Bogdan Tanjevic disses Kanter, Corbin, and the NBA

[Roddy]

Sounds like someone who doesnt understand the game.The man is simply ignorant.

You are an ignorant. Tanjevic is one of the best coaches in Europe with Željko Obradović, Bozidar Maljkovic, Dusko Ivanovic and Ettore Messina.

They are better than 90% of the NBA coaches. But the fact is, the game and basketball coaching philosophy are not the same overseas.

Some of the best players in Europe like Antoine Rigaudeau, Dejan Bodiroga or Gregor Fučka could not played in the NBA because it's not the way they played.

Just like some NBA stars couldn't be as efficient as they are if they were playing in Euroleague.

[Chalk1]

He's wrong, Kanter played on the Turkish team last year at Eurobasket. Averaged 10 and 4 on .60% shooting.

[seren]

Sounds like someone who doesnt understand the game.The man is simply ignorant.

You are an ignorant. Tanjevic is one of the best coaches in Europe with Željko Obradović, Bozidar Maljkovic, Dusko Ivanovic and Ettore Messina.

They are better than 90% of the NBA coaches. But the fact is, the game and basketball coaching philosophy are not the same overseas.

Some of the best players in Europe like Antoine Rigaudeau, Dejan Bodiroga or Gregor Fučka could not played in the NBA because it's not the way they played.

Just like some NBA stars couldn't be as efficient as they are if they were playing in Euroleague.

This is true. Pretty much the way these guys and the game in general is played as chuck and duck. If you can hit the three shot, you get to play. If not, no soup for you.

Doesn't make the coaches better in Europe though. Just check their combined records against U.S. National teams. Even average college American players become big stars in Europe. That is no accident.

[pistons_own]

In the NBA, there are just three or four coaches who have been there for 100 years, making billions and winning trophies.

Interdasting..

lol, exactly what i thought

[SunKing]

Just like some NBA stars couldn't be as efficient as they are if they were playing in Euroleague.

Give any NBA stars a "try" period of 3 months (times to get used to the european philosophy of basketball), and he would tears the league he's playing apart and be one of the best player in Europe. Which 2012 All-NBA player wouldn't be as good as in NBA ? I'm waiting for response... The only one might be Tyson Chandler if he definitely get used to, but he's not what I would call a "NBA star".

Tanjevic, has a good career and is a good coach, but please people do not believe that all euros feel that way. That's just embarassing this kind of complex that some euros have about americans, nowadays most coaches and US real basktball fans have good appreciation/respect of basketball in Europe but you have a household name like Tanjevic talking **** like that...

Yeah dirty americans killed those young europeans talent... I remember a spanish coach crying in a ITW that US murderered Gasol because he wasn't able to dribble on the 3pt line like before and creating on the perimeter, yeah that Gasol was a good player. Now they throw him down low and he's a **** beast and any time US goes against Spain they doesn't any answer and **** on the "old" Gasol.

Piss the **** off, americans are just better than us, they're doing it the way they want to do, it might not be perfect but they have the best players in the world and nearly won every competition of basketball just get over it and stop talking trash.

[sisibilio]

Even average college American players become big stars in Europe. That is no accident.

That's not an accident, that's simply not true.
The list of college stars who fail to make an impact in Europe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than the list of average college players who become big stars in Europe.

[drejeronfire]

Bogdan Tanjevic has long been a bitter individual. He knows he couldn't cut it in the NBA with his simple schemes and inability to blend talent.

[seren]

Even average college American players become big stars in Europe. That is no accident.

That's not an accident, that's simply not true.
The list of college stars who fail to make an impact in Europe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than the list of average college players who become big stars in Europe.

The list of European stars failing to make an impact in NBA is w(however many a's you want) longer than that list you mention.

The list of NBA stars (heck average NBA players) failing to make an impact in Europe, however, is fairly short. In fact, almost non-existent.

[sisibilio]

Tanjevic just has a big mouth, always has.
Using his words to make silly generalizations is just plain stupid.

[seren]

Bogdan Tanjevic has long been a bitter individual. He knows he couldn't cut it in the NBA with his simple schemes and inability to blend talent.

Pretty much a chuck and duck coach. Worst kind in that indeed. Wasted years of Turkish basketball.

His quote is ridiculously stupid as well. He talks about how Kanter can never play the center position and talks about the player development within the same sentence.

[sisibilio]

Even average college American players become big stars in Europe. That is no accident.

That's not an accident, that's simply not true.
The list of college stars who fail to make an impact in Europe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than the list of average college players who become big stars in Europe.

The list of European stars failing to make an impact in NBA is w(however many a's you want) longer than that list you mention.

The list of NBA stars (heck average NBA players) failing to make an impact in Europe, however, is fairly short. In fact, almost non-existent.

I never mentioned the NBA. Just saying.

And thinking that any average NBA player will be a star in Europe has no base. There are many specialists in the NBA who have no skillset to be anything more than that, no matter what level of basketball they're playing in.

[bigbreakfast]

Even average college American players become big stars in Europe. That is no accident.

That's not an accident, that's simply not true.
The list of college stars who fail to make an impact in Europe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than the list of average college players who become big stars in Europe.

The list of European stars failing to make an impact in NBA is w(however many a's you want) longer than that list you mention.

The list of NBA stars (heck average NBA players) failing to make an impact in Europe, however, is fairly short. In fact, almost non-existent.

@seren, you made a blanket statement, got called out on it, then in reply you shifted your argument completely. sisibilio never mentioned anything about nba players, he was just replying to your statement about average college players.

[seren]

That's not an accident, that's simply not true.
The list of college stars who fail to make an impact in Europe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than the list of average college players who become big stars in Europe.

The list of European stars failing to make an impact in NBA is w(however many a's you want) longer than that list you mention.

The list of NBA stars (heck average NBA players) failing to make an impact in Europe, however, is fairly short. In fact, almost non-existent.

@seren, you made a blanket statement, got called out on it, then in reply you shifted your argument completely. sisibilio never mentioned anything about nba players, he was just replying to your statement about average college players.

Not really though. What is wrong about what I said? Isn't it true that average college players do in fact become big stars in Europe?

[seren]

That's not an accident, that's simply not true.
The list of college stars who fail to make an impact in Europe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than the list of average college players who become big stars in Europe.

The list of European stars failing to make an impact in NBA is w(however many a's you want) longer than that list you mention.

The list of NBA stars (heck average NBA players) failing to make an impact in Europe, however, is fairly short. In fact, almost non-existent.

I never mentioned the NBA. Just saying.

And thinking that any average NBA player will be a star in Europe has no base. There are many specialists in the NBA who have no skillset to be anything more than that, no matter what level of basketball they're playing in.

Name me some NBA players who failed to have a career in Europe.

[seren]

By the way, another good example is the U.S. players who are given European passports in order to play in national teams.

[sisibilio]

Name me some NBA players who failed to have a career in Europe.

Ralph Sampson.

See, i can do that too.

[aoik]

Guys, your comparisons are stupid.

"NBA players would rock in Europe" is true. But Tanjevic did not criticize the players.

NBA has the best players of the world. But not Europe. Of course talented NBA players will rule in Europe.

But he talks about the system and coaches in USA. These are different things.

Give Tanjevic the Knicks and let Knicks play in Europe. They will beat everyone there. But let a NBA coach teach an European team, then we will see how good NBA coaches are.

In Europe you do not have so many talented players, so you must get the max out of each player you have.

In NBA you can rely on the gifted players... This makes your coaches not good as those in Europe.

But of course Americans will not agree with this.

[seren]

Guys, your comparisons are stupid.

"NBA players would rock in Europe" is true. But Tanjevic did not criticize the players.

NBA has the best players of the world. But not Europe. Of course talented NBA players will rule in Europe.

But he talks about the system and coaches in USA. These are different things.

Give Tanjevic the Knicks and let Knicks play in Europe. They will beat everyone there. But let a NBA coach teach an European team, then we will see how good NBA coaches are.

In Europe you do not have so many talented players, so you must get the max out of each player you have.

In NBA you can rely on the gifted players... This makes your coaches not good as those in Europe.

But of course Americans will not agree with this.

Mike DAntoni disagrees with you. Also all these American players that become NBA level players mostly are coached by American coaches their whole life. Just saying.

I'd say majority of European coaches are clueless. They can't handle egos. Most can't handle an 82 game schedule. Most can't truly develop big men. Heck, most don't teach fundamentals at all. There is a reason European big men struggle with their footwork in the NBA. The last great European big developed exclusively in Europe was Sabonis. Heck, Gasol brothers became dominant because of the time spent in the NBA under American coaches.

[sisibilio]

That's a brilliant ending to this silly discussion.

You can close the internetz now.

[Roddy]

I'd say majority of European coaches are clueless. They can't handle egos.

See. That's why the world doesn't like Americans. You don't know what you are talking about. Ask someone like Popovich what he thinks about basketball in Europe. He just loves it, and he tries to learn a lot about it.

Chuck Daly was the first to say that Europeans worked harder on fundamentals.

Saying that average college players would become big stars in Europe is just stupid.