BAT 8.0 TRADE DISCUSSION (DRAFT IN OTHER THREAD) PART II

br7knicks · Post #1521 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:40 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:maybe 1 on 1 Markieff will be a decent option, but in terms of rebounding against legit 7 foot 260 guys or contesting penetrators.

But if Purp can play spot mins at Center, then i guess Markieff can as well.

yeah, same with jared jeffries.

but a 35% 3 point shooter. man, put hickson at C and let morris open it up from the outside

Fury · Post #1522 » by **Fury** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:40 pm

Markieff has a bigger big man type of game than Purp. Markieff is more like Kurt Thomas.

TDJacksonville · Post #1523 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:42 pm

br7knicks wrote:i'll bet you dahntay jones for my 362 pick that he got more playing time at SF than C

Post #1524 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:42 pm

br7knicks wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:maybe 1 on 1 Markieff will be a decent option, but in terms of rebounding against legit 7 foot 260 guys or contesting penetrators.

But if Purp can play spot mins at Center, then i guess Markieff can as well.

yeah, same with jared jeffries.

but a 35% 3 point shooter. man, put hickson at C and let morris open it up from the outside

this is just there defensive assignments...Morris is a better post defender and can deal with taller guys than hickson.

On offense my second unit will be running a lot of P&R with Sessions and Hickson with Miller and Morris stretching the floor and Johnson slashing to the hoop.

TDJacksonville · Post #1525 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:44 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:Vucevic, Udoh. while ur playing him 15 mins Howards gonna stay in and Punish you

Udoh is a defensive guy, he has no low post game and is 6'10 while morris even though listed at 6'10 is probbaly more 6'9. I have no concerns that Morris wont be able to guard and box out Udoh. And Vucevic???? really

Yes. Vucievic has that Pau Gasol Like game :wink:

hell im willing to say a certain 2 Eddy Curry whos Still Available and will be available in Free Agency can beat him at center.

br7knicks · Post #1526 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:45 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:maybe 1 on 1 Markieff will be a decent option, but in terms of rebounding against legit 7 foot 260 guys or contesting penetrators.

But if Purp can play spot mins at Center, then i guess Markieff can as well.

yeah, same with jared jeffries.

but a 35% 3 point shooter. man, put hickson at C and let morris open it up from the outside

this is just there defensive assignments...Morris is a better post defender and can deal with taller guys than hickson.

On offense my second unit will be running a lot of P&R with Sessions and Hickson with Miller and Morris stretching the floor and Johnson slashing to the hoop.

ah, i get ya. that's a nice backup unit

Knicksfan20 · Post #1527 » by **Knicksfan20** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:45 pm

I think Markieff would struggle against Nikola. Nikola has a good 3-4 inches on him and he also has scoring ability inside and from mid range.

Post #1528 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:46 pm

br7knicks wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:
Occasional at center really bro cuz his pT sure Seems to say SF and PF alot more than C.
4%-45%-O%

his Twin 0-3-0

He also played on the Suns who had a lot of guys listed at C that could play anywhere else. Gortat and Lopez can't play anywhere else but Center. And also if guys like Frye and Jeffries can get 10-15 minutes Markieff sure can get 10-15 minutes at the center position in a backup role.

yeah, that's essentially what i just posted before, while you were probably writing this. i'm not saying he can't play C, i just think it'd be better if you put someone that had a lot more time at C to be there (Hickson played majority of 08-09 and 10-11 at C), then put Morris as your stretch 4.

My thought process is that most benches are smaller and play a fast pace type game. There aren't many back to the basket centers in the league especially off the bench. I think I will be better off using Marfieff at center and the quicker Hickson at PF.

Post #1529 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:48 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:I think Markieff would struggle against Nikola. Nikola has a good 3-4 inches on him and he also has scoring ability inside and from mid range.

He may have some struggles with him because of the 3 inches in height but is Vucevic even in your rotation? I think Pachulia doesn't have as much of an offensive game to give Morris that much trouble which is why I think as a backup center he should have no problem playing 15 minutes a game.

Post #1530 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:53 pm

TDJacksonville wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:Vucevic, Udoh. while ur playing him 15 mins Howards gonna stay in and Punish you

Udoh is a defensive guy, he has no low post game and is 6'10 while morris even though listed at 6'10 is probbaly more 6'9. I have no concerns that Morris wont be able to guard and box out Udoh. And Vucevic???? really

Yes. Vucievic has that Pau Gasol Like game

hell im willing to say a certain 2 Eddy Curry whos Still Available and will be available in Free Agency can beat him at center.

Im not saying Markieff is going to shut down the opposition but I can do a lot of things. My second unit is a good rebounding unit. Hickson, Johnson, and Miller are all plus rebounders for there position and Morris is a solid guy, good post defender and should be able to hold his own.

Like I said if Monroe gets in foul trouble and Morris has to guard guys like Howard and Bynum 1 on 1 then good god yes I will have trouble. I will have to do some doubling but a lot of teams have to do that vs those guys.

br7knicks · Post #1531 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:55 pm

i'd still like dahntay jones

CANiLIVE · Post #1532 » by **CANiLIVE** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:58 pm

1st) a lottery pick is almost always Assured of Being atleast a rotational Player unless ur Fran Vazquez(name drop on an Not allowed to pick guy).

2nd) Nash isnt a star anymore. His defense makes Hedos defense look All-defensive team. the only reason a team would sign him is just for his name and passing but other than that hes pretty much washed up. i know atleast 2-3 teams that werent insterested in Nash Including the Magic, u got the Bulls, Bobcats, Cavs, etc... all who didnt want him. the only team that had a good need for PG was the Fakers.

now back to calderon yes hes a Better Pure PG but both have bad defense and Jose can only run the Pick and roll and thats all on offense. Calderon Isnt an elite PG nor has he ever been Elite. u could make the case for Earlier in his career he was good or above average but he is on the decline just like Nelson

1) there are a bunch on lottery players that can barely hang on to a team, I can name countless.

2). Nash was a allstar last year and almost pushed the suns to the playoffs on his back, come on bobcats? Cavs? Bulls? Magic? He wanted a chance to start and play for a ring, do I have to say why all those teams you named make no sense?

3) nobody said jose was elite, I said a avg pg does not put up 9 dimes a game. I think he's a top half pg. He can only run pick and rolls? So jose can't run set plays? Since when?

Knicksfan20 · Post #1533 » by **Knicksfan20** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 7:58 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:I think Markieff would struggle against Nikola. Nikola has a good 3-4 inches on him and he also has scoring ability inside and from mid range.

He may have some struggles with him because of the 3 inches in height but is Vucevic even in your rotation? I think Pachulia doesn't have as much of an offensive game to give Morris that much trouble which is why I think as a backup center he should have no problem playing 15 minutes a game.

Maybe not this season. But im open to trading Zaza potentially which would free up minutes.

But Zaza isnt my future at the position, he is what he is. Tough, hard nose, smart defensvie player. I value that off the bench definatly, and although Nikola is good and probably deservent of minutes, i just dont trust his youth yet vs Pachulia whos a grown ass man.

Also its nice to know that i have a young capable big who can come in and play minutes if Bynum or Zaza get injured or something.

Nikola was picked to be my future PF when TD retires. And i have a great backup in Zaza, so i dont feel the need to rush him in the rotation quite yet.

TDJacksonville · Post #1534 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:04 pm

waiting for MPH team to be finished so i can sim against him and win

TDJacksonville · Post #1535 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:08 pm

if yall can Set ur Minutes Next to ur Players in the roster thread so i can Sim ya a few games

Post #1536 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:10 pm

TDJacksonville wrote:waiting for MPH team to be finished so i can sim against him and win

fair enough but can i set my defense up to run some zone at least.

br7knicks · Post #1537 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:11 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:waiting for MPH team to be finished so i can sim against him and win

fair enough but can i set my defense up to run some zone at least.

TDJacksonville · Post #1538 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:15 pm

br7knicks wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:waiting for MPH team to be finished so i can sim against him and win

fair enough but can i set my defense up to run some zone at least.

ill see wat i can do for ya on that

TDJacksonville · Post #1539 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:19 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:waiting for MPH team to be finished so i can sim against him and win

fair enough but can i set my defense up to run some zone at least.

gotta wait till u pick 373 up anyway cuz i cant have the game sim out with an 11 man team without putting BS player in

Post #1540 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 8:23 pm

TDJacksonville wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
TDJacksonville wrote:waiting for MPH team to be finished so i can sim against him and win

fair enough but can i set my defense up to run some zone at least.

gotta wait till u pick 373 up anyway cuz i cant have the game sim out with an 11 man team without putting BS player in

cool hopefully it will go soon I have an idea who I want to go with though.

all i know is am going to blitz and collapse those pick and roles with Jennings and Gortat and if Ariza, Wallace, and Humphries decide to make jumpers well...