BAT 8.0 TRADE DISCUSSION (DRAFT IN OTHER THREAD) PART II

[SOUL]

Wolves

Mario "Top 10 Point Guard" (according to himself) Chalmers isn't a bad starter. Jason Kidd will be a good backup for a year or two, afterwards not too sure..

Love Harden, I'm higher on him than a lot of people. He will obviously be your win now and future player with the most impact. Meeks is a gunner off the bench that will have off/on nights.

Piece is getting old but his style isn't really that of being an athletic beast, so I think picking him won't affect you terribly in the future even though his skills will obviously diminish.. still a really good SF. Korver will be annoying to guard with Meeks in the game as well.

Faried is a beast.. I like him and Harden being your future.

KG is like Kidd, will be real good for 2 seasons still.. after that I have no idea. Dalembert in future might not be as good either but he's a solid backup for first few years.

I see your team kind of like the Celtics this year.. contenders for 1 or two years but after that it'll be hard.. you have a mix of both so you're depending on Harden/Faried being super super stars


Warriors

Calderon is a good buffer for Lillard, but I assume you're going to start Lillard after year 1 or even halfway through. Shved is a solid pickup.

I'm high on Beal as well. Think he will be a very good player. Chase Budinger is not a bad backup off the bench at all.. think you're stretching with him playing SG though.

Chandler Parsons is a really nice player, and good defensively as well. Not sure about his ceiling as far as being an all star.. but projects to be an above averaged SF. Richard Jefferson is meh, decent bench fodder.

Anthony Davis should be a future star. Thompson is a great backup. Easily your best depth position.

C is solid as well. Asik will hold down the paint, Val and Leonard are for the future and at least one will pan out IMO.

Frank is meh for me, but not a horrible coach.

Won't be competing year 1, year 2 will be lumps and then 3-5 I think you will have a shot at having the best team.

Trailblazers

Lin is a good pick. Will sell out every night in the Rose Garden and the fans will pump him up.. which I think will be an underrated advantage.. Terry is not a bad backup but will probably be not very useful in 4-5 years. Not sure he can play PG as good as some others that may still be available, but good as a backup SG.

Mayo will have his chance to score on this team which is welcoming for him. I think he's a solid pickup for a team like this.

Batum is good as well, I like the composition that you have with these players, would play well with each other IMO. Green is decent off the bench and will score.

Lin/Blake will be electric. Really digging the team.

Noah will hustle his ass off, Gooden is solid off the bench but will get worked by some other centers if he's gonna play there.

I really like your team, have solid win now and future projection. Also will probably be the most entertaining..


Mavericks

Horford and Dirk is a damn good frontcourt. Should cause a lot of problems. Mahinmi/Brown/Smith are not the best but that's a lot of hard fouls to go around and length when it comes to Mahinmi, definitely could be worse.

Delfino can score… not high on him cause he's never been a good shooter (never shot over 41 percent) but he can score..

Joe Johnson is good. Again, not huge on his game but he can play. A lot of firepower on your squad. Devin Harris is solid as well, but will get absolutely wrecked by bigger guards.

Raymond/Udrih is a good PG composition. Honestly might be tempted to start Udrih with that team, but Raymond is alright. I feel like this tandem will be outdated by year 2 when all of the really good PG's are in their prime

Obviously will be in playoffs, imo has a 2 year window to do something until you're out of it.

Pacers

I like Roy, he's gotten better every year and he has size like a mofo. Has potential to be a top C in the future. Jason Thompson a solid big off the bench.

Pau is a good ying to Roy's yang. Good pairing.

MWP can't shoot worth crap anymore, and his defense is on the slide, so I'm not huge on him as much, Wright is a good SF that will and probably should start over him after this year.

Thabo is a solid defensive/spot up shooter. Ginobili will beast off the bench.

Nash will be helpful for about 2-3 more years, after that not sure. I like him with some of your bench players more than your starting lineup, think he'd do better with certain players in the game. Jimmer is not done yet. Hasn't looked great but having Nash in front to mentor is not the worst thing.

Brown will be good defensively, hopefully Nash can make up for his offensive woes.

Kings

Dwight obviously is Dwight. Will be great. Wright is athletic off the bench but eh.. he's mediocre, and that's bordering.

I'd start Blair next to Dwight. That's a lot of muscle they have to deal with. Jamison would be a good 7th man off the bench, since you have a couple of wings that can shoot. I understand what you're doing with the lineup though.

Chandler and Dwight are a dope team. Good defensively and he can shoot as well. Brewer is spotty when it comes to playing well.

Lamb is yet to be soon but he's looked good. Beli can score off the bench.

PG position is solid. Small as hell though and might get bullied, but Conley is good.

Monty is a decent coach.

I think your team is going to rely more on Lamb than you think.. if he becomes great, your team can be contenders year in and year out.. if not, then I don't think it will be enough somebody said the west is stacked so yeah. If anything, your team should be competitive every year.. don't see any really old people besides Jamison. I also think the bench could be better. Really hard to judge on your team TBH, I feel like I could be completely wrong either way.


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[moocow007]

Moo,kwame Jason smith or beno for your current pick same to you kneega

Sorry...didn't see your post until after I picked.

PS: To anyone offering me a PG in a trade...don't really need a backup PG...West and Evans can (and will) both play PG...and now I have a point forward type in Terrence Williams. If I really want another PG I can always draft a old vet PG in FA.

[moocow007]

I have a physical, athletic, intense, defensively strong and aggressive bench that I can switch in and out with more offensively geared starters. As long as they (the bench guys) don't implode I should be in great shape.

[Blue Ninja]

Warriors

Calderon is a good buffer for Lillard, but I assume you're going to start Lillard after year 1 or even halfway through. Shved is a solid pickup.

I'm high on Beal as well. Think he will be a very good player. Chase Budinger is not a bad backup off the bench at all.. think you're stretching with him playing SG though.

Chandler Parsons is a really nice player, and good defensively as well. Not sure about his ceiling as far as being an all star.. but projects to be an above averaged SF. Richard Jefferson is meh, decent bench fodder.

Anthony Davis should be a future star. Thompson is a great backup. Easily your best depth position.

C is solid as well. Asik will hold down the paint, Val and Leonard are for the future and at least one will pan out IMO.

Frank is meh for me, but not a horrible coach.

Won't be competing year 1, year 2 will be lumps and then 3-5 I think you will have a shot at having the best team.

Thanks. I know my team is tough to analyze to due all the young players, but you did a good job. I agree with your analysis. Im going to also have a lot of salary cap in two years (the year Im hoping to make some moves). Im going to be going for a superstar or two via trade and free agency that year. My team should be a very attractive option for superstars and for teams who have a disgruntled star.

Jose will be my starter all year this year and next year my point guard rotation will be Lillard(starter) and Shved.

Only part I disagree is Frank Vogel. Third in coach of the year voting and turned around the Pacers immediately. Very good player manager, developer and focuses on defense. Pick and roll offense also fits my style.

Thanks again for your time.

[WillyJakkz]

Whatever the rules are is what I'll do BUT is it fair (clearly I wanted Okur) BUT that is a huge name drop/ selection of a quality young player who fell far in the draft who may have been selected AFTER my Okur pick HAD THEY KNOWN HE WAS AVAILABLE.

So is that fair to the other GM's and also, I know blueninja is just trying to help but at the same time, posting who is and who is not available to pick and who needs to repick is kinda "messing things up" as apparently there was another debate about a player being picked who was or was not eligible and though the GM provided rules he repicked, another GM said he didn't think Okur was eligible either so I repicked instead of going thru drama.

But as stated, I selected someone who very well may have been picked by other GM's had they known he was actually available which I personally would be upset about if I had to settle for option B when I coulda had option A.

Just my $.02

I know Blue meant well. He's helped this draft from DAY ONE! However, hearsay- reports-etc... are not definitive. Therefore, Okur stays a nugget....

With that said boys in the future just email me when there's an issue so we can review it and be certain before we switch players and name drop etc...

No big deal, in life, in BAT- **** happens... Lets move on...

I understand that but also I can't front, I had a suspicion that you wanted Lavoy Allen to go back into the pool so you could draft him simply because of your response, something about the message and you having an empty PF slot and I can't lie cause I gotta keep it real cause you my kneega but that doesn't come across as very cool.

I've never seen you w/ out hesitation be so quick to make a call, whereas usually you'll try to come to some form of agreement or a reconciliation but not w/ this and it just comes across as "fishy" that you'd draft the guy you want back in the draft.

And I'm being brutally honest about that homie.

[Context]

Whatever the rules are is what I'll do BUT is it fair (clearly I wanted Okur) BUT that is a huge name drop/ selection of a quality young player who fell far in the draft who may have been selected AFTER my Okur pick HAD THEY KNOWN HE WAS AVAILABLE.

So is that fair to the other GM's and also, I know blueninja is just trying to help but at the same time, posting who is and who is not available to pick and who needs to repick is kinda "messing things up" as apparently there was another debate about a player being picked who was or was not eligible and though the GM provided rules he repicked, another GM said he didn't think Okur was eligible either so I repicked instead of going thru drama.

But as stated, I selected someone who very well may have been picked by other GM's had they known he was actually available which I personally would be upset about if I had to settle for option B when I coulda had option A.

Just my $.02

I know Blue meant well. He's helped this draft from DAY ONE! However, hearsay- reports-etc... are not definitive. Therefore, Okur stays a nugget....

With that said boys in the future just email me when there's an issue so we can review it and be certain before we switch players and name drop etc...

No big deal, in life, in BAT- **** happens... Lets move on...

I understand that but also I can't front, I had a suspicion that you wanted Lavoy Allen to go back into the pool so you could draft him simply because of your response, something about the message and you having an empty PF slot and I can't lie cause I gotta keep it real cause you my kneega but that doesn't come across as very cool.

I've never seen you w/ out hesitation be so quick to make a call, whereas usually you'll try to come to some form of agreement or a reconciliation but not w/ this and it just comes across as "fishy" that you'd draft the guy you want back in the draft.

And I'm being brutally honest about that homie.

He was on my board... I was going to go coach first but when I saw your reaction even after you said Mem was your first choice. I said to myself there is no way he will last so I went with him... Regardless, you selected mem, he was eligible and it was unfair (even though it wasnt your intention or fault) for you to be able to switch a player after you drafted one to the rest of the gm's... Remember "Rudy fernandez" in the orl draft? the gm had to keep him even thought he SIGNED with a euro club- in this scenario mem hasnt been confirmed to retire or sign...

[Smoke24]

Ok team complete, no coach though. How do you guys like my team, tried to go in a different direction this BAT.

[LJ4pointplay]

Mavericks

Horford and Dirk is a damn good frontcourt. Should cause a lot of problems. Mahinmi/Brown/Smith are not the best but that's a lot of hard fouls to go around and length when it comes to Mahinmi, definitely could be worse.

Delfino can score… not high on him cause he's never been a good shooter (never shot over 41 percent) but he can score..

Joe Johnson is good. Again, not huge on his game but he can play. A lot of firepower on your squad. Devin Harris is solid as well, but will get absolutely wrecked by bigger guards.

Raymond/Udrih is a good PG composition. Honestly might be tempted to start Udrih with that team, but Raymond is alright. I feel like this tandem will be outdated by year 2 when all of the really good PG's are in their prime

Obviously will be in playoffs, imo has a 2 year window to do something until you're out of it.

Thanks,.. I think we see eye to eye with most of this. Will defend Joe Johnson though.. he is not only good, but very very good. Bad contract, but how can someone dislike his game? He does everything well. Rebound, pass, score, defend. He is a 10 scorer easy (not checking stats, but skill wise). He can shoot, create for himself and others, drive.. and for the first time in a long time he doesn't have to carry his team's offense on his back as he is a second option behind Dirk (another top 10 scorer who is able to create for himself and others).

edit: I like the blog.. seems interesting, will have to check it out more in depth later..

[TDJacksonville]

team and Coach filled. Updated sig. now to wait for Free agent Signing period.

i would like some thoughts besides the whole ariza at sg thing.

[br7knicks]

Mavericks

Horford and Dirk is a damn good frontcourt. Should cause a lot of problems. Mahinmi/Brown/Smith are not the best but that's a lot of hard fouls to go around and length when it comes to Mahinmi, definitely could be worse.

Delfino can score… not high on him cause he's never been a good shooter (never shot over 41 percent) but he can score..

Joe Johnson is good. Again, not huge on his game but he can play. A lot of firepower on your squad. Devin Harris is solid as well, but will get absolutely wrecked by bigger guards.

Raymond/Udrih is a good PG composition. Honestly might be tempted to start Udrih with that team, but Raymond is alright. I feel like this tandem will be outdated by year 2 when all of the really good PG's are in their prime

Obviously will be in playoffs, imo has a 2 year window to do something until you're out of it.

Thanks,.. I think we see eye to eye with most of this. Will defend Joe Johnson though.. he is not only good, but very very good. Bad contract, but how can someone dislike his game? He does everything well. Rebound, pass, score, defend. He is a 10 scorer easy (not checking stats, but skill wise). He can shoot, create for himself and others, drive.. and for the first time in a long time he doesn't have to carry his team's offense on his back as he is a second option behind Dirk (another top 10 scorer who is able to create for himself and others).

edit: I like the blog.. seems interesting, will have to check it out more in depth later..

i responded back to ya. sorry, i had to go talk to someone at the school about coaching basketball this year

[moocow007]

Come on, I want to pick again by tomorrow sometime!!!

[moocow007]

Wait...so is Okur 307 or is Lavoy Allen 307 again?

[WillyJakkz]

I know Blue meant well. He's helped this draft from DAY ONE! However, hearsay- reports-etc... are not definitive. Therefore, Okur stays a nugget....

With that said boys in the future just email me when there's an issue so we can review it and be certain before we switch players and name drop etc...

No big deal, in life, in BAT- **** happens... Lets move on...

I understand that but also I can't front, I had a suspicion that you wanted Lavoy Allen to go back into the pool so you could draft him simply because of your response, something about the message and you having an empty PF slot and I can't lie cause I gotta keep it real cause you my kneega but that doesn't come across as very cool.

I've never seen you w/ out hesitation be so quick to make a call, whereas usually you'll try to come to some form of agreement or a reconciliation but not w/ this and it just comes across as "fishy" that you'd draft the guy you want back in the draft.

And I'm being brutally honest about that homie.

He was on my board... I was going to go coach first but when I saw your reaction even after you said Mem was your first choice. I said to myself there is no way he will last so I went with him... Regardless, you selected mem, he was eligible and it was unfair (even though it wasnt your intention or fault) for you to be able to switch a player after you drafted one to the rest of the gm's... Remember "Rudy fernandez" in the orl draft? the gm had to keep him even thought he SIGNED with a euro club- in this scenario mem hasnt been confirmed to retire or sign...

Yes I remember the Rudy Fernandez thing and that was different because I knew he was overseas but the GM who drafted him didn't. I'm not sloppy like that lol but the point I'm making is clearly I wanted Okur BUT w/ a couple of bigs (Turiaf, Petro etc) or even other GM's who picked AFTER 11:09am when I repicked may have wanted him if anything as trade asset if not for their roster and then for you to be so adamant about him going back into the draft then selecting him doesn't come across as legit.

I've seen you do a great job as Commissioner at handling differences of trying to find common ground but not on this one right here.

And as stated I clearly wanted Okur and would rather have him and IF he goes to Europe so be it, I don't belive he will that's why I picked him because unlike Rudy, he hasn't signed quickly at all which makes me think it's a salary ploy.

I'm just thinking about the GM's who went after me and how it may have affected them, just trying to have fair principles for everyone across the board, I'm trying to look out for them.

You want Allen, take him, cool w/ me BUT as stated if I were a GM and had wanted Allen but seen he was picked, I'd be rather upset if I had to pick someone else ONLY to have Allen re-enter the draft and I missed out on him cause of some bull.

[LJ4pointplay]

Bucks and Mavs have agreed to a deal

Jason Smith to Bucks

321 to Mavs

[CoolKids]

Patty mills is your starting point guard?

[br7knicks]

lol agreed. the bucks welcome back mr. smith

[TDJacksonville]

Wait...so is Okur 307 or is Lavoy Allen 307 again?

appears Okur is 307

[br7knicks]

Bucks and Mavs have agreed to a deal

Jason Smith to Bucks

321 to Mavs

agreed

[CANiLIVE]

Ok team complete, no coach though. How do you guys like my team, tried to go in a different direction this BAT.

Mills is not a starter, Kendall Marshall would be a way better fit. He has better court vision and he much more of a pure PG.

[br7knicks]

that being done.

Jared Jeffries available for one of the 10-15 upcoming picks.