Idea for 2013: Switch back to the 4-3?

[JayMKE]

Von Miller probably would be a better fit in the 3-4

Well he's just a guy in the 4-3. I mean, he barely even makes an impact. Does anyone even know who that guy is?

Not being utilized to his utmost potential.

[Newz]

Not being utilized to his utmost potential.

Have you watched a Denver Bronco game recently? He looks like he's being utilized pretty damn well to me. He's one of the best and most impactful defensive players in the entire league.

Regardless, you clearly know what you are talking about though. I mean... Clay Matthews is "just a guy" in the 4-3. System superstar, IMO.

[JayMKE]

Well he's just a guy in the 4-3. I mean, he barely even makes an impact. Does anyone even know who that guy is?

Are you still arguing that we should switch to the 4-3 or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

I do think we should switch to the 4-3, yeah. I don't really think it's going to happen, but I think it'd be a better fit for the personnel we have.

except when it comes to our best defensive player and then you cut our 2nd best player on D

Do you really think Ted is going to go out and sign a bunch of FAs?

[JayMKE]

Not being utilized to his utmost potential.

Have you watched a Denver Bronco game recently? He looks like he's being utilized pretty damn well to me. He's one of the best and most impactful defensive players in the entire league.

Regardless, you clearly know what you are talking about though. I mean... Clay Matthews is "just a guy" in the 4-3. System superstar, IMO.

Because Von Miller is the same person as Clay Matthews. This is a stupid argument.

And just because he's playing well in his system doesn't mean he wouldn't be a better fit in the 3-4.

[Newz]

except when it comes to our best defensive player and then you cut our 2nd best player on D

What?

Do you really think Ted is going to go out and sign a bunch of FAs?

No. Hence why I said this is something I'd do and wanted peoples thoughts on it. Your thoughts are that Clay Matthews wouldn't be any good in a 4-3. Thank you for your opinion, I think you are very, very, very, VERY, VERY wrong.

[Newz]

Because Von Miller is the same person as Clay Matthews. This is a stupid argument.

And just because he's playing well in his system doesn't mean he wouldn't be a better fit in the 3-4.

I'm pretty sure you are the only person in all of life who thinks that Clay Matthews would be "just a guy" in any defensive system.

Von Miller is similar in skill set... they even continuously compared him to Matthews on draft day. That's why I brought him up, to show you a similar player could be dominant in the 4-3. How is that stupid?

[JayMKE]

except when it comes to our best defensive player and then you cut our 2nd best player on D

What?

Do you really think Ted is going to go out and sign a bunch of FAs?

No. Hence why I said this is something I'd do and wanted peoples thoughts on it. Your thoughts are that Clay Matthews wouldn't be any good in a 4-3. Thank you for your opinion, I think you are very, very, very, VERY, VERY wrong.

You asked whether or not our personnel would be a better fit for the 4-3. Clay Matthews is a much better fit in the 3-4. Clay benefits from playing in the 3-4 more than any of our players would benefit in the 4-3. Nick Perry, who would probably fit better as a 4-3 DE, hasn't even shown the ability to be an effective pass rusher. Raji has been an effective NT and I see no reason why he can't be one again.

I'm just saying it's a bad idea.

[Newz]

You asked whether or not our personnel would be a better fit for the 4-3. Clay Matthews is a much better fit in the 3-4. Clay benefits from playing in the 3-4 more than any of our players would benefit in the 4-3.

I think Clay Matthews would be equally good in just about any system. I still think he'd be racking up 10+ sack seasons and making plays all over the place.

Nick Perry, who would probably fit better as a 4-3 DE, hasn't even shown the ability to be an effective pass rusher.

Probably? Did you see him in coverage the first game?

Raji has been an effective NT and I see no reason why he can't be one again.

He sure has. I think he could be an effective DT in the 4-3 as well.

I'm just saying it's a bad idea.

I'm saying I disagree with you for the reasons I laid out before.

[JayMKE]

Clay is best at rushing the QB, in the 4-3 he would rush less and have to cover more. Woodson, who you want cut, is obviously a better fit in the 3-4 at this point.

If Perry can't make it as 3-4 pass rusher then I think we should just look at other options at that position.

What the team needs is just better personnel, it isn't the system it's the talent.

[jakecronus8]

I guess I don't understand the timing of the question. The defense just racked up 7 sacks and four picks against an offense that was absolutely dominant last week.

I think the only person on the defense that clearly becomes better in a 4-3 is Perry, but I'm not giving up on him as a 3-4 backer yet.

I also can't see them making such a huge philosophy change in the middle of their owl window.

[emunney]

I guess I don't understand the timing of the question. The defense just racked up 7 sacks and four picks against an offense that was absolutely dominant last week.

The thread was created before the Bears game.

I think this could work, but I think it'd be a two offseason transition.

[humanrefutation]

The questions we should ask before we talk about schemes is whether we're going to fire Capers and who we're going to hire in his place. Because, I don't see us switching back to the 4-3 while Capers is still our D Coordinator. And, the new coordinator should be hired based on their capacity for success, not based on whether they prefer the 4-3 or the 3-4.

[Matches Malone]

Clay Matthews and Von Miller in a 4-3 defense = Very damn good
Clay Matthews and Von Miller in a 3-4 defense = Unstoppable

Lets be honest here guys, both these players are studs no matter what system they are in, HOWEVER, their talents are better suited for a 3-4 and you would probably see better results from both of them in this scheme over a 4-3.

Still though, their great players no matter what scheme. So it doesn't really matter.

I personally love the 3-4 defense over the 4-3. I think it's just the lack of defensive back play making ability that needs to be adjusted. Last week against the Bears was a good indication that Perry's presence on the field is helping the pass rush, considering Clay had 3.5 sacks.

[Bucksfans1and2]

Problem with this theory: We spend 70% of the time in a Nickel anyway.

What's the difference between a 2-4 and a 4-2?