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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#121 » by hands11 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:11 am

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nate33 wrote:It's weird. Everyone credits us modestly for adding Okafor, Ariza and Beal, but they don't notice the addition of Nene, who is better than all of those guys. The conventional wisdom is: "hey, they went 20-46 with Nene so they're not that good." But in reality they went 7-4 with Nene, or to look at it pessimistically, they went 11-14 post trade (with Nene missing 14 of those games).


I don't think it's so much pessimistic to look at it as 11-14. Yeah, the team may have been holding out Nene in situations where he might have played due to the team being toast for the season anyway. Still, given the Wizards medical staff history, it isn't beyond the realm of reason to assume that Nene might suddenly miss more games as a Wizard than he would for the Nuggets.

More importantly, though, I do think a lot of people tend to take late season winning streaks by teams already out of the playoffs with a grain of salt. Especially last season, teams were tanking like crazy and the Wizards were no exception. Good teams were being extra careful with their stars due to the compressed schedule. Teams that had made the playoffs were just gassed and wanted to rest their players heading into the playoffs. Post-trade analysis is generally a decent way to look at things, but having it overlap with a late season surge of sorts under those circumstances really makes it tough to gauge the nature of the improvement. I remember the Chandler/Curry/Crawford Bulls constantly going on late-season winning streaks to finish with 33 wins on the season only to have everybody predict that they would break out next season as they were suddenly winning. Things are different towards the end of a normal NBA season and those differences were magnified last season.

I think the Wizards are improved more than some of the prognosticators suggest, but Iuntil they show their improvement when it matters and other teams are trying, I think it's pretty safe to put them in the same ballpark as teams like the Raptors, Cavaliers, Pistons, Bucks and maybe the Sixers.


They beat MIL who was playing for a playoff spot. That was legit. And for real in total or not, Im sure the players will use that winning streak as a mental edge going into the season. They have the same coach that lead them on that ride. Thats a good thing. With that you have some idea of how they will be coached, what is expected of them, how the coach will treat them and react to poor play and what the focus will be. Unlike a team that was lead by a Dray late season surge, this team has a legit chance to pick up where they left off.

Wall, Beal, Crawford, Trevor A, Nene, Okafor, Keven with Booker and Ves is not a talentless team. And on a team that should pride themselves on defense, you have to hope Chris Singleton, who was supposed to have been their defensive specialist pick, should be able to help.

Now if they can upgrade the back up PG ( Livingston ), I think they have something capable of being a solid playoff team. They should be able to keep most teams from scoring over 100. Maybe even under 90. They should be able to score in the post, fast break and from the line. We will see how much they improved their outside shooting. They added Beal and Trevor A but lost Mason and J Singleton. But what they did do is upgrade the outside shooting of player who could start for them this year and who will be ready to play all year. The other improved shooting will have to come from existing players getting better which I expect they did. I already saw Ves shooting better from outside. Booker got better last year. Singleton needs to show marked improvement. And there is WALL.

I say this team will have good team chemistry and a coach in Randy that will lead them.

I like their chances for a playoff run.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#122 » by I_Like_Dirt » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:10 pm

I'm not saying they don't have a shot at making the playoffs. I definitely think they've got a shot as do several other teams I just think that expecting most prognosticators to give the Wizards credit because of the way they finished out a 20-win season on a 6-game winning streak is pretty weak reasoning that still had them finish 2nd last in the NBA. The Wizards might be good, but they really don't have much in the way of hard evidence to show how improved they'll be even if they played a few games last season. Other teams have made various improvements, too, (thinking of the Raptors and the Sixers particularly here, although neither team improved as much as the Wizards) but I wouldn't write either team into the playoffs just yet, either, and both teams finished ahead of the Wizards in the standings last season. Last season was just a weird season overall to draw anything from because of the schedule. I don't really expect to see most people making massive predictions that stray from conventional knowledge based on relatively small samples and trends observed during that season.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#123 » by rockymac52 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:13 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:I'm not saying they don't have a shot at making the playoffs. I definitely think they've got a shot as do several other teams I just think that expecting most prognosticators to give the Wizards credit because of the way they finished out a 20-win season on a 6-game winning streak is pretty weak reasoning that still had them finish 2nd last in the NBA. The Wizards might be good, but they really don't have much in the way of hard evidence to show how improved they'll be even if they played a few games last season. Other teams have made various improvements, too, (thinking of the Raptors and the Sixers particularly here, although neither team improved as much as the Wizards) but I wouldn't write either team into the playoffs just yet, either, and both teams finished ahead of the Wizards in the standings last season. Last season was just a weird season overall to draw anything from because of the schedule. I don't really expect to see most people making massive predictions that stray from conventional knowledge based on relatively small samples and trends observed during that season.

Oh, of course. I don't expect ESPN folks or really any major media folks to go out on a limb and predict the Wizards to make the playoffs this season. I barely expect them to have much of anything positive to say, honestly. And I can't blame them at all. I am glad that we have documented all of our feelings here before the season begins though, just in the event that the Wizards do in fact make a marked improvement and end up in the playoffs, we can say "I told you so", and it will be backed up by logical reasons and not just pure homerism.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#124 » by Dat2U » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:23 pm

1. 67-15 Miami - Now that the pressure is off, will a dynasty begin?
2. 53-29 Indiana - Rock solid regular season but doesn't have big guns to hold up in playoffs.
3. 49-33 Atlanta - Johnson for Williams swap saves a ton of $ without much loss of production.
4. 48-34 Boston - Back again for another run. Subtract Allen, add Jason Terry & Jeff Green.
5. 46-36 Brooklyn - Strong back court but weak front court a concern. Lopez & Humphries? eh.
6. 45-37 New York - Opposite of the Nets. Felton & an ancient Kidd may not be enough at PG.
7. 44-38 Milwaukee - I don't think even Scott Skiles' schemes can hide Monta Ellis on defense.
8. 42-40 Philadelphia - Collins will coach this team up, but they need Bynum to stay healthy.
9. 37-45 Washington - Unless Wall's J is greatly improved. Wizards will struggle to score.
10. 37-45 Toronto - Lowry is the underrated acquisition of the offseason. Jonas should help.
11. 33-49 Detroit - Monroe still has no help. Drummond not ready. Knight needs to step up.
12. 29-53 Cleveland - Will be very competitive as long as Varejao stays healthy. Uh oh.
13. 27-55 Chicago - I smell an upcoming tank. Hinrich & Hamilton together? It's not 2005!
14. 25-57 Charlotte - MKG will be a stud but not enough skill roster wise. Much improved.
15. 17-65 Orlando - Rebuild begins in ugly fashion with a veteran roster devoid of talent
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Post#125 » by nate33 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:08 pm

Dat2U wrote:1. 67-15 Miami - Now that the pressure is off, will a dynasty begin?
2. 53-29 Indiana - Rock solid regular season but doesn't have big guns to hold up in playoffs.
3. 49-33 Atlanta - Johnson for Williams swap saves a ton of $ without much loss of production.
4. 48-34 Boston - Back again for another run. Subtract Allen, add Jason Terry & Jeff Green.
5. 46-36 Brooklyn - Strong back court but weak front court a concern. Lopez & Humphries? eh.
6. 45-37 New York - Opposite of the Nets. Felton & an ancient Kidd may not be enough at PG.
7. 44-38 Milwaukee - I don't think even Scott Skiles' schemes can hide Monta Ellis on defense.
8. 42-40 Philadelphia - Collins will coach this team up, but they need Bynum to stay healthy.
9. 37-45 Washington - Unless Wall's J is greatly improved. Wizards will struggle to score.
10. 37-45 Toronto - Lowry is the underrated acquisition of the offseason. Jonas should help.
11. 33-49 Detroit - Monroe still has no help. Drummond not ready. Knight needs to step up.
12. 29-53 Cleveland - Will be very competitive as long as Varejao stays healthy. Uh oh.
13. 27-55 Chicago - I smell an upcoming tank. Hinrich & Hamilton together? It's not 2005!
14. 25-57 Charlotte - MKG will be a stud but not enough skill roster wise. Much improved.
15. 17-65 Orlando - Rebuild begins in ugly fashion with a veteran roster devoid of talent

I don't see how Chicago can possibly be that bad with their defense. Also, Rose should be back by January. With modern surgical techniques, ACL injuries aren't the death sentence they once were. There's no chance Chicago finishes below Detroit and Cleveland.

Other than that, I agree with this general ranking, though I think Milwaukee will be a bit closer to .500.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#126 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:21 pm

Dat, I'm going to take the time to study more. You're always better at summing up the big picture more quickly and accurately than I and darned near anybody else who posts. I don't want to look at your predictions too much before I try to formulate my own. Like your draft tiers, I know you've thought it out already.

My observation only on what nate just posted is I agree with Dat that Chicago will not make the playoffs. They lost way too much continuity with the roster moves over the summer. Korver and John Lucas III, along with Ronnie Brewer provided backcourt stability with Rose injured. Hinrich and Rip are long in the tooth, and I think they'll struggle. Asik was a good big body off the bench. Watson struggled last season, but he had quickness along with Lucas that IMO will be missed. For the Bulls to do well without Rose early, Boozer and Deng will have to ball on offense. Jimmy Butler will need to play well right off. They will have to be cohesive defensively. I don't see it happening. That win total prediction, Dat, seems too low for a Thibodeau coached team to me. I would put them down for around 35-37 wins just because of the coach and veterans. Mediocre with no hope for advancing unless Rose comes back better than ever.

That said, Dat on that one team now would be the time for them to belly up and have a fire sale of trades. Hamilton to a playoff-seeking team, such as the Wizards makes sense. Boozer as well, for a contract like Okafor's. Also, I have a sense that Krause does not care for Joakim Noah and would trade him. So, yeah, I could see them tanking, Dat. It would be a great year for them to trade off and tank IMO.
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Post#127 » by Ruzious » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:44 pm

Looking at Dat's analysis (well done, btw)... wow, outside of Miami, the East really sucks!
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#128 » by hands11 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:47 am

nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:1. 67-15 Miami - Now that the pressure is off, will a dynasty begin?
2. 53-29 Indiana - Rock solid regular season but doesn't have big guns to hold up in playoffs.
3. 49-33 Atlanta - Johnson for Williams swap saves a ton of $ without much loss of production.
4. 48-34 Boston - Back again for another run. Subtract Allen, add Jason Terry & Jeff Green.
5. 46-36 Brooklyn - Strong back court but weak front court a concern. Lopez & Humphries? eh.
6. 45-37 New York - Opposite of the Nets. Felton & an ancient Kidd may not be enough at PG.
7. 44-38 Milwaukee - I don't think even Scott Skiles' schemes can hide Monta Ellis on defense.
8. 42-40 Philadelphia - Collins will coach this team up, but they need Bynum to stay healthy.
9. 37-45 Washington - Unless Wall's J is greatly improved. Wizards will struggle to score.
10. 37-45 Toronto - Lowry is the underrated acquisition of the offseason. Jonas should help.
11. 33-49 Detroit - Monroe still has no help. Drummond not ready. Knight needs to step up.
12. 29-53 Cleveland - Will be very competitive as long as Varejao stays healthy. Uh oh.
13. 27-55 Chicago - I smell an upcoming tank. Hinrich & Hamilton together? It's not 2005!
14. 25-57 Charlotte - MKG will be a stud but not enough skill roster wise. Much improved.
15. 17-65 Orlando - Rebuild begins in ugly fashion with a veteran roster devoid of talent

I don't see how Chicago can possibly be that bad with their defense. Also, Rose should be back by January. With modern surgical techniques, ACL injuries aren't the death sentence they once were. There's no chance Chicago finishes below Detroit and Cleveland.

Other than that, I agree with this general ranking, though I think Milwaukee will be a bit closer to .500.


Wizards will be better then Philly and MIK and will make the playoffs. Thats my prediction. Other then that, a reasonable review. Those seem like the right top 6. Thanks.

I could see things breaking right for Boston and them ending up 2nd or 3rd.

Wall and Nene are the most important two that need to stay healthy. If either goes out for any extended time, they will struggle.
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Post#129 » by willbcocks » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:20 am

1. 62-20 Miami - They'll rest their best players, especially Wade, so they won't challenge the 72-10 mark.
2. 49-33 NJ - They look like a good regular season team to me. Similar to last year's clippers.
3. 48-34 NY - They actually play decent defense now.
4. 47-35 Indiana - The East will improve slightly, but I don't think they did, and might even have gotten worse.
5. 47-35 Boston - They'll rest their players before the playoffs
6. 43-39 Atlanta - They are an injury to Smith/Horford away from being a lottery team.
7. 41-41 Philadelphia - They lost a lot of key guys and are going to struggle initially.
8. 40-42 Chicago - Will be a real test of their coaching and cohesion to get his many wins. Rose's re-entry likely won't help much in win column next year.
9. 38-42 Washington - Most likely is that Wall improves but doesn't become a real franchise player next year. I hope I'm wrong (or that even if it doesn't happen next year, it does the following)
10. 38-42 Cleveland - Irving will keep cleveland in the playoff hunt
11. 37-43 Toronto -
12: 35-47 Detroit - I think Dumars is nuts, but they've kept enough semi-productive vets to win some games
13: 34-48 Milwaukee - Not sure what I'm missing with this team; very little defense, no bigman depth, lots of inefficient offensive players.
41: 20-62 Charlotte - They finally have a good prospect, but that team is terrible and lacks experience
42: 18-64 Orlando - I hope they trade Affalalo for a prospect (Afflalo + something for Derrick Williams seems like a great deal for both teams).


The big story of the east this year will be few great teams, few terrible teams, and a bunch of average teams. We're on the below average side of that big average group.
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Post#130 » by miller31time » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:32 am

1. Miami Heat (62-20) - Bringing back a great team while adding a HOF'er in Ray Allen and depth in Shard
2. Boston Celtics (52-30) - Still rock solid despite the departure of Allen; Terry will fit right in
3. Philadelphia 76'ers (48-34) - Provided health, Bynum will dominate a weak Eastern Conference
4. Indiana Pacers (46-36) - Still lack a 1st-option scorer to take them to the next level
5. New York Knicks (45-37) - They'll put up a lot of points and play decent defense but lack cohesiveness
6. Brooklyn Nets (43-39) - Stellar backcourt, weak frontcourt; lack depth
7. Atlanta Hawks (40-42) - Staying afloat but doesn't have the star power to contend in the East
8. Chicago Bulls (38-44) - They'll play well enough to sneak in the playoffs, just in time for a healthy Rose
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9. Milwaukee Bucks (37-45) - Questionable backcourt fit and more than suspect defense
10. Washington Wizards (35-47) - Improved but lacks offensive firepower to make the jump
11. Toronto Raptors (33-49) - Lowry, Fields and Val will help but not nearly as much as they need
12. Cleveland Cavaliers (32-50) - Irving will keep them in games but didn't do much to improve
13. Detroit Pistons (30-52) - Decent nucleus but still a few years away from making a playoff push
14. Orlando Magic (27-55) - When Al Harrington leads your team in scoring, it's going to be a bad year
15. Charlotte Bobcats (20-62) - They're better but has the term "faint praise" ever been more appropriate?

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Post#131 » by Ruzious » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:33 am

hands11 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:1. 67-15 Miami - Now that the pressure is off, will a dynasty begin?
2. 53-29 Indiana - Rock solid regular season but doesn't have big guns to hold up in playoffs.
3. 49-33 Atlanta - Johnson for Williams swap saves a ton of $ without much loss of production.
4. 48-34 Boston - Back again for another run. Subtract Allen, add Jason Terry & Jeff Green.
5. 46-36 Brooklyn - Strong back court but weak front court a concern. Lopez & Humphries? eh.
6. 45-37 New York - Opposite of the Nets. Felton & an ancient Kidd may not be enough at PG.
7. 44-38 Milwaukee - I don't think even Scott Skiles' schemes can hide Monta Ellis on defense.
8. 42-40 Philadelphia - Collins will coach this team up, but they need Bynum to stay healthy.
9. 37-45 Washington - Unless Wall's J is greatly improved. Wizards will struggle to score.
10. 37-45 Toronto - Lowry is the underrated acquisition of the offseason. Jonas should help.
11. 33-49 Detroit - Monroe still has no help. Drummond not ready. Knight needs to step up.
12. 29-53 Cleveland - Will be very competitive as long as Varejao stays healthy. Uh oh.
13. 27-55 Chicago - I smell an upcoming tank. Hinrich & Hamilton together? It's not 2005!
14. 25-57 Charlotte - MKG will be a stud but not enough skill roster wise. Much improved.
15. 17-65 Orlando - Rebuild begins in ugly fashion with a veteran roster devoid of talent

I don't see how Chicago can possibly be that bad with their defense. Also, Rose should be back by January. With modern surgical techniques, ACL injuries aren't the death sentence they once were. There's no chance Chicago finishes below Detroit and Cleveland.

Other than that, I agree with this general ranking, though I think Milwaukee will be a bit closer to .500.


Wizards will be better then Philly and MIK and will make the playoffs. Thats my prediction. Other then that, a reasonable review. Those seem like the right top 6. Thanks.

I could see things breaking right for Boston and them ending up 2nd or 3rd.

Wall and Nene are the most important two that need to stay healthy. If either goes out for any extended time, they will struggle.

I think your position is wrong. Philly was already a playoff team, and Bynum - being the only dominant big man in the East - should make them a significantly better team. Milwaukee played without a center last season. Now they have one - to go along with a team that's better offensively than the Wizards and great defensive coach Scott Skiles coaching them.
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Post#132 » by verbal8 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:07 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:That said, Dat on that one team now would be the time for them to belly up and have a fire sale of trades. Hamilton to a playoff-seeking team, such as the Wizards makes sense. Boozer as well, for a contract like Okafor's. Also, I have a sense that Krause does not care for Joakim Noah and would trade him. So, yeah, I could see them tanking, Dat. It would be a great year for them to trade off and tank IMO.


I think even if he isn't a favorite, I think Noah is too good a value to get rid of. He is almost perfect for a tank because he isn't good enough to win many games on his own, but he is an important part of a good play-off team.

Boozer would be the most obvious choice to dump. I think Deng would be a trade candidate. I bet either Deng(maybe with Taj Gibson) or Boozer would look good to Houston. They really need to make a consolidation trade and the Bulls could reload their bench. If they deal both Deng and Boozer, one for depth and one for a contract and picks I think they would be bad this season, but well positioned for the future.
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Post#133 » by closg00 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:53 pm

If we can pull-off an upgrade at back-up PG, I think we'll have a fighting chance at competing for that 8th seed.
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Post#134 » by nate33 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:11 pm

Miami, Boston, Indiana, New York and New Jersey are almost sure to make the playoffs. Orlando, Charlotte, Cleveland, Detroit and Toronto won't make the playoffs. That leaves the following teams fighting for the last 3 playoff spots:

Atlanta
Milwaukee
Chicago
Philadelphia
Washington

On paper, I'd say Washington is the worst out of this bunch, but there are enough question marks about the teams in the group that it's fairly likely that one of them surprises to the downside, resulting in Washington finishing as the 9th best team in the conference. I'm much less confident that Washington can beat out two of these teams though. I'd bet against us making the playoffs.
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Post#135 » by hands11 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:21 pm

miller31time wrote:1. Miami Heat (62-20) - Bringing back a great team while adding a HOF'er in Ray Allen and depth in Shard
2. Boston Celtics (52-30) - Still rock solid despite the departure of Allen; Terry will fit right in
3. Philadelphia 76'ers (48-34) - Provided health, Bynum will dominate a weak Eastern Conference
4. Indiana Pacers (46-36) - Still lack a 1st-option scorer to take them to the next level
5. New York Knicks (45-37) - They'll put up a lot of points and play decent defense but lack cohesiveness
6. Brooklyn Nets (43-39) - Stellar backcourt, weak frontcourt; lack depth
7. Atlanta Hawks (40-42) - Staying afloat but doesn't have the star power to contend in the East
8. Chicago Bulls (38-44) - They'll play well enough to sneak in the playoffs, just in time for a healthy Rose
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9. Milwaukee Bucks (37-45) - Questionable backcourt fit and more than suspect defense
10. Washington Wizards (35-47) - Improved but lacks offensive firepower to make the jump
11. Toronto Raptors (33-49) - Lowry, Fields and Val will help but not nearly as much as they need
12. Cleveland Cavaliers (32-50) - Irving will keep them in games but didn't do much to improve
13. Detroit Pistons (30-52) - Decent nucleus but still a few years away from making a playoff push
14. Orlando Magic (27-55) - When Al Harrington leads your team in scoring, it's going to be a bad year
15. Charlotte Bobcats (20-62) - They're better but has the term "faint praise" ever been more appropriate?

* Bold = division winner


How would you rank them defensively ?
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Post#136 » by hands11 » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:59 pm

nate33 wrote:Miami, Boston, Indiana, New York and New Jersey are almost sure to make the playoffs. Orlando, Charlotte, Cleveland, Detroit and Toronto won't make the playoffs. That leaves the following teams fighting for the last 3 playoff spots:

Atlanta
Milwaukee
Chicago
Philadelphia
Washington

On paper, I'd say Washington is the worst out of this bunch, but there are enough question marks about the teams in the group that it's fairly likely that one of them surprises to the downside, resulting in Washington finishing as the 9th best team in the conference. I'm much less confident that Washington can beat out two of these teams though. I'd bet against us making the playoffs.


How do they match up against these teams. That would make for some interesting reading.

While Bynum is a big name add to Philly, he also brings baggage and injuries. That team lost it's heart when they lost Iggy. I wouldn't under value the affect that could have on the team. They also lost other key players. They added Bynum, Nick and Kwame. I don't know. I'll believe it when I see it come together. There are more then enough questions regarding that team. That team is pretty much riding on Bynam dominating and gelling. Loss Bynam and what do they have ? And for those worried about Nene's health, I give you Bynam.

MIK ? The Wiz beat them last year while they were trying to make the playoffs. 121-112
22nd in points allowed last year. The Wiz may have only been ranked 20th but the moves they made have greatly upgraded their D which already got better after the Nene trade. MIL will score and they have some proven talent, but I don't think they are as balanced. I think they are better then Philly and I think MIK vs the Wiz will be some competitive games. This is the team they need to beat to get in.

Key to the Wizards leaping these teams is going to be outstanding defense which I think they are capable of and what they get from Wall and Beal. I think with the other rotation players you can gauge what they are likely to do. Nene, Okafor, Trevors A, etc. But Wall and Beal are the ones that have both loads of talent and lots of upside. If one breaks out, they will challenge. If both do, they are going to be the surprise of the league going to second worst to playoffs.

I expect Wall to play an end to end more productive consistant year. He actually sucked at times last year. That isn't going to happen this year. Beal ? That is your X factor. I usually don't expect much from a rookie but this kid is something special in my opinion. This team making the playoff will ride largely on Wall and Beal along with Nene being healthy which I am a not really worried about.

Since Wall and Beal are by no means a sure thing, I can see people projecting them no better then 10th. I just so happen to think it will happen. We are talking about the #1 consensus pick coming into his 3rd year and Beal who was the #3 pick and a player getting a lot of props. I'm beating on both and that has me with them in the playoffs. Should be a great season to watch.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#137 » by miller31time » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:36 pm

hands11 wrote:
miller31time wrote:1. Miami Heat (62-20) - Bringing back a great team while adding a HOF'er in Ray Allen and depth in Shard
2. Boston Celtics (52-30) - Still rock solid despite the departure of Allen; Terry will fit right in
3. Philadelphia 76'ers (48-34) - Provided health, Bynum will dominate a weak Eastern Conference
4. Indiana Pacers (46-36) - Still lack a 1st-option scorer to take them to the next level
5. New York Knicks (45-37) - They'll put up a lot of points and play decent defense but lack cohesiveness
6. Brooklyn Nets (43-39) - Stellar backcourt, weak frontcourt; lack depth
7. Atlanta Hawks (40-42) - Staying afloat but doesn't have the star power to contend in the East
8. Chicago Bulls (38-44) - They'll play well enough to sneak in the playoffs, just in time for a healthy Rose
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9. Milwaukee Bucks (37-45) - Questionable backcourt fit and more than suspect defense
10. Washington Wizards (35-47) - Improved but lacks offensive firepower to make the jump
11. Toronto Raptors (33-49) - Lowry, Fields and Val will help but not nearly as much as they need
12. Cleveland Cavaliers (32-50) - Irving will keep them in games but didn't do much to improve
13. Detroit Pistons (30-52) - Decent nucleus but still a few years away from making a playoff push
14. Orlando Magic (27-55) - When Al Harrington leads your team in scoring, it's going to be a bad year
15. Charlotte Bobcats (20-62) - They're better but has the term "faint praise" ever been more appropriate?

* Bold = division winner


How would you rank them defensively ?


From top to bottom?

1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. Philadelphia
4. Boston
5. Washington
6. Atlanta
7. Indiana
8. Brooklyn
9. New York
10. Detroit
11. Cleveland
12. Charlotte
13. Orlando
14. Toronto
15. Milwaukee

That's without looking at any defensive statistics which would probably change my rankings a bit.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#138 » by Ruzious » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:11 pm

miller31time wrote:
hands11 wrote:
miller31time wrote:1. Miami Heat (62-20) - Bringing back a great team while adding a HOF'er in Ray Allen and depth in Shard
2. Boston Celtics (52-30) - Still rock solid despite the departure of Allen; Terry will fit right in
3. Philadelphia 76'ers (48-34) - Provided health, Bynum will dominate a weak Eastern Conference
4. Indiana Pacers (46-36) - Still lack a 1st-option scorer to take them to the next level
5. New York Knicks (45-37) - They'll put up a lot of points and play decent defense but lack cohesiveness
6. Brooklyn Nets (43-39) - Stellar backcourt, weak frontcourt; lack depth
7. Atlanta Hawks (40-42) - Staying afloat but doesn't have the star power to contend in the East
8. Chicago Bulls (38-44) - They'll play well enough to sneak in the playoffs, just in time for a healthy Rose
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9. Milwaukee Bucks (37-45) - Questionable backcourt fit and more than suspect defense
10. Washington Wizards (35-47) - Improved but lacks offensive firepower to make the jump
11. Toronto Raptors (33-49) - Lowry, Fields and Val will help but not nearly as much as they need
12. Cleveland Cavaliers (32-50) - Irving will keep them in games but didn't do much to improve
13. Detroit Pistons (30-52) - Decent nucleus but still a few years away from making a playoff push
14. Orlando Magic (27-55) - When Al Harrington leads your team in scoring, it's going to be a bad year
15. Charlotte Bobcats (20-62) - They're better but has the term "faint praise" ever been more appropriate?

* Bold = division winner


How would you rank them defensively ?


From top to bottom?

1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. Philadelphia
4. Boston
5. Washington
6. Atlanta
7. Indiana
8. Brooklyn
9. New York
10. Detroit
11. Cleveland
12. Charlotte
13. Orlando
14. Toronto
15. Milwaukee

That's without looking at any defensive statistics which would probably change my rankings a bit.

Yeah, you might want to glance at last year's defensive stats. A Scott Skiles team could have you and me in the backcourt and still not be last in defense. Last season - with no center - Milwaukee was 14th in defensive efficiency (4th the season before) in the NBA (not just the East), and they added Dalembert. They should be top 10 this season - even with the small backcourt.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#139 » by miller31time » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:26 pm

Ruzious wrote:
miller31time wrote:
hands11 wrote:How would you rank them defensively ?


From top to bottom?

1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. Philadelphia
4. Boston
5. Washington
6. Atlanta
7. Indiana
8. Brooklyn
9. New York
10. Detroit
11. Cleveland
12. Charlotte
13. Orlando
14. Toronto
15. Milwaukee

That's without looking at any defensive statistics which would probably change my rankings a bit.

Yeah, you might want to glance at last year's defensive stats. A Scott Skiles team could have you and me in the backcourt and still not be last in defense. Last season - with no center - Milwaukee was 14th in defensive efficiency (4th the season before) in the NBA (not just the East), and they added Dalembert. They should be top 10 this season - even with the small backcourt.


Completely forgot Skiles was still coaching them. That definitely bumps them up -- not just in the defensive rankings but overall.

What I'm surprised about, however, is that he hasn't seem to wear on the team. His reputation has been that he's a good coach and can implement an excellent defensive system but that, after a few seasons, the players start to turn on him.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 

Post#140 » by nate33 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:46 pm

miller31time wrote:What I'm surprised about, however, is that he hasn't seem to wear on the team. His reputation has been that he's a good coach and can implement an excellent defensive system but that, after a few seasons, the players start to turn on him.

Do we know this to be true? Are we certain that Skiles isn't starting to wear on his team?

Skiles had 2 excellent seasons in Phoenix and then was fired 51 games into his third season (despite playing .500 ball). He had 4 good years in Chicago (first season was bad, but had dramatic improvement thereafter) but was unceremoniously fired just 25 games into his 5th season after a 9-16 start.

This is his 5th season in Milwaukee. What happens if they start slow? What if Ellis' no-D reputation clashes with Skiles? How do they fare without Bogut's leadership? If they start out 9-16, does Skiles get fired again?

This is why I said that Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philly and Chicago may all be better than us, but they all have major question marks as well. Atlanta is just a Horford or Smith injury away from being mediocre. Philly is heavily dependent on Bynum, and Bynum is a bit of a headcase who could clash with the ornery Collins. (He is also injury prone.) Chicago lost much of their depth and their star player, and may just decide to tank rather than fight so hard to win games ugly with their D. Milwaukee could unravel quickly if Skiles loses the team. I wouldn't bet on all four of these teams struggling, but I think it's likely that one will. If two of them struggle, then the Wizards could make the playoffs.

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