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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1141 » by 21shumpshumpst » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:04 am

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Oh I know you are trying to dig at felton. He is a career 13/7/2 to guy. That is counting the abomination of a season he had last year. Plus I have no delusion that Felton is a superstar.

He is an average pg who showed flashes in his time here under Dantoni. Sound familiar?


Lin showed flashes under Woodson. And yeah, his turnovers went down too. Working on your left hand is easy, bro. Derrick Rose never went left his first year. His defense was fine. Better than Felton's, actually.

And that's his floor. Instead we got a guy where that's his ceiling.


No you don't know that is his floor. That could very well be his ceiling. All I know is he excelled in a system that Felton also excelled at.

His turnovers went from horrible to just terrible under woodson. His shooting percentage plummeted. His assists went down as well.

You actually think Felton's D is worse than Lin? Wow. Ok you are entitled to your opinion.

That is the problem with you Lin fans. You think that he is just going to get exponentially better each year.

He showed flashes for 10 games or so. 10 freaking games.

Don't even compare Rose to Lin. Are you insane?

As far as Felton's ceiling shouldnt that be 17/9/4 with only 3 tos since that is what he averaged under the same system Lin excelled in? And he did it for 54 games. Not 10 or so.

Is 17/9 not good enough for you?
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Post#1142 » by Fury » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:08 am

His assists went down only because he played less minutes and we Isoed more.

Felton puts up a worse points per possession against than Lin did BY FAR. And with my own eyes Lin is a better defender. 2 for 2.

He didn't just show flashes for 10 freaking games. He had a good game against Cleveland, San Antonio, Milwaukee, good finish in Philly, Toronto, TWICE against Indiana, all this after "Linsanity". So I guess you can add that.

His turnovers went to under 4, between 3 and 4 which is fine for a young PG.

Yeah, I compared Rose to Lin. Wanna fight? Grow the **** up, these are basketball players and I compared one aspect of their game. Boo **** hoo.

Jeremy Lin will improve, he's a smart worker. He improved from year one to year two. At least there's potential. Felton's potential is done. No argument.

Jeremy Lin averaged 17/8 under D'Antoni AND Woodson when you factor in the minutes. Sorry brah, you're just wrong.
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Post#1143 » by 21shumpshumpst » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:22 am

Fury wrote:His assists went down only because he played less minutes and we Isoed more.

Felton puts up a worse points per possession against than Lin did BY FAR. And with my own eyes Lin is a better defender. 2 for 2.

He didn't just show flashes for 10 freaking games. He had a good game against Cleveland, San Antonio, Milwaukee, good finish in Philly, Toronto, TWICE against Indiana, all this after "Linsanity". So I guess you can add that.

His turnovers went to under 4, between 3 and 4 which is fine for a young PG.

Yeah, I compared Rose to Lin. Wanna fight? Grow the **** up, these are basketball players and I compared one aspect of their game. Boo **** hoo.

Jeremy Lin will improve, he's a smart worker. He improved from year one to year two. At least there's potential. Felton's potential is done. No argument.

Jeremy Lin averaged 17/8 under D'Antoni AND Woodson when you factor in the minutes. Sorry brah, you're just wrong.


I am wrong because you say so? Oh sorry bro you are wrong about that. See how that works?

When you factor in the minutes he averaged 17/8? Oh are you using per 36 that (Please Use More Appropriate Word) stat that doesn't take into account fatigue, other teams defensive schemes when players start playing more and being a bigger part of the offense. Oh that stupid stat? Oh got it.

Well when you factor the minutes that he didnt play Felton I am sure is averaging 20/10. I mean that is per 48. /Sarcasm.

No Lin averaged this in February for 14 games
35 mins 21/8 and 5 Tos and .472 for 14 games

In March
31 mins 15/6 and 4 Tos and .407 for 13 games

That is what he factually averaged. Not some fantasy world were everyone plays consistently the same for 36 minutes. And never gets fatigued and were defenses play the person the exact same for the whole 36 mins.

4 turnovers a game are not ok when you only average 6 assits. That is a 1.5 assist is abysmal. Mario Chalmers in comparison is at 1.58.

So for 14 games he was above average. For the last 13 he was below average. Sorry Brah you are wrong.
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Post#1144 » by Fury » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:24 am

Um, Felton averaged 19 and 8 or whatever in like 40 mins a game lol.

You do realize that Lin sat out in some blowouts we had? lol. It wasn't because he was tired. Did you watch the games?

This is sad.
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Post#1145 » by 21shumpshumpst » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:30 am

Fury wrote:Um, Felton averaged 19 and 8 or whatever in like 40 mins a game lol.

You do realize that Lin sat out in some blowouts we had? lol. It wasn't because he was tired. Did you watch the games?

This is sad.

You obviously have no clue what my post was about. Because at no point did I infer that Lin sat out games because he was tired.

This is sad that you would even bring it up due to your lack of understanding of my post.

Oh and that year with Felton he averaged 38mins a game.

Not 40. To put in perspective he almost sat out a full quarter while putting up 17/9 with a 2.7A/TO ratio. For 56 games not 14.
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1146 » by Fury » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:35 am

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Fury wrote:Um, Felton averaged 19 and 8 or whatever in like 40 mins a game lol.

You do realize that Lin sat out in some blowouts we had? lol. It wasn't because he was tired. Did you watch the games?

This is sad.

You obviously have no clue what my post was about. Because at no point did I infer that Lin sat out games because he was tired.

This is sad that you would even bring it up due to your lack of understanding of my post.

Oh and that year with Felton he averaged 38mins a game.

Not 40. To put in perspective he almost sat out a full quarter while putting up 17/9 with a 2.7A/TO ratio. For 56 games not 14.


So what you're insinuating is that if Jeremy Lin played 7 more minutes a game, he would have averaged 0 more? Even though they blew out the Cavs, Blazers (oh look Felton), Pacers, and Raptors, which skewed his numbers?

Look up Jeremy Lin's numbers when he played 38 minutes a game. Would he have done it the whole year? Probably not, but 17 and 9 from him with improving assist-turnover ratio in his 2nd year in the league compared to Felton who is who he is. Do you realize that Felton had mediocre numbers while playing 37 plus minutes with everyone other D'Antoni, yet Lin puts up similar numbers with Woodson playing nearly 10 less minutes? Come on.
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Post#1147 » by siar617 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:35 am

In the end Felton is a better fit for this team. So who really cares what Lin does. You guys act like we gave up a super star.
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Post#1148 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:02 am

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Quick Kick wrote:Ill take the guy with a ring and playoff experience who can keep the other guy from crossing halfcourt. Thanks for asking.


Oh wow he has playoff experience? Who did he lead to the playoffs? Darko got playoff experience.

Darko has 15 more playoff minutes than you do.

I saw your other question, and obviously I'd take Lin over Chalmers.

My point about Chalmers is that he performed when needed on the biggest stage.

That isn't all because Lebron is on the team, you still have to make the shots even if wide open.

and yes, he actually contributed to their finals series win.
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Post#1149 » by blumatic » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:26 am

You guys need to be careful with this Lin is star stuff. I think most of Lin's success was his novelty. No one knew how to game plan for the Knicks and no one knew how to game plan for him because every other week the line up would change. I think he is starting point guard material but he will never reach the stature of Chris Paul, Deron William , Nash or Rondo.

I think he will be a good point guard but not super star. He will be a good piece for a championship team in a few years. But he is not there yet and he wont win as the best player on the team (no point guard really does).

Felton is a good point guard not elite but good nonetheless. He's got game and I think people are really underestimating his talents. Many think it was a mistake for the Bobcats to let him go (they let go of Tyson). People thought Felton should have stayed in NY. With the Nuggets Ty Lawson was their guy. In Portland that whole team went to sh*t but Felton played really well toward the end of season (right after Nate got fired).
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Post#1150 » by knicksnyk » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:30 am

blumatic wrote:You guys need to be careful with this Lin is star stuff. I think most of Lin's success was his novelty. No one knew how to game plan for the Knicks and no one knew how to game plan for him because every other week the line up would change. I think he is starting point guard material but he will never reach the stature of Chris Paul, Deron William , Nash or Rondo.

I think he will be a good point guard but not super star. He will be a good piece for a championship team in a few years. But he is not there yet and he wont win as the best player on the team (no point guard really does).

Felton is a good point guard not elite but good nonetheless. He's got game and I think people are really underestimating his talents. Many think it was a mistake for the Bobcats to let him go (they let go of Tyson). People thought Felton should have stayed in NY. With the Nuggets Ty Lawson was their guy. In Portland that whole team went to sh*t but Felton played really well toward the end of season (right after Nate got fired).


that is a cop out. they game planed for him and the knicks. there were things they did solely to him and nobody else when he was on the floor. he played 25 games with the entire world talking about him teams game planned him. and felton isn't a good pg he is average at best and he is overweight which means he isn't working as hard on his craft in the off season as he should be. melo lost weight felton has no excuse. and people wanted feltons head on a platter when he was in NY ppl have forgotten.
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1151 » by Fury » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:35 am

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Quick Kick wrote:Ill take the guy with a ring and playoff experience who can keep the other guy from crossing halfcourt. Thanks for asking.


Oh wow he has playoff experience? Who did he lead to the playoffs? Darko got playoff experience.

Darko has 15 more playoff minutes than you do.

I saw your other question, and obviously I'd take Lin over Chalmers.

My point about Chalmers is that he performed when needed on the biggest stage.

That isn't all because Lebron is on the team, you still have to make the shots even if wide open.

and yes, he actually contributed to their finals series win.


:roll:

the rest of your post is fair, but seriously?
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1152 » by blumatic » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:45 am

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blumatic wrote:You guys need to be careful with this Lin is star stuff. I think most of Lin's success was his novelty. No one knew how to game plan for the Knicks and no one knew how to game plan for him because every other week the line up would change. I think he is starting point guard material but he will never reach the stature of Chris Paul, Deron William , Nash or Rondo.

I think he will be a good point guard but not super star. He will be a good piece for a championship team in a few years. But he is not there yet and he wont win as the best player on the team (no point guard really does).

Felton is a good point guard not elite but good nonetheless. He's got game and I think people are really underestimating his talents. Many think it was a mistake for the Bobcats to let him go (they let go of Tyson). People thought Felton should have stayed in NY. With the Nuggets Ty Lawson was their guy. In Portland that whole team went to sh*t but Felton played really well toward the end of season (right after Nate got fired).


that is a cop out. they game planed for him and the knicks. there were things they did solely to him and nobody else when he was on the floor. he played 25 games with the entire world talking about him teams game planned him. and felton isn't a good pg he is average at best and he is overweight which means he isn't working as hard on his craft in the off season as he should be. melo lost weight felton has no excuse. and people wanted feltons head on a platter when he was in NY ppl have forgotten.


This is not a cop out. I compliment both players. and set some reality to the situation. I wanted Lin to stay but Felton is a comparable point guard.

Lin is a good player but "Linsanity" was a novelty. Lin is capable guard but he is not star. He will be one just as Yao Ming was even though he will be more legitimate.

All I'm saying is Felton has game. He's fast, got handles and is a huge gamer. Felton is not average. He's solid point guard. Lin is still an unknown to me, but he has tremendous potential. No one know what kind of pg he is yet. He doesnt even know. But Felton knows his own game more than Lin knows his own. And that is a big factor no one talks about.
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1153 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:45 am

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Fury wrote:Oh wow he has playoff experience? Who did he lead to the playoffs? Darko got playoff experience.

Darko has 15 more playoff minutes than you do.

I saw your other question, and obviously I'd take Lin over Chalmers.

My point about Chalmers is that he performed when needed on the biggest stage.

That isn't all because Lebron is on the team, you still have to make the shots even if wide open.

and yes, he actually contributed to their finals series win.


:roll:

the rest of your post is fair, but seriously?

sarcasm sir.
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Post#1155 » by knicksnyk » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:57 am

Lol. they should just burn them. thank dolan for the loss of profit. didnt the vendors outside of msg say that they were selling at record highs when lin was playing over those 25 games. smh lin was sellig out indiana, minny games, toronto games. minnesota sold out for the first time when lin showed up lol. too funny.
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Post#1156 » by red32 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:05 am

knicksnyk wrote:Lol. they should just burn them. thank dolan for the loss of profit. didnt the vendors outside of msg say that they were selling at record highs when lin was playing over those 25 games. smh lin was sellig out indiana, minny games, toronto games. minnesota sold out for the first time when lin showed up lol. too funny.

Let's send a box to Dolan.
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Post#1157 » by blumatic » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:06 am

knicksnyk wrote:Lol. they should just burn them. thank dolan for the loss of profit. didnt the vendors outside of msg say that they were selling at record highs when lin was playing over those 25 games. smh lin was sellig out indiana, minny games, toronto games. minnesota sold out for the first time when lin showed up lol. too funny.


And they say Dolan only cares about making money.
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Post#1158 » by knicksnyk » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:09 am

blumatic wrote:
knicksnyk wrote:Lol. they should just burn them. thank dolan for the loss of profit. didnt the vendors outside of msg say that they were selling at record highs when lin was playing over those 25 games. smh lin was sellig out indiana, minny games, toronto games. minnesota sold out for the first time when lin showed up lol. too funny.


And they say Dolan only cares about making money.



that is all he cares about as long as u dont get on his wrong side. and he also doesnt care about winning either.
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Post#1159 » by CU_NY09 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:11 am

blumatic wrote:
knicksnyk wrote:Lol. they should just burn them. thank dolan for the loss of profit. didnt the vendors outside of msg say that they were selling at record highs when lin was playing over those 25 games. smh lin was sellig out indiana, minny games, toronto games. minnesota sold out for the first time when lin showed up lol. too funny.


And they say Dolan only cares about making money.


Actually, he's an emotional, egotistical chubby alcoholic that hasn't had a very successful track record as an owner. That's more disappointing than anything else.
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Post#1160 » by siar617 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:54 am

knicksnyk wrote:Lol. they should just burn them. thank dolan for the loss of profit. didnt the vendors outside of msg say that they were selling at record highs when lin was playing over those 25 games. smh lin was sellig out indiana, minny games, toronto games. minnesota sold out for the first time when lin showed up lol. too funny.

Why do you care if other teams sale out?

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