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Re: Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#81 » by iamworthy » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:51 pm

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iamworthy wrote:So you're putting the last two playoff losses on Kobe? So now the lakers are better than the team that swept us last year, mind you the nba champions and this year the team that made the finals? C'mon dude.


Absolutely not. There were a lot of factors that contributed to our demise -- lack of depth, lack of shooting, gaping holes at multiple positions, the fact that our opponent was really, really good, etc., etc., ad nauseam. I'm saying that if we have another season where Kobe is historically ball-dominant, especially now that we've loaded up with a pair of elite players, we have zero chance of winning the championship. None. Zilch. Nada.

iamworthy wrote:To me it looks like he is trying to make a correlation between Kobe's ball-domination and us "getting rolled".


Because I believe there IS a correlation. Not the only correlation, to be sure, but very much a contributing factor. Semi has it right -- Kobe gets the lion's share of the credit when we win, surely it's not all that outrageous to suggest that his performance and approach needs an adjustment for us to lift another trophy.


Ok thats fair but Im not sure how you can mention kobe's historical ball-dominance and not mention kobe's historical success on the court. Alot of things need to happen or the lakers are not going to win a chip no matter what kobe does. I agree that kobe should not have to handle the ball as much, if nothing else because his handles have suffered ever since his pinky injury but Nash needs to change his game as well. Nash is very ball dominant. And while I have been singing Nashes praises since he got here lets not forget that Nash's ball dominance hasnt gotten him to a championship let alone the finals. I know this is breaking news but Nash will have to learn to play off of kobe as kobe will have to play off of Nash. I know you guys dont want to hear it but this will not be the Steve Nash show.
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Re: Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#82 » by AcecardZ » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:02 pm

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AcecardZ wrote:I don't remember our bench EVER extending a lead or making a dent in an opponent's lead last year. I'm sure they did in one or two games but that's just awful! Steve Blake is 100% to blame for this. The guy is just terrible and our team is going to continue to struggle anytime that guy is on the court. If we don't win a championship this year it will be due to his awfulness or significant injuries to key starters!

Yes BLAKE I'm blaming you!!! Go away! Far away and don't come back! Yes you're terrible!

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Lol I know your rant is a bit of sarcasm but Blake really isn't that bad if he is used as a true back up PG. Blake has been the quasi starter since he's been here. Fisher wasn't exactly doing us much good either.



You guessed correctly. There was some sarcasm in there but our bench has been absolutely awful since Farmar left and Blake came aboard.
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Re: Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#83 » by Sedale Threatt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:59 pm

iamworthy wrote:Ok thats fair but Im not sure how you can mention kobe's historical ball-dominance and not mention kobe's historical success on the court. Alot of things need to happen or the lakers are not going to win a chip no matter what kobe does. I agree that kobe should not have to handle the ball as much, if nothing else because his handles have suffered ever since his pinky injury but Nash needs to change his game as well. Nash is very ball dominant. And while I have been singing Nashes praises since he got here lets not forget that Nash's ball dominance hasnt gotten him to a championship let alone the finals. I know this is breaking news but Nash will have to learn to play off of kobe as kobe will have to play off of Nash. I know you guys dont want to hear it but this will not be the Steve Nash show.


Nash has been the engine behind some of the most effective offenses of all time. If given the choice between putting the ball in his hands or Kobe's so he can play like he did last year, I'm living and dying with Steve Nash. Otherwise, if we're just going to turn him into a spot-up shooter, there was no point bringing him here. Besides, if Brown is smart -- which is still up to debate -- Nash is only going to play 30 minutes at most. That leaves PLENTY of time for Kobe to get his. But when they're on the court together, it should be Nash's team to run.
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Re: Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#84 » by iamworthy » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:36 pm

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iamworthy wrote:Ok thats fair but Im not sure how you can mention kobe's historical ball-dominance and not mention kobe's historical success on the court. Alot of things need to happen or the lakers are not going to win a chip no matter what kobe does. I agree that kobe should not have to handle the ball as much, if nothing else because his handles have suffered ever since his pinky injury but Nash needs to change his game as well. Nash is very ball dominant. And while I have been singing Nashes praises since he got here lets not forget that Nash's ball dominance hasnt gotten him to a championship let alone the finals. I know this is breaking news but Nash will have to learn to play off of kobe as kobe will have to play off of Nash. I know you guys dont want to hear it but this will not be the Steve Nash show.


Nash has been the engine behind some of the most effective offenses of all time. If given the choice between putting the ball in his hands or Kobe's so he can play like he did last year, I'm living and dying with Steve Nash. Otherwise, if we're just going to turn him into a spot-up shooter, there was no point bringing him here. Besides, if Brown is smart -- which is still up to debate -- Nash is only going to play 30 minutes at most. That leaves PLENTY of time for Kobe to get his. But when they're on the court together, it should be Nash's team to run.


Agree 100%. Kobe is not a playmaker but has been asked to fill that roll for far too long. But as I mentioned there was some success there. And I too would put the ball in Steve Nashs hand....hell Kobe would too. I believe my first response to this thread " kobe's ideal role with this new roster" was for him to play shooting guard. Not bring the ball up, create the offense, just get open and shoot, or get great post position and score. Kobe's ability to postup needs to be used more but its so hard when you have two bigs down there. And because he's not handling the ball as much his ball dominance will go down. I still think people will cry and complain if Nash is feeding kobe 20-25 easy looks a game. When that happens we'll see if there is a thread criticizing Steve Nash for feeding kobe to much or a kobe shoots too much thread. Im betting the second.
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Re: Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#85 » by Sedale Threatt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:48 pm

If those are good, clean looks, and he's taking them in the flow of the offense, without holding the ball for the defense to recover, and then jab-stepping for five seconds until he launches a contested 20-footer, then that's ideal. I just can't stomach another season like last year.
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Post#86 » by dockingsched » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:55 pm

the issue that i personally have with kobe's season last yr is not so much the results, but the type of shots he took. if you're playing the right way, you live with the results. much like the artest to blake last second shot in the playoffs. i'll take that shot 10 times outta 10 over a kobe iso, tough long jumper. make the right basketball play and no one has a right to complain.
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Post#87 » by iamworthy » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:17 pm

Its going to be a awesome season!
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Post#88 » by AcecardZ » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:54 pm

One other thing Kobe needs to stop doing is coming down and launching 3 point shots from 6 feet beyond the arc with 16 seconds left on the shot clock. HIs percentage on those shots last year was awful. I can't even think of one good justification for them other than maybe he's tired and trying to make a play that conserves energy???
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Re: Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#89 » by Kilroy » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:19 pm

My biggest worry about Kobe's game has evaporated with the Nash Signing I hope...
His handles have been cringe-worthy since his numerous finger/hand/wrist issues... I just hope he pretty much never has to handle the ball in traffic again as long as he's a Laker...

We need to do everything in our power to make sure Nash and Kobe play out their careers together, and that both of them adore the opportunity like a pre-teen with a new fuzzy puppy...
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Re: Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#90 » by Asianiac_24 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:29 pm

Kobe's role with this roster is to find his spots and score with Nash setting him up, and spend much more energy playing defense.
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Post#91 » by Asianiac_24 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:31 pm

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iamworthy wrote:Ok thats fair but Im not sure how you can mention kobe's historical ball-dominance and not mention kobe's historical success on the court. Alot of things need to happen or the lakers are not going to win a chip no matter what kobe does. I agree that kobe should not have to handle the ball as much, if nothing else because his handles have suffered ever since his pinky injury but Nash needs to change his game as well. Nash is very ball dominant. And while I have been singing Nashes praises since he got here lets not forget that Nash's ball dominance hasnt gotten him to a championship let alone the finals. I know this is breaking news but Nash will have to learn to play off of kobe as kobe will have to play off of Nash. I know you guys dont want to hear it but this will not be the Steve Nash show.


Nash has been the engine behind some of the most effective offenses of all time. If given the choice between putting the ball in his hands or Kobe's so he can play like he did last year, I'm living and dying with Steve Nash. Otherwise, if we're just going to turn him into a spot-up shooter, there was no point bringing him here. Besides, if Brown is smart -- which is still up to debate -- Nash is only going to play 30 minutes at most. That leaves PLENTY of time for Kobe to get his. But when they're on the court together, it should be Nash's team to run.


+1. Now we have Nash, I don't see any logical reason whatsoever to have Kobe doing ISO and handling the ball so much.
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Post#92 » by AcecardZ » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:38 pm

Kobe's avulsion fracture and wrist injury before the start of last season were his own fault but many other times I've seen his fingers get mangled by overzealous defenders. Oft times with no fouls being called. One of my biggest pet peeves in all of sports, Kobe haters will laugh at me for saying this, is how often Kobe gets his hands/arms raked with no fouls being called. It's quite annoying really and I'm convinced a significant portion of his hand injuries are a result of those types of plays.

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Re: Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#93 » by XXIV » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:57 pm

AcecardZ wrote:Kobe's avulsion fracture and wrist injury before the start of last season were his own fault but many other times I've seen his fingers get mangled by overzealous defenders. Oft times with no fouls being called. One of my biggest pet peeves in all of sports, Kobe haters will laugh at me for saying this, is how often Kobe gets his hands/arms raked with no fouls being called. It's quite annoying really and I'm convinced a significant portion of his hand injuries are a result of those types of plays.

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Actually one of the injuries was caused by a bad pass to Kobe by Farmar.
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