BAT 8.0 DISCUSSION -Links pg1(DRAFT IN OTHERTHREAD) Part III

[br7knicks]

thanks willy for the critique. i agree with a lot you said, especially with martin.

only thing i disagree is about kd. exact opposite actually. i believe hes one of the top 3 in nba of creating his own shot. you dont lead the league in scoring as many times as he has if you cant.


lol been trying to upgrade c and pg man.

but again, thanks for critique

[br7knicks]

i will say tho that i dont mind collison at pg. dont need or want a ball dominating pg with kd on the team. but icould upgradein many places, a can everyone. but no one has ever had 5 first round picks

[br7knicks]

yeah, thats my concern with collison is his size almost went with jarret jack instead with that pic actually. but vasque has size. roy off te bench is also a ball handler

[Fury]

Hit me up for trades.

[CANiLIVE]

thanks willy for the critique. i agree with a lot you said, especially with martin.

only thing i disagree is about kd. exact opposite actually. i believe hes one of the top 3 in nba of creating his own shot. you dont lead the league in scoring as many times as he has if you cant.


lol been trying to upgrade c and pg man.

but again, thanks for critique

I agree, you don't lead the league 2-3 times straight in scoring without being great one on one player. On okc westbrook runs the offense because the team needs him to score because kd and him are the only true guys that can score at anytime in the starting line up.
I have no doubt in my mind kd is top 3 at creating for himself, he does not need no one to set him up.

[Fury]

Wait nooooo 8 PM is terrible. I have class

Give me your list (make sure it's like 3 or 4 guys in order of who you want most to least...just in case someone else beats you to your 1st choice or 1st and 2nd choices, etc.) and I'll make it for you..since I have to be available at 8 to do this.

No...for the rest of you lazy bastards without a legit excuse you got to make your picks yourself.

Thanks dude. I''ll PM you.

[Judah]

Willy - I responded to your email

[CANiLIVE]

Look at offers for Conley and lamb.

Robsolauren@gmail.com

[br7knicks]

Look at offers for Conley and lamb.

Robsolauren@gmail.com

sent you an offer

[WillyJakkz]

yeah, thats my concern with collison is his size almost went with jarret jack instead with that pic actually. but vasque has size. roy off te bench is also a ball handler

Damnnnnn.....

If you had chosen Jack, he'd have given you the toughness factor I see missing from your backcourt cause you got it on your frontcourt, he woulda been perfect for your team.

I think Collison is what's holding you back.

And I never said Durant sucks at creating his shot (or Martin for that matter) they use screens etc to get alot of their offense while KD has good one on one capabilities just as Martin does.

I'd double KD and force Martin or Boozer to beat my team honestly.

You're welcome for the critique, there was positivity in that critique, just gotta know where to look and not focus on certain things.

What do you think about the Nuggets?

Quick note about my bigman situtaion: I obviously drafted guys who have 1 more yr left (Okafor) cheap quality vet bigs on short term deals (O'neal & Okur) in the hopes of sitting Greg Oden out for the entire 2012-13 season in an effort to allow trainer Steve Hess to rehab Greg for a year to get him in the top shape his body will allow in an effort to have him be the anchor w/ Ibaka come 2013-14 as a reserve then eventual replacement to Okafor.

[br7knicks]

yeah, thats my concern with collison is his size almost went with jarret jack instead with that pic actually. but vasque has size. roy off te bench is also a ball handler

Damnnnnn.....

If you had chosen Jack, he'd have given you the toughness factor I see missing from your backcourt cause you got it on your frontcourt, he woulda been perfect for your team.

I think Collison is what's holding you back.

And I never said Durant sucks at creating his shot (or Martin for that matter) they use screens etc to get alot of their offense while KD has good one on one capabilities just as Martin does.

I'd double KD and force Martin or Boozer to beat my team honestly.

You're welcome for the critique, there was positivity in that critique, just gotta know where to look and not focus on certain things.

What do you think about the Nuggets?

Quick note about my bigman situtaion: I obviously drafted guys who have 1 more yr left (Okafor) cheap quality vet bigs on short term deals (O'neal & Okur) in the hopes of sitting Greg Oden out for the entire 2012-13 season in an effort to allow trainer Steve Hess to rehab Greg for a year to get him in the top shape his body will allow in an effort to have him be the anchor w/ Ibaka come 2013-14 as a reserve then eventual replacement to Okafor.

oh i know you didn't say he sucks, but you said he's not the best. i was just saying that i think he is one of the best, top 3 actually. yours was quite positive - a rarity for me, coming from you lol, i saw that and i thanked you. well martin is one of the better spot up shooters, especially playing off the ball, and boozer is offensively minded, so i'd be perfectly fine with any team doubling up on KD. collison can run an offense, so doubling KD, again, i'd be ok with by having martin and boozer open. but it took me a long time to pick collison over jack. i just saw jack as needing the ball to be effective (he is extremely effective, but he needs the ball to do it). but man, his size would've come in handy. my backcourt defense is the only thing i feel lacking from my team.

[br7knicks]

with your team:

i actually like the westbrook - Melo tandem on offense. the only problem is that melo is most effective when he's driving to the basket and playing down low (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... s_At_Elbow). unfortunately ibaka and okafor cannot stretch the floor to open it up for him (something i think the knicks would benefit from). okafor, although not a go to scorer down low, is still a threat and cannot be left alone. i do like that you have 4 guys that can create their own shot - unfortunately, they're all in the 1-3 positions and salmons i see as being the only one willing to take a step back and allowing others to score instead - i love salmons, just not his contract. your frontcourt defense is phenomenal; not a lot of people are going to score down low against your team. i think you have quite a deep bench as well - i actually think you have one of the stronger benches.

i think a better balance would be nice for your team offensively; your team is very backcourt heavy on offense. you're also definitely a win now team, as you only have 1 guy that has been drafted in the last 3 years.

the west is very strong, and i see your team as definitely making the PO and being a top 5 team out there. if your team could click offensively, your team could make the finals. if all of the egos collide, i could also see a first round upset, with your team going home pissed.

[WillyJakkz]

with your team:

i actually like the westbrook - Melo tandem on offense. the only problem is that melo is most effective when he's driving to the basket and playing down low (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... s_At_Elbow). unfortunately ibaka and okafor cannot stretch the floor to open it up for him (something i think the knicks would benefit from). okafor, although not a go to scorer down low, is still a threat and cannot be left alone. i do like that you have 4 guys that can create their own shot - unfortunately, they're all in the 1-3 positions and salmons i see as being the only one willing to take a step back and allowing others to score instead - i love salmons, just not his contract. your frontcourt defense is phenomenal; not a lot of people are going to score down low against your team. i think you have quite a deep bench as well - i actually think you have one of the stronger benches.

i think a better balance would be nice for your team offensively; your team is very backcourt heavy on offense. you're also definitely a win now team, as you only have 1 guy that has been drafted in the last 3 years.

the west is very strong, and i see your team as definitely making the PO and being a top 5 team out there. if your team could click offensively, your team could make the finals. if all of the egos collide, i could also see a first round upset, with your team going home pissed.

Much appreciated br7!

I agree w/ the stretch the offense remark, not sure you saw the roster page but I drafted Paul Westphal and actually decided it may be best to play a small ball lineup of:

Westbrook| Salmons| Johnson| Melo| Ibaka

Was going for a 1993 Phoenix Suns feel where he took that team to the Finals, I'd have Russ as a scorer/ creator, Salmons (as you said) is the vet who'll take a backseat but could score when he needs to (avg'd 14/3/3 and 1 3pter as a starter on the Bucks in 2011) We Johnson as the young athletic SF defender/ slasher who can get out in transition w/ Westbrook, Melo as the go to guy star of the team and main piece, and Ibaka as a decent man/ post defender who'll be tremendous as a weakside defender who can also get out on the break and Smith as my 6th man.

My sig lineup is more traditional.

Thanks for the writeup and yeah, I think it's possible we'd implode and not live up to expectations but don't really see that happening as I think Russ and Melo get along great considering they were Team USA teammates and I'm sure (or at least hoping) they've built a relationship and respect for each other....hopefully.

[br7knicks]

Much appreciated br7!

I agree w/ the stretch the offense remark, not sure you saw the roster page but I drafted Paul Westphal and actually decided it may be best to play a small ball lineup of:

Westbrook| Salmons| Johnson| Melo| Ibaka

Was going for a 1993 Phoenix Suns feel where he took that team to the Finals, I'd have Russ as a scorer/ creator, Salmons (as you said) is the vet who'll take a backseat but could score when he needs to (avg'd 14/3/3 and 1 3pter as a starter on the Bucks in 2011) We Johnson as the young athletic SF defender/ slasher who can get out in transition w/ Westbrook, Melo as the go to guy star of the team and main piece, and Ibaka as a decent man/ post defender who'll be tremendous as a weakside defender who can also get out on the break and Smith as my 6th man.

My sig lineup is more traditional.

Thanks for the writeup and yeah, I think it's possible we'd implode and not live up to expectations but don't really see that happening as I think Russ and Melo get along great considering they were Team USA teammates and I'm sure (or at least hoping) they've built a relationship and respect for each other....hopefully.

i didn't see that, but i like that better. that's talked about all the time on the NYK board. yeah, like i said, i'm probably the only one that likes the westbrook-melo combo. but again, if clicking, i'd see your team in the finals, or imploding. your team would be fun as **** to watch

[moocow007]

360 the hornets select SG/SF Jordan Hamilton.

360 and 361 for the Suns are Tracy McGrady and Troy Murphy.

??? Since it looks like 370 is officially marked for the Hornets, I'm just going to move Jordan Hamilton to 370 on the official board and keep TMac and Murphy at 360 and 361

[TDJacksonville]

360 the hornets select SG/SF Jordan Hamilton.

360 and 361 for the Suns are Tracy McGrady and Troy Murphy.

??? Since it looks like 370 is officially marked for the Hornets, I'm just going to move Jordan Hamilton to 370 on the official board and keep TMac and Murphy at 360 and 361

should go count and see if he has the right number of players

[moocow007]

360 the hornets select SG/SF Jordan Hamilton.

360 and 361 for the Suns are Tracy McGrady and Troy Murphy.

??? Since it looks like 370 is officially marked for the Hornets, I'm just going to move Jordan Hamilton to 370 on the official board and keep TMac and Murphy at 360 and 361

should go count and see if he has the right number of players

Not sure all the trades are updated correctly...could be a monumental task.

[MeloCity]

my team gets no love cause all of my players are underrated and most fans don't know how talented my rookies off the bench are

[moocow007]

ANNOUNCEMENT

Ok...rather than having me or kneega spend all night going through everyone's picks to make sure that every team has 12 players and 1 head coach, I'm going to leave it up to you guys. Anyone that is caught to have more than 12 players and 1 head coach will be officially disqualified if found out!!!

So go and make sure that you have no more than 12 players and 1 head coach...OR ELSE!

As of right now, including the picks that have not been made, Miami will have only a total of 12 picks...so that means someone has made 14 picks. That someone will be disqualified if they are identified unless they come out now, raise their hands and drop the extra pick.

If we also count pick 391, then that means at least 2 GM's could have more than the allowed 13 picks (12 players and 1 head coach).

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The following teams/picks were skipped/missed. Unless we (me or kneega) get something from the GM's by 12 MIDNIGHT tonight we will end up picking for them. The picks will be made before the start of free agency.

MIAMI HEAT -- Picks 283, 318, 343
BOSTON CELTICS -- Picks 356, 365

[TDJacksonville]

i agree.

already emailed Kneega on that email he sent. 12 players and 1 coach Here