2012 Battle of Sports Forums

[Redhopeful]

I dont think I was overly defensive. It was a baseless accusation without any proof and I posted evidence to refute his accusation and asked him not to make such accusations in the future without having any proof. I'm still behind that post 100 %.

There is no harm done after all since he got his guy but it was needless for him to imply that me or Craig had something to do with him being skipped.

and curtis you are raging with almost no reason. just think about for a minute, there is no benefit for a realgm moderator to delete his post because there are 2 non realgm users before writersblock, that would mean an advantage for the other forums, not us. so there's no reason for us to do such a thing. just chill out.

I'm aware that there is no benefit for us to do such a thing. Still that doesnt make me less annoyed with the implication/accusation.

I fully support Curtis here. There was absolutely no reason to attempt to justify the lack of a post by attempting to put the blame on a real gm moderator. Why even suggest such a notion? If anything, it makes KB89 look even more defensive (and guilty of wrong doing) as he's attempting to shift the blame immediately upon discovery of the issue.

No, it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but, once again, it's how you handle a matter that tends to rile up others in this league. For instance, it would have been better to just guess that in your 'sleepy haze' you might have made the error.

[KB89]

I dont think I was overly defensive. It was a baseless accusation without any proof and I posted evidence to refute his accusation and asked him not to make such accusations in the future without having any proof. I'm still behind that post 100 %.

There is no harm done after all since he got his guy but it was needless for him to imply that me or Craig had something to do with him being skipped.

and curtis you are raging with almost no reason. just think about for a minute, there is no benefit for a realgm moderator to delete his post because there are 2 non realgm users before writersblock, that would mean an advantage for the other forums, not us. so there's no reason for us to do such a thing. just chill out.

I'm aware that there is no benefit for us to do such a thing. Still that doesnt make me less annoyed with the implication/accusation.

First, I'd like to point out that the key work in my sentence was "mistakenly". I by no means meant to imply someone deleted my post unfairly to gain any sort of competitive balance. If it came across that way I apologize. I have great respect for Sly, I've played in leagues outside of this one with him and hold him in high regard. And you have done a great job as commissioner. So while I do not know you as well, I have nothing but respect for you and absolutely did not mean to make any accusations against you.

My post was a gut reaction to a situation that truly surprised me upon waking up and not seeing my post that I was positive I had made. It wasn't meant to accuse anyone of foul play. I've ran message board draft leagues as a commissioner for years over on RotoKingdom, and mistakes have happened. One instance in a 16 team league we ended up getting 17 votes in a poll and it turned out that an admin mistakenly voted in the poll. Mistakes do happen, and my first thought was that a mistake happened here. Let me ask you, if you were sure you had made a post and woke up to see that it was not there; what would your initial reaction be?

[Curtis Lemansky]

Pm'ed / emailed me or Craig to check the logs to see what happened or to ask how it may have happened?

Then we would have told you that the most likely scenario is that you clicked on "preview" instead of "submit" which would explain how you came to see your post but it never actually has gotten posted.

[So-Tex]

Let me ask you, if you were sure you had made a post and woke up to see that it was not there; what would your initial reaction be?

"What the f#*k?!? HOLY S#!T!!!"

Yeah...that sounds about right...

Ok, ok...sorry...don't mean to make light of the situation - but just couldn't resist that last line.

I for one, have been guilty in the past of going off on people for all the wrong reasons, both in leagues and in threads (Buser, Cap, Hailfire, Red, SilentJim, Rounders Block/Justin all can pretty much attest for THAT at some point or another! ). And I'm sure we've ALL had our fair share of moments over the course of our fantasy "careers". But for all intents and purposes, there was no harm done (unless...you REALLY wanted Gasol?!? )...little slap on the wrist for forgetting to email Red is the way I see it.

Let's just move on and be done with it...with lessons learned.

[Curtis Lemansky]

On a side note, surprised Dwight lasted this long. For me, he is still either 5th or 6th pick in H2H. After top-4, I'd lean on Bynum and Howard for the next 2 picks.

[Rounders Block]

Let me ask you, if you were sure you had made a post and woke up to see that it was not there; what would your initial reaction be?

I'll just say this - publicly implying that a mod deleted your post, even mistakenly, isn't how you deal with it. Even if you think that's what happened, you send him a PM or e-mail instead and deal with it behind the scenes. I don't blame Curtis for getting defensive here, because it implies there was some intent behind it. Being a mod and having deleted my fair share of spam posts, it's very hard to accidentally do it. You have to click the delete button first then confirm it once again after that for it to go through.

Oleh mentioned this earlier - it's how you deal with situations that tends to irk others. PM/e-mail Curtis and deal with this in private, and I can guarantee you get a different reaction (not to mention avoid all of this).

[Rounders Block]

On a side note, surprised Dwight lasted this long. For me, he is still either 5th or 6th pick in H2H. After top-4, I'd lean on Bynum and Howard for the next 2 picks.

[Redhopeful]

On a side note, surprised Dwight lasted this long. For me, he is still either 5th or 6th pick in H2H. After top-4, I'd lean on Bynum and Howard for the next 2 picks.

Agreed. Not a clear choice this season anyways. Besides being a little difficult to build around, now he has two rather large questions surrounding him:

1) Will his recent back surgery cause him to miss games or limit his minutes on the court and in practice?

2) All new teammates and system. With the addition of E. Jordan and announcing they are going to run plenty of Princeton, will he be involved as we've all become accustomed to?

[hamncheese]

Agree about Howard too. Orlando was a near perfect setup for his game - the dominant big man surrounded by the 3-pt shooting. Adapting to a new system could be a challenge for him.

[Curtis Lemansky]

As far as injury, I think he will miss 2 weeks or so at the worst case scenario.

In terms of fit to Lakers, I think his ppg may go down to 18ppg or so and his rebounds to 13 rpg but he'll make it up with a modest spike in blocks (2.5 - 2.6 bpg) IMO.

[Rounders Block]

As far as injury, I think he will miss 2 weeks or so at the worst case scenario.

Don't agree with this at all. Worst case is two weeks? There are no residual effects? He doesn't re-aggravate it at any point during the season? It's a very real possibility he may not be ready for the season opener. As we get closer to the start and his timetable becomes clearer, you may be changing that to best case. And I say that because Howard has been consistently behind schedule up to this point in his recovery.

[sabonis]

we cant know for sure how long he's gonna miss and if it's gonna affect his play. I don't think it will affect his game but he might miss more than a few weeks, which may end up f-ing any team up.

but per game basis, if you omit FT%, he will be top 3 no matter what. Put Howard on any team in the NBA and he will be top 3 without FT%. So I don't think playing on Lakers will affect his ranking.

oh and btw, last year I tried to build a team around him and it failed miserably. because having Howard extremely resticts your options, if some of those options decide to suck balls for the following season, your team will sink.

[Redhopeful]

As far as injury, I think he will miss 2 weeks or so at the worst case scenario.

Don't agree with this at all. Worst case is two weeks? There are no residual effects? He doesn't re-aggravate it at any point during the season? It's a very real possibility he may not be ready for the season opener. As we get closer to the start and his timetable becomes clearer, you may be changing that to best case. And I say that because Howard has been consistently behind schedule up to this point in his recovery.

Not to mention, all those important hours spent in practice acclimating to teammates and system. Even IF he's healthy for most of the year, his comfort level could be off for a vast majority of it. This imo is something too few are acknowledging that could lead to a slip in production.

[KB89]

Pm'ed / emailed me or Craig to check the logs to see what happened or to ask how it may have happened?

Then we would have told you that the most likely scenario is that you clicked on "preview" instead of "submit" which would explain how you came to see your post but it never actually has gotten posted.

RotoKingdom doesn't have logs accessible to Mods, and seeing as how that is the only forum I have ever been a Mod on this is the first time I've ever heard of that feature. Let me give you a run down of exactly what happened. I woke up, went to RGM first to check on the draft, thought something was odd when I saw my name still in the thread title, opened the thread and was shocked to see a post that I was absolutely certain I had made not there, and then quickly offered the only explanation I came up to in my 10 seconds of thinking about it.

What I truly am bummed about is after that people implying I am lying or that my post was meant to be a malicious attack towards the Mods here. I would have no problem what-so-ever owning up to me missing my pick. What I never would do is attempt to come up with some lame excuse as to why I missed the pick, my post truly reflected what happened in my mind. And as I said last post, I have a lot of respect for the Mods here. Had I thought people would interpret my post as me implying that I thought the Mods had ill-will in what I thought was them deleting my post, I would've explained myself better in my initial post. My first possible explanation to explain what happened was that someone mistakenly deleted it. Not that they did so purposely to cause harm.

I have been posting on message boards for 10 years now, and have made over 20,000 posts in doing so. I am aware there is a preview button, and am aware of the differences between hitting the preview and submit buttons. The preview button takes you to only your post to preview it in how it will appear on the message board. It doesn't lineup your post along with the other posts in the thread however. That is why I do not think I hit preview, because I remember seeing my post submitted and directly below the last post. I still don't know what happened. I do believe that a Mod did not delete my post based on the evidence Curtis provided. But I am still certain I did indeed make my post last night based on my memory. I am not saying that I could possibly be the one to blame, because I could've made the mistake. But that is not what happened based on my recollection, which is all I can really go by.

Believe me, had I thought that this would cause controversy and for people to think I was lying or attempting to accuse others of foul play, I would have rather people thought I was a slacker and simply missed my pick.

[Redhopeful]

Dude, let it go already. You are really attempting to defend the indefensible.

[hailfire4]

They may not be a great value at 16 17 but really wanted to go PG, C to start. REALLY wanted Kyrie though so had to go Plan B with Ty. Maybe we can bash picks now instead of each other in this thread.

[Rounders Block]

So just to bring this up one last time so we can make it official...

A few days back I gave details about some of the features available on Y! this year that were pertinent to BOSF, but now that Y! has opened registration up again and those same features can be confirmed and seen by all, we can work on finalizing them into the rules.

Here's what the consensus has been so far:
1) Four four-team divisions, with each forum in their own division
2) Customized schedule where each team does not play another team from the same forum
3) Playoff seeding as usual: division winners are not guaranteed playoff spots; seed by record alone

If anyone' is against any of these rule changes let us know.

[seattle]

I agree with this

[sly]

Sorry for the delay... Burst of picks late last night that I wasn't expecting. Picking shortly...

[Redhopeful]

Still need 3 rotokingdom managers to register for the league on Yahoo.

EDIT: Forgot to ask, how would the rest of the league feel about adding an IR spot? Injuries happen and they're more detrimental in deep leagues. One of my other leagues has already implemented it and I think it's a good idea. Why punish the injured team more by having to strongly consider dropping said player for another body? Meanwhile the stronger teams can afford to gamble and throwaway a spot or two. Injuries suck so I'd like to see the league reduce it's impact even it's only just a little.