Orlando Magic Willing To Absorb Deals For Picks (Rip?)

[Michael Jackson]

Also, if we ever expect this team to consider paying the tax, avoiding the 4-of-5 year penalty is essential. And with the Rose injury, there is no reason whatsoever to use 2012-2013 toward one of those years. None.

I never said why would you wanna trade Rip. I was wondering why you were hoping that it'd cost a pick to do it. Rip+Cash at the deadline would basically amount to a team paying Rip about 2 million bucks spread out over 2 seasons. I would HOPE that he plays good enough to make it a flat deal-- Minnesota might be interested for example (depending on the amount of knees Brandon Roy still owns comes February).

All u would be able to get back for rip would be a washing machine like in semi pro...

But let's be realistic, the bulls are gonna tank this year, thats the only excuse for signin vlad and nate robinson

The main question is what postion do they draft with they're lottery pick, ans how do they resign taj??

Because Scal and JL3 were crucial pieces and that is who those two replaced? If they replaced Rose and boozer with those pieces I would agree clearly tanking. I have never seen people more obsessed with players at the end of the rotation.

[thunderspirit]

Also, if we ever expect this team to consider paying the tax, avoiding the 4-of-5 year penalty is essential. And with the Rose injury, there is no reason whatsoever to use 2012-2013 toward one of those years. None.

I never said why would you wanna trade Rip. I was wondering why you were hoping that it'd cost a pick to do it. Rip+Cash at the deadline would basically amount to a team paying Rip about 2 million bucks spread out over 2 seasons. I would HOPE that he plays good enough to make it a flat deal-- Minnesota might be interested for example (depending on the amount of knees Brandon Roy still owns comes February).

Well, to be honest, I presumed Sham was saying a trade of Hamilton was basically going to happen, and I was therefore saying I certainly hope so. As for such a deal costing a pick...I wouldn't say that I'd hope that would be the case, so I can understand your confusion if that's where you thought I went with it.

On the other hand, it'd probably be a heck of a lot better to trade it than to draft another freshman who's just going to sit on the bench for two or three seasons, so...

[Jvaughn]

Can you guys imagine the tell all when gar or pax leaves the team? Reinsdorfs follies will be totally exposed.

Nah, I wish. Standard non disclosure agreement.

[Wingy]

We're not getting anything of substance back for Rip unless he has a renaissance to end all renaissances between now and Feb.

This has awesome thread written all over it. People photo shopping Rip into famous renaissance paintings and then people using them in their avy's to pray for it to happen.

[BrooklynBulls]

Well, to be honest, I presumed Sham was saying a trade of Hamilton was basically going to happen, and I was therefore saying I certainly hope so. As for such a deal costing a pick...I wouldn't say that I'd hope that would be the case, so I can understand your confusion if that's where you thought I went with it.

On the other hand, it'd probably be a heck of a lot better to trade it than to draft another freshman who's just going to sit on the bench for two or three seasons, so...

I'd prefer, if it can't cost nothing, then it cost Teague. I really don't care who's behind Rose. Which just makes it funnier that we paid Kirk Hinrich 4 million for the role.

[McBulls]

We're not getting anything of substance back for Rip unless he has a renaissance to end all renaissances between now and Feb.

This has awesome thread written all over it. People photo shopping Rip into famous renaissance paintings and then people using them in their avy's to pray for it to happen.

Well, just imagine for a moment how you would feel if RIP became his old self for the first two or three months of the season. After all, he has had a very nice rest and plenty of time to get himself in shape for one final run...

January comes, RIP is averaging 20+ ppg, and is leading the improbable Bulls to a winning record. This must be Reinsdorf's worst nightmare, since he will have to command his front office minions to trade RIP away for nothing in return.

Even the most brainwashed fan would see that the emperor has no clothes because he is a cheapskate who doesn't give a farthing about his basketball team.

No, JR will not wait long to dump RIP.

[organix85]

I'll give them a future lottery protected 1st to absorb Boozer...

[kyrv]

Because Scal and JL3 were crucial pieces and that is who those two replaced? If they replaced Rose and boozer with those pieces I would agree clearly tanking. I have never seen people more obsessed with players at the end of the rotation.

Especially players that for *most posters* were either bad or meh.

Asik was split with lots of discussion, a lot of apathy on Korver, most again for Watson either meh or wanted him gone (not meaning they wanted Kirk of course), and well on Butler draft night that was it for Brewer.

[StephenAA]

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My understanding of what Orlando wants to do is three-fold:
1. Tank
2. Tank Bad
3. Tank this year!!

Hence, why in the world would they want to keep Afflalo. He will give them 110% every night and win some games for them.

RIP and filler for Afflalo.
Filler - Orlando is still looking for picks! Would you give them the Bobcats pick? Would the Bulls?
I believe most people on this board rate Afflalo higher than Mayo, Lee, Beli, etc.
Granted, Afflalo is not your "star" SG, but who can we realistically get that is ??

Also, if my Orlando understanding is correct, no way they take Boozer!!

AA

[Michael Jackson]

Because Scal and JL3 were crucial pieces and that is who those two replaced? If they replaced Rose and boozer with those pieces I would agree clearly tanking. I have never seen people more obsessed with players at the end of the rotation.

Especially players that for *most posters* were either bad or meh.

Asik was split with lots of discussion, a lot of apathy on Korver, most again for Watson either meh or wanted him gone (not meaning they wanted Kirk of course), and well on Butler draft night that was it for Brewer.

Oh but we didn't get Mayo who would have made us instant contenders. Funny how things work out. LA missed on their desire of CP3 but the following year get Nash and D12. The Knicks got their guy but are stuck in limbo.

[thunderspirit]

Well, to be honest, I presumed Sham was saying a trade of Hamilton was basically going to happen, and I was therefore saying I certainly hope so. As for such a deal costing a pick...I wouldn't say that I'd hope that would be the case, so I can understand your confusion if that's where you thought I went with it.

On the other hand, it'd probably be a heck of a lot better to trade it than to draft another freshman who's just going to sit on the bench for two or three seasons, so...

I'd prefer, if it can't cost nothing, then it cost Teague. I really don't care who's behind Rose. Which just makes it funnier that we paid Kirk Hinrich 4 million for the role.

JMSO, I'm not a Teague fan -- particularly with this team -- so I'd probably be just fine with that.

[Three34]

We're not getting anything of substance back for Rip unless he has a renaissance to end all renaissances between now and Feb.

This has awesome thread written all over it. People photo shopping Rip into famous renaissance paintings and then people using them in their avy's to pray for it to happen.

Well, just imagine for a moment how you would feel if RIP became his old self for the first two or three months of the season. After all, he has had a very nice rest and plenty of time to get himself in shape for one final run...

January comes, RIP is averaging 20+ ppg, and is leading the improbable Bulls to a winning record. This must be Reinsdorf's worst nightmare, since he will have to command his front office minions to trade RIP away for nothing in return.

Even the most brainwashed fan would see that the emperor has no clothes because he is a cheapskate who doesn't give a farthing about his basketball team.

No, JR will not wait long to dump RIP.

Even then, he'll likely be traded. They'll just get a more favourable deal.

[kyrv]

This has awesome thread written all over it. People photo shopping Rip into famous renaissance paintings and then people using them in their avy's to pray for it to happen.

Well, just imagine for a moment how you would feel if RIP became his old self for the first two or three months of the season. After all, he has had a very nice rest and plenty of time to get himself in shape for one final run...

January comes, RIP is averaging 20+ ppg, and is leading the improbable Bulls to a winning record. This must be Reinsdorf's worst nightmare, since he will have to command his front office minions to trade RIP away for nothing in return.

Even the most brainwashed fan would see that the emperor has no clothes because he is a cheapskate who doesn't give a farthing about his basketball team.

No, JR will not wait long to dump RIP.

Even then, he'll likely be traded. They'll just get a more favourable deal.[/quote]

I don't think Rip will re-invent himself, but if he's playing pretty well in January, and Rose coming back maybe in a month or so - do you think they would still trade him?

[Red Larrivee]

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My understanding of what Orlando wants to do is three-fold:
1. Tank
2. Tank Bad
3. Tank this year!!

Hence, why in the world would they want to keep Afflalo. He will give them 110% every night and win some games for them.

RIP and filler for Afflalo.
Filler - Orlando is still looking for picks! Would you give them the Bobcats pick? Would the Bulls?
I believe most people on this board rate Afflalo higher than Mayo, Lee, Beli, etc.
Granted, Afflalo is not your "star" SG, but who can we realistically get that is ??

Also, if my Orlando understanding is correct, no way they take Boozer!!

AA

Rip, Teague, Bobcats pick and Cash for Afflalo seems like a fair deal. Saves Orlando money long-term, gives them a low-cost, high-upside rookie in Teague and a draft pick that could be valuable in the future when they might be at a better point. I have no idea what Orlando would want for Afflalo though. He's under contract through 2016 and plays well on both sides of the ball, and is a decent asset.

On the other side of the coin though, I'm not sure how willing the Bulls are right now to give up that Bobcats pick. They might wait to see if they can pry a better player using it first.

[MrSparkle]

Come on... Afflalo's not gonna win them any games. He'll be a good veteran, 3rd option on the team AFTER back-to-back lotto years... but until then, he's gonna score 20 ppg and lose a LOT. And I think that's exactly what Orlando wants... Shabazz or Noel. The team has no established coach, and outside of AA and Nelson (who I always thought was an inadequate PG outside of his streaky but nice scoring abilities), no competent NBA starters. They're set up for losing, and showing promise by '14/15.

[kingkirk]

Because Scal and JL3 were crucial pieces and that is who those two replaced? If they replaced Rose and boozer with those pieces I would agree clearly tanking. I have never seen people more obsessed with players at the end of the rotation.

Especially players that for *most posters* were either bad or meh.

Asik was split with lots of discussion, a lot of apathy on Korver, most again for Watson either meh or wanted him gone (not meaning they wanted Kirk of course), and well on Butler draft night that was it for Brewer.

Oh but we didn't get Mayo who would have made us instant contenders. Funny how things work out. LA missed on their desire of CP3 but the following year get Nash and D12. The Knicks got their guy but are stuck in limbo.

Its a good point you raise.

If we land Mayo, were back to being a contender. If we land Kirk, we should tank.

Kirk may have lost some, but that much?

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Oh but we didn't get Mayo who would have made us instant contenders. Funny how things work out. LA missed on their desire of CP3 but the following year get Nash and D12. The Knicks got their guy but are stuck in limbo.

Neither the Lakers nor the Knicks lost their Franchise player to a gruesome ACL injury. An injury that threatens to hobble their Franchise player this entire upcoming season & possibly ( hopefully not) his entire career.

OJ Mayo wanted & received a contract that allows him to opt out after one season. He will, more than likely, be a free-agent again next offseason. On top of that, when did OJ Mayo become a sought after top 10 NBA player that so many on this board portray him to be?

I believe the Bulls (correctly) passed on Mayo because of two reasons:

1. He wanted essentially a two year deal (with power to opt out after a year) that he controlled, not the team.

2. The Bulls have their eyes set on bigger & better things.

[FORMIDABULLS]

Oh but we didn't get Mayo who would have made us instant contenders. Funny how things work out. LA missed on their desire of CP3 but the following year get Nash and D12. The Knicks got their guy but are stuck in limbo.

Neither the Lakers nor the Knicks lost their Franchise player to a gruesome ACL injury. An injury that threatens to hobble their Franchise player this entire upcoming season & possibly ( hopefully not) his entire career.

Rewind back 2010/2011.

Brandon Roy was playing normal for a couple of months into the season but after a couple of poor games, news came out that he will be out indefinitely and his career could be over due to a lack of cartilage in his knees. Roy went for arthroscopic surgery in Jan and was back playing in Feb in a reserved role.

Roy played inconsistently with a couple of hot games in between. He was largely a shadow of the player he once was but Aldridge and Matthew stepped up and kept the team in the running for the playoffs. Portland made a move before the deadline sending some scrubs over to the Bobcats in a trade for Gerald Wallace and together the Trailblazers got into the playoffs again.

The Trailblazers gave the Mavs a fight in the first round including the emotional game 4 where Roy scored 18 pts in the 4th quater including a couple of clutch plays to comeback from a huge deficit to win the game and tie the series. Eventually Portland bow out of the first round as they have no answer for Dirk Nowitzki.

According to Sham's chart, Portland paid a little luxury tax that season. Gerald Wallace started the 2012 season with Portland but in another deadline move was traded to the Nets for Mehmet Okur, Shawne Williams and Net's top 3 protected lottery pick. The Nets tanked to keep their pick but the balls did not agree. Blazers got the 6th pick in the 2012 draft and they select Damian Lillard which many believe could become their future franchise point guard.

Many posters have been saying this... Rose's health should not have stopped us from upgrading the roster and it doesn't look like we want to tank either. What Portland have done is a good example of not waiting but going out to make solid moves for the better of the team regardless of what happens. With the young talents they have accumulated there is light at the end of the tunnel and they could be right back in the mix if Lillard and Leonard turns out to be studs.

[kingkirk]

1. The Roy situation is not even comparable to that of Derrick Rose
2. Portland, will not make the playoffs next season as they're in 'rebuild' mode

[FORMIDABULLS]

Now I spend some time to gather that info and typed it out, care to elaborate on that point 1?