Bobcats Shopping Tyrus Thomas Heavily

[ball teacher]

Tyrus has been coached by Scott Skiles, Pete Myers, Jim Boylan, Vinny Del Negro, Larry Brown, Paul Silas and now Mike Dunlap. Tyrus has been in the league 6 years and he came out as a raw 1 year college player. He's never been able to live up to the hype and part of that has to do with him being in circumstances where he has lame duck or interim coaches who have agendas that don't include grooming the young raw players.

Tyrus can play, he just needs to be taught the same way Jordan put the effort into grooming Henderson last year. I still don't know why Jordan gave him the big contract and didn't get this guy the mentor to help further his game, that is the most puzzling move to me, Silas clearly didn't know how to use Tyrus and I don't think he ever really cared for him which culminated in the fight last year. Give Tyrus a proper weight room regiment, and get him a real big man coach and you've got a 15-10 guy with about 2 blocks per game.

[Bassman]

Who really knows what efforts MJ and others have made to help Tyrus? Fact is the guy is a professional who either doesn't work on his game, or cannot improve his skills despite his and other's efforts. The stomach thing...what is that? Seems pretty mysterious to me; either he had ulcers or issues from stress or a pretty serious condition that would deserve explanation to the fans and media. Yet we hear nothing about what exactly this is/was.

I doubt anyone would deal with us for Tyrus without giving up a 1st round pick. At this point I agree with a previous poster, who said it's best to try and make something out of him this season.

[ball teacher]

Who really knows what efforts MJ and others have made to help Tyrus? Fact is the guy is a professional who either doesn't work on his game, or cannot improve his skills despite his and other's efforts. The stomach thing...what is that? Seems pretty mysterious to me; either he had ulcers or issues from stress or a pretty serious condition that would deserve explanation to the fans and media. Yet we hear nothing about what exactly this is/was.

I doubt anyone would deal with us for Tyrus without giving up a 1st round pick. At this point I agree with a previous poster, who said it's best to try and make something out of him this season.

All I'm doing is going by what I see and what coaches have commented publicly about him as saying. The coaches have never said Tyrus doesn't do what he tells them, they say he tries hard, he's doing whats asked and Silas has said many times that he would push Tyrus to shoot the open jumpers.

With that being said, we've never seen reports about big men coming to work with Tyrus, we've never seen reports since Larry Browns time as coach of Tyrus working on his post play with anyone. I've made the comment before that when I watch the games, I've seen numerous times where on the offensive end a shot goes up, and he backpeddles away from the rim, now, a real coach who studies the game tapes will see this and correct it. This happened all season long, and all we've heard was how well Tyrus was in practice and with the staff, right, so that means he wasn't told to stop doing this.

Tyrus isn't free of blame either, it's enough to go around, but at the end of the day Tyrus was the Bobcats investment and we should've done what was needed to make him successful. The coach leaving, the lockout, the calculated tank all hampered this though, not to mention his injury and ailment. I still think if MJ wants to really give Tyrus a fair shot to show what he can do, if Tyrus is properly coached, he'll be a good productive player which he was before last year.

[ball teacher]

Who really knows what efforts MJ and others have made to help Tyrus? Fact is the guy is a professional who either doesn't work on his game, or cannot improve his skills despite his and other's efforts. The stomach thing...what is that? Seems pretty mysterious to me; either he had ulcers or issues from stress or a pretty serious condition that would deserve explanation to the fans and media. Yet we hear nothing about what exactly this is/was.

I doubt anyone would deal with us for Tyrus without giving up a 1st round pick. At this point I agree with a previous poster, who said it's best to try and make something out of him this season.

One more thing, you have to know what to work and how to work on your game to be effective. Dwight Howard had Ewing teach him, Olajuwon and now Kareem, and he was surely at camps and AAU leagues, I guarantee you most of these big men have gone to big men camps, Tyrus looks weird has hell out there because he had the late growth spurt and was under the radar in college and didn't go to these big men cams, so he's raw and having 7 coaches in 6 seasons hasn't helped. Coaches nowadays just don't teach the game anymore and this is another problem.

When these guys play 1 year of college and then go to the league many of them seem unprepared and coaches don't seem to have the luxury or desire to teach and groom these young guys, unless it was a high lottery pick that the organisation is really supportive of. Big men are generally less talented than before, maybe players in general, the guys seem to have great athleticism but in the skilled development they're weaker compared to 15 years ago. I think this is all attributed to lack of good coaching on the college and pro level. I could be wrong though.

[fatlever]

i think people misunderstood what i was getting at... i was saying absolute best case at 11 and 8, which is based on his past years. in no way whatsoever do i think that will happen and its certainly not an endorsement. i think he is trash. as for using per 36, that was only to show that tyrus is actually a productive rebounder per minute, its just that he cant stay on the floor. his best case of 8 was based on the dream scenario where he could stay on the floor for about 30 minutes a night. again, i dont think it will happen because he is a spaz.

[MKG14]

Who really knows what efforts MJ and others have made to help Tyrus? Fact is the guy is a professional who either doesn't work on his game, or cannot improve his skills despite his and other's efforts. The stomach thing...what is that? Seems pretty mysterious to me; either he had ulcers or issues from stress or a pretty serious condition that would deserve explanation to the fans and media. Yet we hear nothing about what exactly this is/was.

I doubt anyone would deal with us for Tyrus without giving up a 1st round pick. At this point I agree with a previous poster, who said it's best to try and make something out of him this season.

well his health is his business, he's not required to share his private health info with the media. His employer (bobcats) yeah but it isn't our business. At any rate he probably does have some sort of stomach issue, he lost a LOT of weight for a guy who didn't have a lot to lose.

i think people misunderstood what i was getting at... i was saying absolute best case at 11 and 8, which is based on his past years. in no way whatsoever do i think that will happen and its certainly not an endorsement. i think he is trash. as for using per 36, that was only to show that tyrus is actually a productive rebounder per minute, its just that he cant stay on the floor. his best case of 8 was based on the dream scenario where he could stay on the floor for about 30 minutes a night. again, i dont think it will happen because he is a spaz.

It's also worth noting that rebounding can usually translate into more minutes better than other things like steals/points/assists which sometimes fall behind.

[bballgm]

Do the Cats still have their amnesty?

[MKG14]

Do the Cats still have their amnesty?

yes

[HornetJail]

It's worth noting that Thomas will be our only amnesty-able player. Everyone else on the roster either wasn't on their same contract at the end of the 2011 season or is about to be a free-agent next summer.

[TheCage4]

Without including a 1st, TT isn't going to be traded. That's just a fact.

Either that or you take back 2 players w/ bad contracts.

[MKG14]

Without including a 1st, TT isn't going to be traded. That's just a fact.

Either that or you take back 2 players w/ bad contracts.

facts are things that have happened or will happen. what you did is called conjecture and cannot be equated with fact. I see why you're retired.

[BobsBuddy]

Like I said back when I first posted on TT. NOBODY will take him.Play him with the second team until his Stomach or other injury puts him on IR and then Amensity him next season. Doing this along with Carrolls , Diops, and Williams expiring Contracts will allow us to sign a solid FA. Add to that another 2013 top 5 Lottery pick and we unload contracts while rebuilding with younger players. In 2012-13 even with TT we still have roster spots open to fill with discards by other teams after this years training camps. And I really really hope Tracey MacGrady retires... We need to stay on tract with younger players.

[Liver_Pooty]

Without including a 1st, TT isn't going to be traded. That's just a fact.

Either that or you take back 2 players w/ bad contracts.

facts are things that have happened or will happen. what you did is called conjecture and cannot be equated with fact. I see why you're retired.