LA reportedly acquires Gonzalez, Crawford, Beckett from Sox

[UN-Owen]

I would've put in a claim for Gonzalez if I were running the Jays

[Ado05]

I would've put in a claim for Gonzalez if I were running the Jays

Same. Everything we need. A big bat, plays first, and is a lefty.

[Sifu]

I would've put in a claim for Gonzalez if I were running the Jays

Rogers would never allow that in the off chance that the Sox actually let Gonzo go for nothing. Rogers would lose a few cents per share of profit, and that would mean massive layoffs.

[YogiStewart]

I would've put in a claim for Gonzalez if I were running the Jays

Same. Everything we need. A big bat, plays first, and is a lefty.

not trying to talk down to you two, but do you guys understand the MLB waiver concept vs the NHL waiver concept? because making a claim is different than in the NHL.

[whysoserious]

I would've put in a claim for Gonzalez if I were running the Jays

That's not how the Jays operate. It's all about the future!

[whysoserious]

I would've put in a claim for Gonzalez if I were running the Jays

Same. Everything we need. A big bat, plays first, and is a lefty.

not trying to talk down to you two, but do you guys understand the MLB waiver concept vs the NHL waiver concept? because making a claim is different than in the NHL.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if the Jays put in a claim it would have been accepted before the Dodgers claim, no?

Which would have forced the Red Sox to work out a deal with us, let him go to us, or pull him back off the market and that would have killed the deal with the Dodgers.

Now, that's a **** of money to take on and the Jays are definitely not taking Crawford and Beckett on to get Gonzalez but I think this is another move the Jays should have really looked at and I'd say gone for. I'd take Gonzalez and Beckett. If you expect Beckett to be the ace he once was, you'll be disappointed but he'd be a solid option behind Morrow and Romero (if he can work out whatevers in his head).

[satyr9]

BOS wasn't going to salary dump AGone or Beckett in the division. The Jays could've potentially blocked this move by claiming either of them (but if you think AGone would've been a good addition, then you would not want to see the block happen as it would leave him in BOS), but it's just not realistic to imagine BOS giving away players to the Jays. Well, Crawford's deal is so bad they probably would've let that one happen, but I don't imagine anyone's advocating that particular pick-up.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

The waiver claim would've been rescinded had the Jays intervened, but what's the point in the grand scheme of things? The Jays would basically lose a potential trading partner in the Dodgers, and this really has no bearing on the outcome of our season. Had the Jays been in contention however, perhaps they put the claim in, and force Boston to pull back the deal and continue eating Crawford's and Beckett's salary.

[whysoserious]

BOS wasn't going to salary dump AGone or Beckett in the division. The Jays could've potentially blocked this move by claiming either of them (but if you think AGone would've been a good addition, then you would not want to see the block happen as it would leave him in BOS), but it's just not realistic to imagine BOS giving away players to the Jays. Well, Crawford's deal is so bad they probably would've let that one happen, but I don't imagine anyone's advocating that particular pick-up.

I agree, BOS would never just let him go to a division rival. If there was ever a deal to be made between the two teams it would have cost the Jays a lot more to get players like Beckett and Gonzalez from the Red Sox than any other team would have to give up.

But blocking the deal would have forced the Sox to keep them short term and working out a deal later might have been tougher for them. I'm not sure if there's any reason for the Jays to do it. I still can't see them spending the money on a deal like that and fans probably don't even want that level of committment spending wise, just show them something.

[Ado05]

It wouldnt hurt to try to work out a trade, you never know if Boston would be okay with him going to a division rival, although that would be unlikely.

[YogiStewart]

BOS wasn't going to salary dump AGone or Beckett in the division. The Jays could've potentially blocked this move by claiming either of them (but if you think AGone would've been a good addition, then you would not want to see the block happen as it would leave him in BOS), but it's just not realistic to imagine BOS giving away players to the Jays. Well, Crawford's deal is so bad they probably would've let that one happen, but I don't imagine anyone's advocating that particular pick-up.

I agree, BOS would never just let him go to a division rival. If there was ever a deal to be made between the two teams it would have cost the Jays a lot more to get players like Beckett and Gonzalez from the Red Sox than any other team would have to give up.

But blocking the deal would have forced the Sox to keep them short term and working out a deal later might have been tougher for them. I'm not sure if there's any reason for the Jays to do it. I still can't see them spending the money on a deal like that and fans probably don't even want that level of committment spending wise, just show them something.

except that you're not going to file a claim when a) you probably don't want to inherit those contracts b) you don't want to touch Crawford c) you know the Sox will pull them off waivers if you show an interest or d) they won't agree to work out a deal with you unless they pillage your minors for prospects.

remember: the Sox wanted (apparently) Farrell and what did the Jays ask for in return? Exactly. ain't gonna happen.

[whysoserious]

Ya, I think my initial reaction is damn we could have used those players.

I also was trying to understand if it was worth blocking the LA deal thinking we could force Boston to hold on to those guys too which wouldn't have freed up money for them. In the end, they could just make a deal in the off-season but who knows.

[Double Y]

You could not have blocked the deal because you would not have known LA was interested. Everyone assumed Boston was putting said players on waivers for future trade purposes, just in case, and not that a deal was already in the works. Jays would have had to claim the players under the mentality that they would have to keep those players if Boston decided to let them go. Based on the current salary structure, plus Boston being out of contention, it would make no sense for the Jays to put in a claim.

[Schad]

You could not have blocked the deal because you would not have known LA was interested. Everyone assumed Boston was putting said players on waivers for future trade purposes, just in case, and not that a deal was already in the works. Jays would have had to claim the players under the mentality that they would have to keep those players if Boston decided to let them go. Based on the current salary structure, plus Boston being out of contention, it would make no sense for the Jays to put in a claim.

Exactly...we claim Gonzalez, he goes nowhere. We claim Beckett, we might be stuck with his contract, and nothing else. Also worth noting that there weren't many scenarios in which it would be a bad thing for Gonzalez to be shipped out of the division...guessing that "hey, what happens if Boston works out a deal to clear a quarter billion in salary? Should we block that possibility?" wasn't foremost in the minds of any executive around baseball.