BAT 8.0 TRADE DISCUSSION (DRAFT IN OTHER THREAD) PART II

[Blue Ninja]

I thought that Rip was a steal but no where near the level you are making him out to be. He's solid, but has been declining in talent every year and has missed a ton of games in the last 4 years (played 80 games only twice early on his career). Being old, declining, injury prone isn't someone who goes 4th round. Its someone who goes 9th round. So you did got a steal at the 11th round, but no where near the caliber of player you are making him out to be. More of a name player then anything.

[br7knicks]

i projected him between late 8th to mid 10th.

[AllanHoustonFan]

I thought that Rip was a steal but no where near the level you are making him out to be. He's solid, but has been declining in talent every year and has missed a ton of games in the last 4 years (played 80 games only twice early on his career). Being old, declining, injury prone isn't someone who goes 4th round. Its someone who goes 9th round. So you did got a steal at the 11th round, but no where near the caliber of player you are making him out to be. More of a name player then anything.

+100. You guys are making Rip to be more than he is at this point in his career.

[br7knicks]

I thought that Rip was a steal but no where near the level you are making him out to be. He's solid, but has been declining in talent every year and has missed a ton of games in the last 4 years (played 80 games only twice early on his career). Being old, declining, injury prone isn't someone who goes 4th round. Its someone who goes 9th round. So you did got a steal at the 11th round, but no where near the caliber of player you are making him out to be. More of a name player then anything.

+100. You guys are making Rip to be more than he is at this point in his career.

yeah, he went 6th or 7th in our last one, so i figured he'd be a little later than that. i think he's a steal at this point, but not a 3/4/5/6th rounder

i'd still put allen ahead of RIP, but it's all about the team fit as well

[moocow007]

Hamilton's age alone isn't the concern (he's generally been known to be someone that takes care of himself and a lot of his game is based on craftiness rather than athleticism), it's his propensity for picking up nagging injuries last season that's the biggest risk. At this point, even without the injuries, he's probably best as a 6th or 7th man (if that). It's something that he even admitted to in an interview last season. 11th round is a steal...he's probably more of a 7th/8th-10th rounder. If the goal was a starter, the guy Willy picked, Salmons is the better choice...for a backup Hamilton is better (more willing to accept the role all of the bench).

[CANiLIVE]

I thought that Rip was a steal but no where near the level you are making him out to be. He's solid, but has been declining in talent every year and has missed a ton of games in the last 4 years (played 80 games only twice early on his career). Being old, declining, injury prone isn't someone who goes 4th round. Its someone who goes 9th round. So you did got a steal at the 11th round, but no where near the caliber of player you are making him out to be. More of a name player then anything.

+100. You guys are making Rip to be more than he is at this point in his career.

+1 his name has shock value, he is no where near as good as he was in the early 2000's. His game has been falling for the past 5 years. I don't understand the whole steal thing. He was a good pick up.

[Blue Ninja]

i projected him between late 8th to mid 10th.

Had him in the same range.

[LJ4pointplay]

I thought that Rip was a steal but no where near the level you are making him out to be. He's solid, but has been declining in talent every year and has missed a ton of games in the last 4 years (played 80 games only twice early on his career). Being old, declining, injury prone isn't someone who goes 4th round. Its someone who goes 9th round. So you did got a steal at the 11th round, but no where near the caliber of player you are making him out to be. More of a name player then anything.

4th might be a bit overstated, and not saying he should have gone that early, but that if someone took him in the 5th or 6th, no one would have been surprised. He also was never an injury prone player.. played 71 games or more 9 out of his first 10 seasons. Over the last 4 seasons he's missed some time, but keep in mind 2 years ago his time missed was due to a dispute with his coach, not injuries. He's really only missed 15+ games due to injury twice in his 14 year career (last year, and 09-10).

With that said, he's obviously older, more prone to injury as a result, and on the decline. Still a starting caliber player though, started for the Bulls last year. Much closer to a 5th round talent than an 11th round talent. Like I said, I'd take him over Ray Allen at this point (matter of preference) and Ray went 1st pick of 5th round.

[Knicksfan20]

edit: I mixed 2 teams up. This post is pointless.

[ezmoney707]

I thought that Rip was a steal but no where near the level you are making him out to be. He's solid, but has been declining in talent every year and has missed a ton of games in the last 4 years (played 80 games only twice early on his career). Being old, declining, injury prone isn't someone who goes 4th round. Its someone who goes 9th round. So you did got a steal at the 11th round, but no where near the caliber of player you are making him out to be. More of a name player then anything.

+100. You guys are making Rip to be more than he is at this point in his career.

Yeah this point he has good value. He's just not a great fit with a lot of teams at this point of his career. So i see why he dropped this low.

[LJ4pointplay]

I thought that Rip was a steal but no where near the level you are making him out to be. He's solid, but has been declining in talent every year and has missed a ton of games in the last 4 years (played 80 games only twice early on his career). Being old, declining, injury prone isn't someone who goes 4th round. Its someone who goes 9th round. So you did got a steal at the 11th round, but no where near the caliber of player you are making him out to be. More of a name player then anything.

+100. You guys are making Rip to be more than he is at this point in his career.

+1 his name has shock value, he is no where near as good as he was in the early 2000's. His game has been falling for the past 5 years. I don't understand the whole steal thing.

Yeah, he'd be a first rounder if this was the early 2000s. He's still a starting caliber player.

[Knicksfan20]

I thought that Rip was a steal but no where near the level you are making him out to be. He's solid, but has been declining in talent every year and has missed a ton of games in the last 4 years (played 80 games only twice early on his career). Being old, declining, injury prone isn't someone who goes 4th round. Its someone who goes 9th round. So you did got a steal at the 11th round, but no where near the caliber of player you are making him out to be. More of a name player then anything.

+100. You guys are making Rip to be more than he is at this point in his career.

+1 his name has shock value, he is no where near as good as he was in the early 2000's. His game has been falling for the past 5 years. I don't understand the whole steal thing.

Hes still a very servicable player and a pain in the ass to have to guard on defense. Good passer, good defender...Good shooter.

Last season was also a lock out season. Rip at this stage of the game, is a huge steal.

[moocow007]

Hamilton was a potential option for me in the 9th or 10th rounds depending on who went and what guys fell. I'd probably have looked to take him instead of Terrence Williams if I still had Kwame (who is minimally useful offensively) instead of Motiejunas (offensively enabled especially shooting wise). I would have looked for Hamilton for his veteran presence, his smarts and his ability to put up 13-14 points a night off the bench.

[Blue Ninja]

4th might be a bit overstated, and not saying he should have gone that early, but that if someone took him in the 5th or 6th, no one would have been surprised. He also was never an injury prone player.. played 71 games or more 9 out of his first 10 seasons. Over the last 4 seasons he's missed some time, but keep in mind 2 years ago his time missed was due to a dispute with his coach, not injuries. He's really only missed 15+ games due to injury twice in his 14 year career (last year, and 09-10).

With that said, he's obviously older, more prone to injury as a result, and on the decline. Still a starting caliber player though, started for the Bulls last year. Much closer to a 5th round talent than an 11th round talent. Like I said, I'd take him over Ray Allen at this point (matter of preference) and Ray went 1st pick of 5th round.

I disagree that hes a starting caliber player though. The Bulls had a serious SG problem if you remember correctly. They were starting Keith Bogans. They had to get someone (anyone) to fill that need.

[moocow007]

+100. You guys are making Rip to be more than he is at this point in his career.

+1 his name has shock value, he is no where near as good as he was in the early 2000's. His game has been falling for the past 5 years. I don't understand the whole steal thing.

Yeah, he'd be a first rounder if this was the early 2000s. He's still a starting caliber player.

I think for your team he's fine as a starter. You have a lot of guards or guys that can play guard that can score so you really don't need to rely on Hamilton to put up 18-20 points. What he can give you from a defense, passing, midrange shooting and ability to work the opposing defense (Hamilton is none stop moving without the ball) is great.

[br7knicks]

when (if) i make my next pick soon, i'd like a critique from someone. i asked back when i had an 8 man rotation, but no one has answered

[br7knicks]

I disagree that hes a starting caliber player though. The Bulls had a serious SG problem if you remember correctly. They were starting Keith Bogans. They had to get someone (anyone) to fill that need.

i think he'd be ok as a starter depending on the team (although not the same role, Sefalosha comes in mind). they start him over harden at SG.

[Blue Ninja]

I think for your team he's fine as a starter. You have a lot of guards or guys that can play guard that can score so you really don't need to rely on Hamilton to put up 18-20 points. What he can give you from a defense, passing, midrange shooting and ability to work the opposing defense (Hamilton is none stop moving without the ball) is great.

I agree with this. Although I dont view him as starting caliber, he'd fit well with your starters. Should be starting Felton though.

[AllanHoustonFan]

when (if) i make my next pick soon, i'd like a critique from someone. i asked back when i had an 8 man rotation, but no one has answered

Just realized you got Brandon Roy. You got the sleeper pick of the whole draft.

[Blue Ninja]

I disagree that hes a starting caliber player though. The Bulls had a serious SG problem if you remember correctly. They were starting Keith Bogans. They had to get someone (anyone) to fill that need.

i think he'd be ok as a starter depending on the team (although not the same role, Sefalosha comes in mind). they start him over harden at SG.

I agree.