The Official 2012 Nets Offseason Thread (Part 2)

[llemon]

I'm glad we signed Blatche its a gamble worth taking. He could have Greald Green type of rebirth and be a steal. Time will tell. The thought of Eddie Curry makes me cringe.


Welcome to the Nets Andre Blatche.

I agree with your Green reference and your thought of Curry, lol!

Welcome Dray!

If Blatche straightens out and has a good season, there is no way he re-signs with the Nets

[vincecarter4pres]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

[vincecarter4pres]

What are the odds Memphis is stumbling this season and we wind up dealing Wallace, Hump and a couple 1sts for Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph?

I wonder if we'll make the first low cost(asset wise) panic move we come across, fit and future flexibility be damned, or if we'll be patient and wait for a proper ripoff?

[ALLiDOisQUINN]

I think the team has the capacity / flexibility to make one more trade for a productive yet vastly overpaid player.

I'm thinking more along the lines of David Lee but would love Rudy Gay if he were to ever become available....

I think it'd take Memphis stumbling and players like MarShon, Shengelia, Bogdanovic (abroad) really upping their value to get Memphis to pull the trigger though...

If you could save them money while not completely blowing up their team while throwing them some young promising prospects (and I'm not sure if any of the Nets prospects currently fall into this category), maybe they'd pull the trigger...

[llemon]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

[therealbig3]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

Who cares if it's unguaranteed? If he plays well, we're not going to cut him, so he'll get paid. And if he plays well, he wouldn't want to sign a contract longer than 1 year, because he could sign a multi-year, guaranteed contract for more money. Not only are other teams looking for him to sign a 1-year deal...HE'S looking to sign a 1-year deal, so that he can show everyone else that he's not the POS anymore that he's been the last couple of years, and if he can convince people of that, he'll sign a big money contract for multiple years. That works out for him better than signing a 2 year vet minimum deal.

[vincecarter4pres]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

I think I fully understand it, it's obvious you're having trouble grasping the simplest of concepts.

Blatche was just amnestied by the Wizards.

This means Washington still has to pay him the remaining approximate $23 million dollars left on his contract over the next 3 seasons no matter what he does.

He's not signing a vet min deal cause he's worried about the million dollars and change it pays him.

He wants to sign a vet min deal to show he's still worthy of being a rotation player on an NBA roster, so that he can go out and sign a multi-year, multimillion dollar contract after this season.

The last thing he wants is a team being able to control how much he makes and where he plays next year as well as this year.

Bottom line is he won't be a Net next year unless it's by the Taxpayer's MLE.

[llemon]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

I think I fully understand it, it's obvious you're having trouble grasping the simplest of concepts.

Blatche was just amnestied by the Wizards.

This means Washington still has to pay him the remaining approximate $23 million dollars left on his contract over the next 3 seasons no matter what he does.

He's not signing a vet min deal cause he's worried about the million dollars and change it pays him.

He wants to sign a vet min deal to show he's still worthy of being a rotation player on an NBA roster, so that he can go out and sign a multi-year, multimillion dollar contract after this season.

The last thing he wants is a team being able to control how much he makes and where he plays next year as well as this year.

Bottom line is he won't be a Net next year unless it's by the Taxpayer's MLE.

Okay, let's talk about the $23 mil,

First, there is the escrow money, which should be 10%

Then there are his agents fees

Then, of course, there are taxes, and I believe 'Dray will pay more than the 13% Romney pays.

And pretty sure he has spent a good amount of his future salary already, being he seems to be an incredible moron.

Probably a mortgage on a too expensive house that he bought.

Then there is hooker and baby mama money.

I'm going to assume that, financially, Blatche isn't set for life.

In fact, I might be more financially secure than 'Dray.

[NyCeEvO]

What are the odds Memphis is stumbling this season and we wind up dealing Wallace, Hump and a couple 1sts for Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph?

I wonder if we'll make the first low cost(asset wise) panic move we come across, fit and future flexibility be damned, or if we'll be patient and wait for a proper ripoff?

I agree that the conversation could begin if Memphis struggles, but Gay needs to prove that he's become a better defender. With this lineup, we don't need more offense, we need defense. Gay would give us a more athleticism but I wonder about his BBIQ at times.

At the same time, how healthy will Crash be over the life of the rest of his contract and how good will he be?

There a lot of variables here and I'm leaning towards thinking that they won't play out in a way that will produce the above trade or something similar to it. I could be wrong though...

[vincecarter4pres]

Just for **** and giggles assume it happened:

Deron
JJ
Gay
Zbo
Lopez

Still leaves us with most of the same problems.

Maybe you take it as far as you can and then look to deal for Bogut in the offseason?

Deron
JJ
Gay
Zbo
Bogut

??

[enetric]

Worry about next season when it comes. There is nothing they could have done about that anyway, there isn't a snow cone chance in mid summer Coney Island heat that Blatche was signing a 2 year vet min deal, anywhere.

Again, Blatche is about to sign an UNGUARANTEED contract.

That is not even a Vets' Min deal. It means that no team is willing to RISK signing him to a one year Vets' Min GUARANTEED contract. Do you understand the implications of that?

F'n Jerry Stackhouse got a guaranteed Vets' Min contract, and I'm pretty sure Stack died about 2 1/2 years ago.

I think I fully understand it, it's obvious you're having trouble grasping the simplest of concepts.

Blatche was just amnestied by the Wizards.

This means Washington still has to pay him the remaining approximate $23 million dollars left on his contract over the next 3 seasons no matter what he does.

He's not signing a vet min deal cause he's worried about the million dollars and change it pays him.

He wants to sign a vet min deal to show he's still worthy of being a rotation player on an NBA roster, so that he can go out and sign a multi-year, multimillion dollar contract after this season.

The last thing he wants is a team being able to control how much he makes and where he plays next year as well as this year.

Bottom line is he won't be a Net next year unless it's by the Taxpayer's MLE.

I posted this elsewhere but I thought they fixed that with the arbitration hearing this summer the one that allowed players who are waived or amnestied to have their new teams salary match an offer even if it goes over the cap.

[enetric]

Just for **** and giggles assume it happened:

Deron
JJ
Gay
Zbo
Lopez

Still leaves us with most of the same problems.

Maybe you take it as far as you can and then look to deal for Bogut in the offseason?

Deron
JJ
Gay
Zbo
Bogut

??

Why do you still believe Bogut is destined to play more than 4 minutes a season in the NBA? OK he can play. DOES he play? NO!

[vincecarter4pres]

Come on now, he plays about 33 minutes a game. So what it's only for 38 games a season?

[enetric]

He is so unreliable to play Yao Ming called him Andrew Bynum.

[therealbig3]

Well Bogut is one of those potentially super high reward guys that could possibly be had for cheap. One of the best defensive anchors in the game, and a solid scorer in the post. Healthy, he's the 2nd best center in the league. Of course, he's never healthy...but if he COULD be, he would improve a team a lot.

BTW, I found this funny:

The 10 highest mpg players for the Nets last year (played at least 30 games):

1. Deron Williams
2. Kris Humphries
3. Marshon Brooks
4. Anthony Morrow
5. Gerald Green
6. Shelden Williams
7. Jordan Farmar
8. DeShawn Stevenson
9. Johan Petro
10. Jordan Williams

Projected for this year (not in order for this one):

1. Deron Williams
2. Kris Humphries
3. Marshon Brooks
4. Joe Johnson
5. Gerald Wallace
6. Brook Lopez
7. CJ Watson
8. Keith Bogans
9. Reggie Evans
10. Mirza Teletovic

The difference is staggering, compare 4-12 of the two lists...with reasonable health last year, we would have been a 30 win team anyway, possibly even a .500 team.

[enetric]

High reward that can be had for cheap?

Bogut makes a fortune and he was just traded while HURT for Monta Ellis. Say what you want about Monta but he is an uber stat stuffer in this league. Is the hope to snag Bogut healthier where his price would go up...or that he misses yet another season where his value goes down? See where I am going here therealbig3?

The reliable version is not cheap and the cheap version is not reliable.

[Keith Van Horn]

NetsDaily reports that the Nets have been going hard after Barbarosa. Thoughts?

[NyCeEvO]

NetsDaily reports that the Nets have been going hard after Barbarosa. Thoughts?

Why?

I don't think Barbosa would want to be a 3rd string SG and I don't trust his BBIQ as a backup PG (again, unless he's 3rd string). If the Nets really want to go after someone, make it a big man who be there for garbage time and to use for intentionally fouling the opposition.

[DarkXaero]

NetsDaily reports that the Nets have been going hard after Barbarosa. Thoughts?

NI's source denied it. It's either that the Brazilian media source misquoted Barbosa or his agent is trying to create false interest.

[Paradise]

A league source denied the Nets have serious interest in Barbosa, despite his claims.

Seems to me, we are interested but not serious interest which we should.