Orlando Magic Willing To Absorb Deals For Picks (Rip?)

[kingkirk]

Roy had injury concerns coming into the draft.

It was probable that he would get injured and never be able to play out a 10+ year career at that level.

Rose has not had those type of injury concerns prior to the ACL.

Not only that, but Portland traded away players for picks, which i think they've made some good selections, but they will be worse in the short term for it.

[FORMIDABULLS]

No it's not at all about Roy or Rose, you don't seem to have gotten my points.

What I have given is an example of the kind of mentality that some of us wish to see in our FO. Despite Roy's injury issues and having just signed a new contract in 2009, not only did the Blazers not try to cut salary when they were over the LT limit, they acquired some in the Wallace trade to boost their squad. Granted they were on pace to clinch a playoff berth and there was no repeater tax then but hell the Blazers are not a big market team, the Bulls are.

Like you said they probably knew Roy was a goner while Rose has a good chance to make it back without loosing a step and yet here we are miring in our self-imposed salary cap not doing anything constructive while we scrimp here and there waiting for 2014. If Rose is permanently affected by the ACL tear, Chicago is screwed but that should not be the excuse for the FO to adopt a wait and see attitude. If I'm Derrick Rose, I would be feeling a little down cause the FO have no faith in me. Luckily for us all I'm not.

[DRoseNation1]

For some reason, I don't see the Bulls amnestying Boozer.

So I would do Boozer+two 2nd round+'14 draft 1st round+money or Boozer+two first round ('14 and '16 lottery protected) to ORL or Boozer+Teague+'14 1st pick+money for any takers.
Then whoever lands Boozer buys him out.

After that, Deng gets his surgery and tanking is complete.

[Leslie Forman]

I believe the Bulls (correctly) passed on Mayo because of two reasons:

1. He wanted essentially a two year deal (with power to opt out after a year) that he controlled, not the team.

2. The Bulls have their eyes set on bigger & better things.

Kirk Hinrich, 2/$8million
O.J. Mayo, 2/$8.5million

Definitely the move of a team thinking big.

[DerrickNoah]

^^^we need a combo guard now. OJ can not start at PG. After their 2 year contracts, OJ will demand more money while Kirk will surely stay for less allowing us to "think bigger & better" at SG

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I believe the Bulls (correctly) passed on Mayo because of two reasons:

1. He wanted essentially a two year deal (with power to opt out after a year) that he controlled, not the team.

2. The Bulls have their eyes set on bigger & better things.

Kirk Hinrich, 2/$8million
O.J. Mayo, 2/$8.5million

Definitely the move of a team thinking big.

I'm basically in agreement with what D-N said above this post.

OJ Mayo will be looking for more than $4 million after this season, which is why he has a player option after this upcoming season. I fully expect him to pad his stats while auditioning for a big money contract after this upcoming season. I'd be very surprised if he plays a ton of team ball, which is why I feel the Bulls correctly passed on him.

[kingkirk]

I believe the Bulls (correctly) passed on Mayo because of two reasons:

1. He wanted essentially a two year deal (with power to opt out after a year) that he controlled, not the team.

2. The Bulls have their eyes set on bigger & better things.

Kirk Hinrich, 2/$8million
O.J. Mayo, 2/$8.5million

Definitely the move of a team thinking big.

OJ wanted the Dallas deal because of that second year option.

Its Jamal Crawford all over again. He will look to hit the FA market again next year to make the coin.

[Leslie Forman]

I'm sorry but the notion that you shouldn't go for a young player because he might outplay his contract and thus leave for more money sounds utterly stupid to me.

That's not big picture thinking, that's small-time thinking. That's how you end up locked into paying a 31-year-old, 9PER player $4million a year for two years. That's like a wife staying with some horrible ugly husband who treats her like crap because she knows he'll stick around whereas a better guy with more options might not stick around.

[kingkirk]

I'm sorry but the notion that you shouldn't go for a young player because he might outplay his contract and thus leave for more money sounds utterly stupid to me.

That's not big picture thinking, that's small-time thinking. That's how you end up locked into paying a 31-year-old, 9PER player $4million a year for two years. That's like a wife staying with some horrible ugly husband who treats her like crap because she knows he'll stick around whereas a better guy with more options might not stick around.

We did go after Mayo, my point is that he wanted the Dallas deal because:

1. He would get significant playing being a second option
2. His potential play could earn him a bigger contract the following year, when he can hit the market again.

[boogydown]

Hinrich was an awful move and I don't think Belinelli is a good option long term for us. Had the Bulls picked up Lee or Mayo and Delonte West to play PG, picked up a 2nd Round Pick I think this offseason would have looked a lot better.

West / Robinson / Teague
Hamilton / Mayo / Lamb or Barton
Deng / Butler / Vlad

Would have "saved" the Bulls some cash as well, better long term.

[boogydown]

I'm sure the Bulls were trying to move Rip to land Mayo or Lee.

[kingkirk]

Hinrich was an awful move and I don't think Belinelli is a good option long term for us. Had the Bulls picked up Lee or Mayo and Delonte West to play PG, picked up a 2nd Round Pick I think this offseason would have looked a lot better.

West / Robinson / Teague
Hamilton / Mayo / Lamb or Barton
Deng / Butler / Vlad

Would have "saved" the Bulls some cash as well, better long term.

No question that would have been a better off season, which we tried for, but we need to consider the other party as well.

Has West even been picked up yet? If so, i've obviously missed it.

Lee, who i like, was disappointing to lose out on, but i think we need to understand with Mayo that he is playing this one season as an audition for a long term deal the following season.

Dallas and Phoenix were always the better scenario for him to have a good year and best position himself for a pay day next off season.

[boogydown]

I know Mayo is thinking "short term" with Dallas. His #1 concern is getting paid. Rip being short term though, the Bulls were likely ready to gamble with Mayo being short term but couldnt give him the playing time he wanted nor could they clear Rip.

Belinelli I think will be a mistake though. Feel we will opt out of his agreement and go for guys like Anthony Morrow and J.J. Redick with TPE/MMLE next year.

As for Starting SG, I really have no clue. If no Rip, not sure who we can sign next year. It's not going to be Hinrich, no rookie can come in here and start right away, Gerald Henderson had no range whatsoever, and Brandon Rush isnt even good enough to start in Golden State. There is a chance we could hold onto Rip in 2013-2014 if he has a solid season.

I honestly have no clue who the Bulls see as our Starting SG next year but based on what Rose said, it sounds like something could be happening we don't know yet.

[kingkirk]

I know Mayo is thinking "short term" with Dallas. His #1 concern is getting paid. Rip being short term though, the Bulls were likely ready to gamble with Mayo being short term but couldnt give him the playing time he wanted nor could they clear Rip.

Couldn't agree more.

Belinelli I think will be a mistake though. Feel we will opt out of his agreement and go for guys like Anthony Morrow and J.J. Redick with TPE/MMLE next year.

I dont think it will be a mistake, so long as your under the impression that its a short term move for us.

As for Starting SG, I really have no clue. If no Rip, not sure who we can sign next year. It's not going to be Hinrich, no rookie can come in here and start right away, Gerald Henderson had no range whatsoever, and Brandon Rush isnt even good enough to start in Golden State. There is a chance we could hold onto Rip in 2013-2014 if he has a solid season.

Rip will start, assuming he is healthy. Jimmy could also be an option, however that would depend on how Lu is playing, if it all.

Kirk will be our starting PG on opening night.

Will that remain? Who knows, Rip could get injured/traded, a lot of things could happen, but i think the most likely scenario come opening night assuming everyone is healthy is a Kirk/Rip opening guard line up with Beli and Nate getting reserve minutes with Jimmy floating between the 2 and 3.

[boogydown]

I'm not really worried about our backup 2 spot moving forward as if Belinelli doesn't workout, we have "multiple" options next offseason. My concern is starting shooting guard.

Are there any shooting guards we can acquire in the next two years who could put us over the top making $10m to $18m a year?

Projected 2014-2015 Bulls Roster
Rose / Teague / Hinrich
High Paid SG / Morrow or Redick
Deng / Butler
Gibson / Mirotic
Noah / 2013 Rookie

Other Assets Filling 11, 12, 13,14, 15 Roster Spots
- Bobcats Pick
- TPE or MMLE
- 2014 MLE or MMLE
- 2014 1st Rd Pick
- 2013 2nd Rd Pick
- 2014 2nd Rd Pick

What do you guys see happening?

[kingkirk]

I'm not really worried about our backup 2 spot moving forward as if Belinelli doesn't workout, we have "multiple" options next offseason. My concern is starting shooting guard.

Are there any shooting guards we can acquire in the next two years who could put us over the top making $10m to $18m a year?

Projected 2014-2015 Bulls Roster
Rose / Teague / Hinrich
High Paid SG / Morrow or Redick
Deng / Butler
Gibson / Mirotic
Noah / 2013 Rookie

Other Assets Filling 11, 12, 13,14, 15 Roster Spots
- Bobcats Pick
- TPE or MMLE
- 2014 MLE or MMLE
- 2014 1st Rd Pick
- 2013 2nd Rd Pick
- 2014 2nd Rd Pick

What do you guys see happening?

The only way we can acquire this shooting guard we all crave is via trade, assuming we dont clear cap room.

I think we also need to understand that we will always have a starter who is weaker than the others.

Currently, it appears the 2 and 4 positions are our weakness. Both our starters came in as 3-5 year type players, when in fact, if we could palm off both in a trade and win that trade, we would in a heartbeat.

I think the 4 will be ok with Mirotic coming over and hopefully hanging onto Taj into the offseason with our picks going forward being for reserve bigs.

Tbh, im not sure what options we have?

I'd like to see how Jimmy progresses at both wing spots. If he can progress to the point of being a capable starter, then i would look to trade Deng for that 2 we crave, or for a lotto pick if possible.

Free agency at this stage has too many variables for us to consider, given that we likely wont be players in it for another 2 years.

[BoozerRoNo]

KingCuban I feel that although West signed for vet minimum the Bulls could not afford to let better point guards sign elsewhere and gamble on waiting on West decision and lose out but wait until after we were set to get good pickups for the vet min. Had the Bulls missed out on Kirk they would gave offered 3million to West because we needed a point guard over a player in Mayo who was looking for an opportunity to get 30 minutes a game which he wasn't going to get here. Kirk Hinrich is a better player for this team. His offsense isnt the greatest but Kirk as a starter played great with us with Rose Deng and Noah His defense fit right in. The Kirk Hinrich signing will be like the Battier signing for the Heat. Everyone laughed and said it was a terrible signing but guys like these are very valuable to your team. OJ Mayo wanted an opportunity to prove his worth in the league Dallas was a good fit to do that because he is more likely to start over Carter than Rip here and get more minutes.

Just because a player signed elsewhere for less doesn't mean the bulls would have gotten West had West signed for less before Kirk then you
might have a point but order to fins a good point guard we needed to sign someone before July 11th or we would have had to overpay for someone else

I believe Kirk was brought in to replace Rip as the starting shooting guard this season and look to trade Rip for cap space or more bench players.

[The Big Dog]

It's just so depressing that this is the most popular topic on the board/the most likely trade the FO will make.

[pb-ceo]

we need picks ourselves. I am sure they will try to pawn rip off by trade deadline or just cut him after the season.

[bullsnewdynasty]

According to the WT, Detroit is looking for a guard.