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Re: 2012/13 Badger football thread 

Post#241 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:47 am

Maybe I'm alone but I don't think Barry was that iconic of a coach. Sure, for locals the guy was a legend but nation-wide I don't think you can dare to put him in the category of Meyer, Holtz, Etc. I think UW was more known for their offensive line than barry so BB had an easier time replacing a longtime coach. I think he's a fine coach and can't complain with the results. Personally I think he's a dbag but I wouldn't want him to leave especially for no assistant waiting in the wings.
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Re: 2012/13 Badger football thread 

Post#242 » by trwi7 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:15 am

What did Holtz do that was so great? Yeah, he won a National Championship at Notre Dame and an Orange Bowl with Arkansas but after that, what is it? He has a career .651 winning percentage compared to Alvarez's .628.
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Re: 2012/13 Badger football thread 

Post#243 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:18 am

What Alvarez did at Wisconsin was amazing.
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Post#244 » by Ayt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:08 am

DrugBust wrote:What Alvarez did at Wisconsin was amazing.


Yep. Remarkable.

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Maybe I'm alone but I don't think Barry was that iconic of a coach. Sure, for locals the guy was a legend but nation-wide I don't think you can dare to put him in the category of Meyer, Holtz, Etc. I think UW was more known for their offensive line than barry so BB had an easier time replacing a longtime coach. I think he's a fine coach and can't complain with the results. Personally I think he's a dbag but I wouldn't want him to leave especially for no assistant waiting in the wings.


From his wiki:

In 1990, Alvarez was named head coach of the Wisconsin Badgers. He inherited a program that had not had a winning season since 1984, and had only won seven games in Big Ten Conference play in that time.


WTF else needs to be said? What he did was absurd. He took that **** program and won the damn Rose Bowl in year 4. The Badgers hadn't even been to a Bowl game since 1984, and he took over and by year four had a Rose Bowl winning team.

The history goes well beyond Morton, but in the three years prior to Barry taking over we went 3-8 (1-7 in conference), 1-10 (1-7), and 2-9 (1-7). After four years, he transformed us into a Rose Bowl winner. That would be unbelievable if it didn't actually happen.
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Post#245 » by Ayt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:00 am

El Duderino wrote:http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/rushing-the-passer-is-a-rush-for-uws-borland-sb6giuv-166361676.html

Good to see that the staff is strongly considering using Borland as a pass rusher again in clear passing situations. It was frustrating for me last season that Borland rarely was used as a pass rusher, even though against the better offenses the defensive line didn't have a single reliable rusher and Ash almost always would only send four guys in the pass rush.


I thought the same thing when I saw that story. I think you and I discussed how it was a big mistake to not use Borland as a rusher last season. I was really excited to have him back after his injury prior to last year because he's an amazing player, but we completely ignored his pass rushing skills despite the fact he was likely the best pure rusher on the roster.

The coaching staff stated that they didn't want to overload him with his move to MLB. I thought that was foolish because Borland's abilities as an edge rusher are based on instinct and athleticism. He didn't need to spend a ton of time in practice at the DE position to be effective at the position in games, and he wouldn't have needed to spend a ton of time in film study with that group to be highly effective. We could have had him rushing the passer all damn game against Oregon last year. We also got no pass rush against Michigan St.

I dug up this old article from the 2010 preview that I think is a really good read. It would be nice to have a Borland at all three LB spots, a bulked up 260-265 version at both DE spots, a slimmed down (220 or so) version at SS, and a Borland at FB. Throw in a pure special teams Borland as well.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/preview10 ... id=5487900

If his shoulder holds up, I think he will be a stud MLB in the NFL in either a 4-3 or a 3-4 scheme. I would love to have him in Green Bay. I could see him being the type of player that is a steal in the 2nd-3rd round when he comes out. He's such a good football player.

If he was 6-2 instead of 5-11 he'd be a god damn monster. A 6-2 Borland is a top 5 pick. I'd love a 5-11 Borland in the late 2nd for the Pack.
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Re: 2012/13 Badger football thread 

Post#246 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:39 pm

I was talking more of national notoriety. I don't think I've ever heard his name mentioned on espn when they rattle off the greatest college coaches. Yeah, he may deserve to be but he just doesn't have that legendary ring to fans. For a recruit from The east coast, I'm willing to bet their view of UW is that they produce great running games and that they know less of the coaches.
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Post#247 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:11 pm

trwi7 wrote:What did Holtz do that was so great? Yeah, he won a National Championship at Notre Dame and an Orange Bowl with Arkansas but after that, what is it? He has a career .651 winning percentage compared to Alvarez's .628.


Coached Minnesota for one season. :lol:

Barry was definitely a GREAT coach. He essentially took a football program like the current Minnesota program and built it up to a perennial B1G powerhouse. Then on top of that already impressive resume, he picked a successor that has pretty much continued that success. I don't know if there are many other coaches that have done what he has done, in terms of building a powerhouse from scratch, and then sustaining it after retiring from coaching.
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Post#248 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:12 pm

Interesting side story going into Wisconsin's game @ OSU this Saturday. Apparently BB refused to send game film to OSU. Afraid they might find something that worked for N. Iowa? Or is it just because OSU's game was postponed?

CORVALLIS – For a non-conference game, there is plenty of gamesmanship unfolding in Saturday’s new season opener for Oregon State.

A day after Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema disclosed that he decided not to send game film to the Beavers, OSU coach Mike Riley was asked whether he tried to get the film from somebody else.

“Yes we did,’’ Riley said. “Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t.’’

And it didn’t work?

“Yes,’’ Riley said, “it did.’’

So, Riley and his staff are in possession of the game film of the Badgers’ opener against Northern Iowa, a game Wisconsin won, 26-21, but was surprisingly held in check by the Panthers’ defense. We do not know who sent the Beavers the film, but we know who didn’t.

“For us to exchange film with Oregon State, they’ve got to have something to give back,’’ Bielema said, adding that sending his, “really wouldn't benefit Wisconsin in any way shape or form.’’

Would Bielema have sent that video along if the Badgers had coasted to victory unchallenged? We’ll never know. The Wisconsin coach said the schools had an agreement to exchange film, a common practice in college football and an automatic one in Pac-12 games, but the Badgers didn’t send theirs after OSU’s scheduled opener against Nicholls State was postponed due to Hurricane Isaac.

Of course, the game was on TV, so the Beavers had tape of the telecast, but coaches’ game film looks nothing like television. In the game film, the coach can see all 22 players from sideline angles, plus the very useful end zone angle that illuminates line play.

“It’s a whole different deal,’’ Riley said. “It’s all about seeing all the people.’’

And it’s all available at the touch of a button – unless somebody tells his video department not to hit that button.

“In the old days, you had to trust somebody to put it on the greyhound bus, then you’d pick it up at the bus depot and go the airport if it needed to go to the airport,’’ said Riley, who did exactly that as a graduate assistant with Cal in 1975.

How times have changed. When BYU and Washington State played last week, that game film was in Riley’s computer the next day. As for Bielema’s decision, Riley said he wasn’t surprised, adding, “it’s a personal choice.’’ Asked what he would do if the roles were reversed, Riley deftly fast-forwarded through that question.

"I would probably have to see if we had a hurricane and then make that decision,'' Riley said.
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Re: 2012/13 Badger football thread 

Post#249 » by Kerb Hohl » Thu Sep 6, 2012 2:16 pm

I've bashed BB before, but I don't know what is so bad about this. He has always been a bit of a stubborn dick, but this one is pretty fair.

Of course I'm sure if I make my once a year trip to Gopher Hole, this is probably being discussed as felony-based actions by Beilema and completely because he's scared.

ETA: What the hell would you need the film for anyways? I know Canada is a different coordinator, but it's mostly the same old ****.
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Re: 2012/13 Badger football thread 

Post#250 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:00 pm

I don't think this is all that big of a deal either, just an interesting side story to an otherwise uninteresting, likely blowout nonconference game.

I think OSU would want the tape for a number of reasons. First and foremost, Wisconsin has a new QB that is quite different from Russell Wilson. They also only won by 5, so OSU probably thinks they can extract some kind of advantage by analyzing N. Iowa's schemes.
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Post#251 » by midranger » Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:26 pm

It's a non-story.

OSU doesn't have a tape to provide, so Wisconsin has no obligation to provide them with ours. BB isn't in the business of assisting other coaches in beating his team.

Regadless, OSU secured the tape anyway. Non-story.
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Re: 2012/13 Badger football thread 

Post#252 » by LUKE23 » Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:41 pm

I have no idea why a team would ever send their scouting tape to a team they are about to play. I actually didn't even know that occurred. If you want to scout us, then do your own legwork to do so. Pretty easy.
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Post#253 » by Kerb Hohl » Thu Sep 6, 2012 3:52 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:They also only won by 5, so OSU probably thinks they can extract some kind of advantage by analyzing N. Iowa's schemes.


Put 9 in the box.

Obviously there is more to it than that but I think you're over-analyzing this. It's a business of winning games, and if there is a gentlemen's handshake about exchanging tape then it should be between both teams. I don't understand how anyone can even misconstrue this. I think that's the end of the story right there.

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