Official Training Camp Thread

[LUKE23]

Ted is an idiot for not picking up a nuisance/washed up player to add to a team that thrives on not having off-field distractions. Great logic.

Don't think anyone said that. Ayt's was sarcasm.

[Kerb Hohl]

Ted is an idiot for not picking up a nuisance/washed up player to add to a team that thrives on not having off-field distractions. Great logic.

Don't think anyone said that. Ayt's was sarcasm.

Yeah, picked up on Ayt's. I guess these might not be so severe...

If TT doens't at least kick the tires on this he's (Please Use More Appropriate Word) metally challenged

McKinnie sucks

Compared to what we have though

[eagle13]

I don't want McKinnie but Sherrod is no lock to solve LT. IF coaches weren't so stuck - at the start of OTA's Bulaga should have moved to LT and Newhouse to RT where he could have some help from TE. With all the reps at OTAs & camp in this configuration both Bulaga & Newhouse would be settled in by now. Oh well. Next year. This year we'll get by w/ Newhouse but he'll give up some painful sacks & penalties. Sherrod won't be ready until week 8 or 9 and even then rusty as heck. If we're lucky Rodgers survives and Sherrod settles in for last couple regular season games & the playoffs. Bulaga is clearly our best OT and he should be on the Left as planned when drafted.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Why would a "reasonable" contract for Rodgers be 25% more than anybody else has ever gotten?

Plus, my gut feeling with Aaron is that he'll want to get paid in that top tier of quarterbacks, but winning is so important to him that he won't hold out for such a monster contract that he feels could end up restricting the Packers chances to keep key players that help the Packers stay an elite team.

I cringe every time I hear that. People said that about Brett and love of the game but yet he admitted it ball came down to money. The Saints resurrected Brees career and they have all kinds of contract issues. Even Lebron didn't take less money when he went to win with the Heat. He ended up with the Cavs max plus extra endorsements and the income tax break. In the end, top players want top money. It's part ego and part competition. There's no doubt in my mind Rodgers is going to try be the highest paid player. He is extremely competitive and feel he deserves every penny.

[eagle13]

I cringe every time I hear that. People said that about Brett and love of the game but yet he admitted it ball came down to money. The Saints resurrected Brees career and they have all kinds of contract issues. Even Lebron didn't take less money when he went to win with the Heat. He ended up with the Cavs max plus extra endorsements and the income tax break. In the end, top players want top money. It's part ego and part competition. There's no doubt in my mind Rodgers is going to try be the highest paid player. He is extremely competitive and feel he deserves every penny.

I disagree with the $ part. I believe he'll accept being paid less than what he could command.

[emunney]

He is going to get the most player favorable contract in the history of the league whenever he extends, I have very little doubt about that. I just think people thinking he's going to get 25m/per when only one player has ever gotten 20 is kind of ridiculous. You can beat that contract in a token fashion without disadvantaging your team.

[El Duderino]

Why would a "reasonable" contract for Rodgers be 25% more than anybody else has ever gotten?

Plus, my gut feeling with Aaron is that he'll want to get paid in that top tier of quarterbacks, but winning is so important to him that he won't hold out for such a monster contract that he feels could end up restricting the Packers chances to keep key players that help the Packers stay an elite team.

I cringe every time I hear that. People said that about Brett and love of the game but yet he admitted it ball came down to money. The Saints resurrected Brees career and they have all kinds of contract issues. Even Lebron didn't take less money when he went to win with the Heat. He ended up with the Cavs max plus extra endorsements and the income tax break. In the end, top players want top money. It's part ego and part competition. There's no doubt in my mind Rodgers is going to try be the highest paid player. He is extremely competitive and feel he deserves every penny.

I wasn't implying that Rodgers won't get a contract making him the highest paid player. What i was saying is i just don't see him driving super hard to get every last possible dollar like i think some in his position would.

[LUKE23]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_ ... to-improve

I asked Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers that question during a training camp interview last month. Rodgers had already suggested the Packers would be a better team in 2012, even if it wasn't reflected in their record. (It's difficult, of course, to get to 16 victories when you're already at 15.) Rodgers noted the Packers' efforts to increase their energy level, but he also noted that coaches threw down an early-camp gauntlet of statistics to demonstrate the Packers' room for growth.

According to Rodgers, players have seen where the 2011 team ranked both offensively and defensively against the past four Super Bowl champions in a number of subtle but important categories. As best as I could tell, they include:

Third-down percentage
Red zone touchdown percentage
Red zone touchdowns
Goal-to-go touchdown percentage


I haven't seen the charts that Rodgers referred to, but I've tried to re-create them the best I could in this post. Many thanks to Matt Willis of ESPN Stats & Information for the research and to blog editor Dan Jung, who formatted the charts as you see them. I have a number of thoughts, as I'm sure you will as well. But generally speaking, you can see there has been at least one team that exceeded or nearly matched the Packers' 2011 offensive production in each category. Meanwhile, the charts provide a more nuanced analysis of where the Packers fell short defensively last season than simply the passing yards they allowed.

[emunney]

I still don't think Hargrove would have made the team fwiw.

[Badgerlander]

I still don't think Hargrove would have made the team fwiw.

Yeah his FG kicking skills have clearly fallen off

[eagle13]

IF it had not been for suspension I think Hargrove beats out Merling but not by enough to now make the change (of re-signing Hargrove & cutting Merling) since its done.

[crkone]

Hargrove was playing worse than Muir, Wynn, Guy, and Merling in camp. He was just louder.

[Ill-yasova]

I cringe every time I hear that. People said that about Brett and love of the game but yet he admitted it ball came down to money. The Saints resurrected Brees career and they have all kinds of contract issues. Even Lebron didn't take less money when he went to win with the Heat. He ended up with the Cavs max plus extra endorsements and the income tax break. In the end, top players want top money. It's part ego and part competition. There's no doubt in my mind Rodgers is going to try be the highest paid player. He is extremely competitive and feel he deserves every penny.

I disagree with the $ part. I believe he'll accept being paid less than what he could command.

Braun did it, and I see the two of them as similar personalities.

[BUCKnation]

Yeah, I could easily see Rodgers taking a team friendly deal kinda like what Brady did.

Im pretty sure he realizes Team>Contract, not mention how many ads he has his hand in.

[humanrefutation]

If anyone on here listens to "Tuesdays with Aaron" with Wilde, Rodgers was asked about Jennings and he seemed pretty resigned to the fact that Greg was on his way out after this season. He mentioned a few guys who need to get new deals, and mentioned Jordy specifically. That almost implies to me - though the interpretation is disputable - but almost implies that he'd rather have Jordy then Greg.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

How many years does jordy have left? Thought he just got a new one?

[El Duderino]

Nelson signed a three year extension prior to last season starting, so we have him locked up two more years after this season.

Talk about bad timing for him and great timing for the Packers. His extension was only 3yrs/13 million, but he signed it before having that monster year last season. In fact, Jordy said that Sitton constantly teases him about the contract. What a steal for the team.

[humanrefutation]

In fact, Jordy said that Sitton constantly teases him about the contract.

Aaron mentioned something about how Sitton was talking to TJ Lang within earshot of Jordy and he asked him pretty loudly how it felt to make more than Jordy.