed.
Edrock wrote:MitchellUK wrote:I think most of them are mistaken. This deal would be 100% financial for the Bulls - they're over the lux-tax threshold as it is ($72.5m for 12 players. You can add $800k or so for Vladimir Radmanovic, who they have signed but for whom I can't find the exact figure, but since he's a veteran and on a min contract he'll only count 800k towards the cap numbers. That's 13 players, but with Rose out for most of the year, they almost certainly have to sign at least one more to see them through until he returns).
Say they end up at a total of $74.5m in salary for the year, that's $4.2m over the tax threshold. So look at it this way:
Rip Hamilton will cost them $5m in salary, plus $4.2m in dollar for dollar tax, plus $1m to waive him next summer when his contract becomes unguaranteed - $10.2m
If they send him to us, using our TPE, their salary drops down to $69.5m, they don't have to pay any tax (and will be eligible for some of the cash that is redistributed from the teams that did pay tax). They will also be just about able to replace him with a veteran on a minimum deal without going back up over the tax threshold (I think some of them have mentioned Tracy McGrady as someone they have been linked with or want). That scenario costs them $800k or so and leaves them eligible for a tax sharing payment.
If they take salary back from us - even if it's just the $1.6m Vucevic is owed - they stay over the tax threshold of $70.31m and will end up paying tax rather than receiving a payment from the pot. If they take JJ they actually end up in a worse situation because he's owed roughly $1m more than Hamilton.
Some of the posters over there don't seem to be grasping the logic of the hypothetical trade - we would be taking an underperforming player off their hands and paying his $5m salary for the year, also saving them the tax costs of keeping that player on their books. This isn't a talent swap, it's a salary dump, and in order for us to take Richard Hamilton from them and pay his salary, they would have to send us some sort of compensation - in this case, given the direction Rob Hennigan seems to be heading, one would assume that compensation would be a first rounder.
Nice breakdown... So what are the Bulls willing to give up for the cap relief? Would we be looking for someone like Teague, or a 1st rounder? Perhaps the big euro center (who's name currently escapes me) that they're stashing. The TPE certainly seems like a nice asset to have.
Other than CHI, what other teams have player to move and assets to give up?
